Political: Why is this ? (Poll related)

I agree that jrydberg's logic as to the results makes a lot of sense.

It is, a puzzling thing to poll.

Next we'll we hearing about poll results of presidential candidate preferences based upon the breed of dog or cat you own, the type of automobile you drive, or your favorite color!

(Edited to add - longtime passport holder who will be voting for Bush.)
 
Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
Hmmm....I'm not sure that the fact that I'm a passport holder really influences my decision to vote for Kerry, but it certainly is interesting to know!

Perhaps because world travelers (assuming that the people with their passports actually use their passports), having seen different cultures and countries, are more interested in maintaining good relations with said countries? Dunno.....just a thought!

Exactly my thoughts ::yes::
 
Jrydberg, that's an interesting theory, and a good point. I'm interested in knowing about the passport holders here (regardless of who they plan to vote for in the elections). As for me, I'm definitely a small town America kinda gal; got my first passport when I was 14, and lived on a farm (log cabin with running water & electricity, but with a wood stove as our only source of heat) in a town with a population less than 3,000 (my graduating class in high school had 69 students, an all-time high at the time, and our high school included 2 other towns). I currently work in a city (albeit a very small one--Portland, Maine) but live in a rural town (our 2 primary industries are dairy farming and lumber).

As to why the question was asked; I don't know how many people here have participated in polls, but I did one a few months ago, and it covered everything from what clothes detergent I used to what Nascar racers I preferred to what kinds of insurance I currently have. If you asked what they were polling about specifically, I wouldn't have a clue (I assume some of the polling items were red herrings, to keep people from guessing what they really wanted to know). So its possible that the passport and election questions were mixed in with all kinds of weird stuff. Who knows, maybe we'll also find out that most Kerry voters prefer Wonder bread, and Bush supporters like Smuckers jam.
 
If you take a look at the poll you will see they broke voters down into all kinds of categories. By age, by sex, by religion, by union affililiation etc. The passport numbers were just one set out of many.

Pollster John Zogby: “Kerry leads among all age groups except 30-49 year olds, where the two candidates are pretty much tied. Catholics give Kerry a 50%-37% edge – numbers more similar to Clinton’s leads in 1992 and 1996 than Al Gore’s 51% to 46% margin in 2000. Protestants are for Bush (57% to 33%), especially on the strength of the President’s 68% to 20% margin among Born Again Protestants.

“Voters with active passports prefer Kerry 58% to 35%, while those without a passport are for Bush 48% to 39%. Union voters give Kerry a 22 point advantage – 55% to 33%.

“The two candidates are in a dead heat among self-identified members of the investor class – Kerry 45% to Bush’s 44%. Bush won this group by double digits in 2000. Not only has this group shrunk from almost half of all voters to only 31%, but Bush is now tied among a group he will need for victory.

“Bush leads among men 46% to 43%, while Kerry leads among women 50% to 39%. Bush also leads among Northern Europeans 47% to 44% and Southern Europeans 52% to 47%. Kerry is ahead among Eastern Europeans 63% to 29%.

“Big city voters favor Kerry 58% to 36%, as do Suburban voters 49% to 41%, while small city voters are with Bush 52% to 38%. Bush leads Kerry among rural voters 42% to 39%.”
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=851
 

Interesting.

I have a passport, I'm not voting for either one of those clowns.

My husband, father and mother all have passports and are voting for Bush.

I have three cousins, two with spouses, all have passports (5 total people) four voting for Bush, one writing in Mickey Mouse, she says. ;)

We all live in close to heavily populated metropolitan areas, so I think the geography explanation seems more plausible to me.

I DO think there is a certain percentage of "liberal" folks that view themselves as more worldly and sophisticated than conservatives.
 
Since you chose to use quotations for the word "liberal", a word that hs been given a bad name lately, I thought I would share the following:

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too because his employer needs to offer competitive benefits to hire the best people.

Joe prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

Joe drives to work in one of the safest cars in the world because some liberal fought to raise safety standards and emission controls.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with good pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some Liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC up to $100,000 because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from greedy, unscrupulous bankers like the ones who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe needs to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican's might still be sitting in the dark!)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day)

Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".
 
Originally posted by bsears
Since you chose to use quotations for the word "liberal", a word that hs been given a bad name lately,

To a rabid liberal, "conservative" is a bad word, to a rabid conservative, "liberal" is a bad word. In my middle of the road, fairly libertarian opinion, extremisits on both sides of the political spectrum are cut from the same exact cloth so save your spin for someone else.
 
My goodness bsears, your post would lead one to believe there hadn't been a more "conservative" leader in the free world for the last 50 years!

Cheers to you, tonyswife. Well said. Extremism to either side of the spectrum is dangerous.
 
Originally posted by Galahad
I'd be just as incline to assume that Kerry voters wouldn't want to admit to not having a passport rather than assuming that they are somehow more worldly and cultured.

I agree with this. I have a passport and have traveled a lot. I am voting for Bush.

You know what I find interesting though? The Democrats/liberals often accuse Bush and other Republicans of being for the rich, of not caring about the poor, and the Democrats state they are the Party of the People; for the "working man".

It seems to me, though, that the more wealthy you are, the more likely you are to travel internationally.

Maybe the truth is that the Republicans ARE actually the Party of the People, and the Democrats just hide under that facade.
 
Originally posted by tonyswife
To a rabid liberal, "conservative" is a bad word, to a rabid conservative, "liberal" is a bad word. In my middle of the road, fairly libertarian opinion, extremisits on both sides of the political spectrum are cut from the same exact cloth so save your spin for someone else.

Very well said.

Richard
 
It was a joke guys...I thought that was obvious...sorry it flew over you, but thank you for your opinion all the same.
 
Originally posted by bsears
It was a joke guys...I thought that was obvious...sorry it flew over you, but thank you for your opinion all the same.


I didn't mean to come off harsh. :D

But, in all honestly, those issues are far more complicated than "a liberal fought for such and such so Joe can have blah blah..." as I'm sure you know.
 
Originally posted by bsears
Since you chose to use quotations for the word "liberal", a word that hs been given a bad name lately, I thought I would share the following:

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too because his employer needs to offer competitive benefits to hire the best people.

Joe prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

Joe drives to work in one of the safest cars in the world because some liberal fought to raise safety standards and emission controls.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with good pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some Liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC up to $100,000 because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from greedy, unscrupulous bankers like the ones who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe needs to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican's might still be sitting in the dark!)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day)

Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".

Oh my! Taking credit for all this? Unbelievable! What nerve, you have! I'm grateful to see someone calls you on it.

How about how union officials get paid exhorbitant sums and union members --some who don't even want to be union members--are forced to contribute financially to candidates and parties they may not wish to support?

How about the FDA delaying approval of medications due to lengthy bureaucratic processes when many people--who aren't going to be around for that approval process--want to take the medication experimentally although it's still not approved? They are not allowed to, however.

What about the widow living on a Social Security pittance, because he wasn't able to invest his retirement income privately?

Don't you realize that almost the same arguments could be said from the other side? That many corporations are able to give Joe a job because the Republicans fought for flexibility in marketplace?

That free trade gave Joe the ability to be able to purchase his food and clothing and other needs at an affordable cost?

Sure, your post becomes a joke only when you realize how flat it fell.
 
Originally posted by tonyswife
I didn't mean to come off harsh. :D

But, in all honestly, those issues are far more complicated than "a liberal fought for such and such so Joe can have blah blah..." as I'm sure you know.

Of course they are...that is why I thought it was obvious it was a joke.
 
Originally posted by tonyswife
To a rabid liberal, "conservative" is a bad word, to a rabid conservative, "liberal" is a bad word. In my middle of the road, fairly libertarian opinion, extremisits on both sides of the political spectrum are cut from the same exact cloth so save your spin for someone else.

I am a liberal. I don't mind conservatives at all, in fact I embrace
them as part of a well balanced system. It's the reactionaries
I dislike. Lots of reactionaries call themselves conservatives
when in fact they are not. They are much further to the right than
conservatives-in fact, all the way to the right. Libertarians consider themselves middle of the road when in fact, on the official political spectrum, they are a branch-not in the middle. Moderates are in the middle of the spectrum. This was what I learned in a government class when we studied the parties and how they fell on the political spectrum.

I know, thanks for my opinion.
 
I have an IQ above 2 digits, and I'm not voting for Bush. .

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
 
I think it falls more in line with the geographic theory. I grew up in NJ and got my first passport at, uh, 15? I went to England my junior year of HS, so whenever that was. Because my parents could afford to send me there. When we moved to Mississippi, I learned the HS there NEVER had an overseas exchange program, because the people couldn't afford it. Same with Oklahoma. (Both rural parts of the states.)

Also someone with a passport who will be voting for Pres Bush. ;) AND an IQ over two digits!
 
hmmmm. I have a passport. Interesting.
 
Some people do not fit in polls.:D

I do not have a passport, I live in the South, I am in the ages 30-49 age demographic, and I'm a protestant -- sounds like a perfect fit for a Bush vote, right? No way -- I'm voting for Kerry.
 












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