OK, I'll say it... we are too sensitive

Wow, I'm going to give you bonus points for digging that deep. I had zero clue about that.



By the early 90's, the Flyers would have been better off if Roseanne Barr sang and then suited up and went into goal. :rotfl2:

I recently re-watched the Multiple Maniacs DVD I received for Christmas so it was still sort of fresh in my mind.

Other than Ron Hextall, I don't remember who played goal in the early 90's, so I looked it up.

Ken Wregget
Pete Peeters (I don't remember him returning to the Flyers)
Dominic Roussel
Tommy Soderstrom
Stephane Bauregard

Yep, Rosanne Barr would have been an improvement.
 
We are arguing about a sporting event. I am not sure if they were officially the Phillies yet but did they not compete in a league that banned blacks till well into the forties maybe 50s. should they not show any phillies players in the areana. To minimize the overall lack of acceptance of blacks is in reality minimizing the poor journey these people had to go through.
 
No one is saying there are acceptable reasons to be racist. No one is defending anything. The simple fact of “it was a different world then” is what was said. And that is a true statement.

No one here (or at least I don’t think) is singing these songs now and saying “it’s ok because they were written in the 30’s”. Most sane people would not do that. It would be wrong. But you cannot pluck any person out of the 30’s and judge them by standards today. As a woman, I know that during that time there was treatment of women that I would be appalled at today but I don’t judge the ignorance of the men then by what I know now and what I Hope most men know now.

The 30’s were a hard time for everyone. If women worked they were accused of taking the jobs away from family men, if blacks moved from one area to another they too were thought to be taking jobs and resources. Whites would move out of their neighborhood if a black family moved in. They didn’t want to live by them, work with them or their kids to go to school with them. Separate schools, seperate water fountains, seperate everything. Were they right? No. Should they have known better? Yes. Why didn’t they? Because they were ignorant of the fact that the black family moving next door was no different than them.

There were extremes and the KKK and lynchings and all those horrible things. Those things are different and yes, they knew better and most people probably didn’t support such terrible actions. But that is a whole different type of racism than most here are talking about.

If we continue to judge the people in history by our standards today, what will be left of our history? If we remove every statue, every book, every song, every movie, etc that represents, honors, shows, or was made by someone in our history that showed any racism, sexism or any other ism, what will we have left exactly? Surely not the place that this very message board honors. Take a hard look at all the racist stereotypes in Disney films! And not just Song of the South by a long shot! There is a video on YouTube that shows all of the stereotypical/racist moments in Disney films. Take a look if you haven’t seen it. Many Asian and black stereotypes. And one thing said again and again, these films were a product of their time.

First off, thank you for taking a friendly tone.

I get that, I totally get what you're saying, but, when you all say that you can't judge because it was different then, what you're also saying is that they must have had good reason. They must have thought it was ok. No matter what the circumstance back then people knew that racism was wrong - therefore it was not accepted in society. And therefore the fact that it was a different time period doesn't change anything. It was wrong, even for the time, in the time. That, to me, makes logical sense. And it's racism - never ok, never acceptable, never defendable.


As far as other movies, monuments, etc., right now we're talking about racism, other isms are all their own story. And really? I don't know - I'd love it if they all came down, but yes, they do hold some importance to the history of this country - unlike a song or two. Those stories will still be in the history books, however. You may have to go to the library to read about them, but the stories won't go away. Movies, etc.. - it's hard to believe, I know, but I don't think that I have all the answers. I guess everything would have to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Aaaand about the Disney stuff - I've been going to WDW since 1972, and I guess I'm just a hypocrite! That's all I can say about that!


I will always say that there is no excuse for racism, no matter the time, no matter the type. I get that many of you disagree, but that's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And with that, I need sleep. Thank you again for being civil.
 

And you are entitled to your opinion.

As far as the fact that Paul Robeson sang it as well? I think of it this way: black people can say the "N" word, whites can't. If he wanted to sing that song, for whatever reason, that was up to him.

And I did comment on a post - one of yours, I think, where you said that if we had to get rid of Kate Smith's version of God Bless America, what about the memorials , monuments, whatever. My reply was that the song was a good start. If the monuments come down, so be it. It wouldn't bother me in the least.
I understand the social connotations for this, but the continued use of the word can perpetuate divisiveness when we're all supposed to be growing, learning, changing.

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/opin...cle_9a252472-401b-11e8-a1fc-3b56b728ab98.html
 
A lot of ppl do & that’s part of the reason they aren’t shown on TV anymore.
New episodes of Bugs Bunny (et al) stopped being produced in 2000 when Cartoon Network bought all the exidtongbones. They were actually going to air episodes late at night but "Initially the network planned to air the cartoons late at night with prominent disclaimers, explaining that the cartoons were representative of their time and should be viewed as historical records."

Three Stooges stopped producing new episodes when some of the Stooges passed away, not because of content. Shows still air in syndication and, I think, on one cable network.

Tom and Jerry, like Bugs Bunny, had a few racist episdes but "But what actually led to Tom & Jerry’s final ban was it's obsession with violence."
 
what you're also saying is that they must have had good reason. They must have thought it was ok.
No. Nobody here is claiming racism is okay, or that it was "okay". People are trying to explain that society was different then. You keep claiming people knew back then that racism is wrong.

Our Constitution counted blacks as 3/5 of a person for census purposes until the 1960s. Racism still exists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States and not just against black people. Yes, it's wrong - but you can't change the way a 30 years dead person thought or behaved80+ years ago.

Did anybody watch black*ish last night? "Dre's sister Rhonda takes Jack and Diane to her part of town in a black neighborhood and claims the twins are scared of their own community." Upper class black family won't visit Englewood.
 
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First off, thank you for taking a friendly tone.

I get that, I totally get what you're saying, but, when you all say that you can't judge because it was different then, what you're also saying is that they must have had good reason. They must have thought it was ok. No matter what the circumstance back then people knew that racism was wrong - therefore it was not accepted in society. And therefore the fact that it was a different time period doesn't change anything. It was wrong, even for the time, in the time. That, to me, makes logical sense. And it's racism - never ok, never acceptable, never defendable.


As far as other movies, monuments, etc., right now we're talking about racism, other isms are all their own story. And really? I don't know - I'd love it if they all came down, but yes, they do hold some importance to the history of this country - unlike a song or two. Those stories will still be in the history books, however. You may have to go to the library to read about them, but the stories won't go away. Movies, etc.. - it's hard to believe, I know, but I don't think that I have all the answers. I guess everything would have to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Aaaand about the Disney stuff - I've been going to WDW since 1972, and I guess I'm just a hypocrite! That's all I can say about that!


I will always say that there is no excuse for racism, no matter the time, no matter the type. I get that many of you disagree, but that's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And with that, I need sleep. Thank you again for being civil.

Lol on the hypocrite. I think we all can be when it comes to Disney. As fans, I think many of us just see the man and the company in a rosy light.

I understand what you are saying but I think it would be sad if so much of our history was only in museums or tucked away from the public eye. The Civil War, for instance, is a part of our history as is the time before it. Not the best part but still a part. Instead of just wily nily removing things, we need to learn more about the people. Learn about who it is we are trying to remove and maybe figure out if we are removing the right ones. Because honestly we don’t always get it right. Students need to understand that history and understand all the truths and ins and outs. Hiding it away isn’t changing it. And puts us in danger of repeating past mistakes. And honestly the whole truth isn’t necessarily even in the history books. The true horrors of slavery for instance. And the factory workers in the North (not comparing the two but I know I learned about them from the movie North and South). Stdents need to learn the plight of the immigrants that came across Ellis Island and how hard it really was.

Movies and music are a huge part of our history. Some of what is deemed offsensive and “hidden away” may hide away the talents of people we need to remember. I love Gone With the Wind but I know it’s not a true account of slavery and I could understand it being offensive but do we want to hide it away so that people no longer get see the talents of Hattie McDaniel who was the first black Oscar winner?
 
You know...I bet more ppl would be willing to look forward & stop looking at the atrocities of the past if things weren’t STILL happening.


There are always going to be problems...there will unfortunately will always be more problems, crimes, atrocities and unspeakable acts.... in some form or another, living in the past, dredging up or digging around in the past, and constantly bring it up, it only creates more problems for today... We have enough on our plates, without adding a portion of the past to it...

There is nothing that can be done about it... its the past.... what we can focus on is today and the future.... History is our past and the story has already been written and the ink has dried... What we can do is write a better story for today.... We are writing our children, grandchildren's and future generation history right now...

It's likes when you are having a discussion with your spouse or significant other, and you constantly bring up things that happened in the past...and keep on re-hashing it over and over, throwing well you did this or that 5 or 10 years ago instead of leaving it in past. When you should be dealing with the real issue or problem at hand right now....

There are all type of injustice's have that happened in the past... since the dawn of creation...and mankind...from when the written word began.... until right now.... The only way to change this is that we learn moving forward on what not what to do...
 
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I'm violating The Rule, but I want to address this:
I get that, I totally get what you're saying, but, when you all say that you can't judge because it was different then, what you're also saying is that they must have had good reason. They must have thought it was ok. No matter what the circumstance back then people knew that racism was wrong - therefore it was not accepted in society. And therefore the fact that it was a different time period doesn't change anything. It was wrong, even for the time, in the time. That, to me, makes logical sense. And it's racism - never ok, never acceptable, never defendable.

Of course, everyone knew that being racist was wrong. That was simple. The hard part was understanding what was and was not racist, and the standard for THAT differed widely, and to some extent still does.

I think that the root of the response that you are getting is that you are misunderstanding how "racist" was defined at the time. You are using a modern definition of racism/racist to define behaviors of a different era. At the time, the sort of "racist" that was universally recognized as wrong ALWAYS involved disdain and often involved violence. Everyone knew it was wrong to put black people down simply because of the color of their skin, or to say that they were all lazy, or stupid, or criminal, or sexually promiscuous because of the color of their skin. What was NOT considered racist at the time were such behaviors as imitation that was done in admiration (which believe it or not, actually included some blackface performances, especially those by Jolson), and portrayals that were meant to show nobility of spirit (which was allegedly the case with That Song). The Separate but Equal doctrine for schools was an example of this; even some progressive educators really thought that it was optimal to teach children in schools where racial tension and cultural differences would not be present, so long as they got the same resources as their white brethren. Also please note that at the time, "moral" standards in the West were not widely considered to apply universally to people who did not observe a monotheistic religious faith -- conventional wisdom in the West was that Morality grew only from Faith, and that if you did not believe in a single God, then you perforce had no true understanding of right and wrong, and that you were to be pitied for that. Eugenics had been considered real science, and was only just beginning to be discredited in the 1930's as a result of people questioning the motivations of the NSDP in Germany; the vast majority of middle-class Americans still thought that at least some of the principles of Eugenics probably had scientific merit.

The "good reason" that average people of the era had to believe all this was simple ignorance. Ignorance happens at all kinds of levels and the goalpost moves constantly as societies change their definition of what constitutes a basic education. Could whatever generation of great-grandmother of yours who was in her 30's in 1880 do algebra? If so, good for her, but if she couldn't, she was completely normal. Mine surely couldn't -- she couldn't read or write, either. She wasn't a stupid woman at all, but every bit of academic knowledge she had, she learned by oral instruction and rote memorization. Prayers, poetry, history, mathematics -- all in her head. (I know this because in my case she was my father's grandmother; he grew up living with her.) I can guarantee you that never in her life did she ever see a living black person, and it is probable that she never saw a photograph of one, either. Maybe a pencil drawing, but what is more likely is that she initially would not have believed anyone who told her that millions and millions of people around the world actually had very dark brown skin but were perfectly healthy, and that their bodies were EXACTLY the same on the inside except for the color of their skin and the texture of their hair.) When a two year old says, as mine did once, that "You and I are white, but Daddy isn't white. [long pause] He's pink" that isn't a racist thing to think or say; it's the simple logic of someone who doesn't know any better. For her, at the time, "colors" were colors, just like in a crayon box; she had no concept at the time that it isn't always that straightforward when the topic at hand isn't drawing. I know you don't want to believe it, but I was there in the Civil Rights era, and I can tell you: most behavior that we now identify as casual racism, or "microaggression" happened because the people who did it simply did not understand that what they were doing or saying could be considered racist. Remember that as late as 1940, more adults in the US had not finished high school than had, and the median number of years in school for all adult Americans did not actually reach 12 until 1966. (https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93442.pdf)

Racism, as average Americans understood it at the time, meant such things as openly casting character aspersions based solely on skin color, deliberately choosing not to associate with persons of a different race or anything that was popular with them, and believing that being white made you naturally superior to people who were not. Other things were far less clear. Here is a particularly good example: Refusing to swim in the same swimming pool as black people was clearly racist, but believing published scholarship that claimed that blacks have physiological differences that make swimming more difficult for them was not. Popular entertainment in the "minstrel show" vein was not widely considered malicious by whites until the 1960's; if you had never personally spoken to a black entertainer or read/heard an interview on the topic of blackface, odds are that you would not know how disrespectful and hurtful it seemed to them. We live in a world now where blacks have a media voice on every topic, but then that was not so, and unless you actually knew a black person, you probably would have no idea that much of what was considered "harmless fun" might be truly hurtful to them.

Which brings me full circle to the topic of the thread: the idea of being "too sensitive" has roots in a cultural acceptance of having fun at the expense of others. That is entrenched in western culture, and as can be seen on the topic of schoolyard bullying, a long way from being eliminated. Guys always ask why women don't appreciate the Stooges, and that's the clue: this all has roots in the male tradition of finding your place in the pecking order and staying in it. In any era or in any culture where men hold the vast majority of power, you find accepted practices where one group of people is expected to shut up and take whatever minor forms of abuse are dished out by those who have higher status. When channels of success are limited, only those who successfully pretend that it does not hurt are deemed strong enough to be allowed a shot at joining the dominant order. It isn't until technology widens those channels that those who refuse to play along can begin to really make themselves heard to a wider audience. After all, why do you have to throw in the world "harmless" if everyone knows that it's just fun?
 
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Wizard of Oz? Let's not forget that Dorothy fell in love with a scarecrow, a tin man, and a cowardly lion! :goodvibes :laughing: (Obviously her heart was open to everyone.)

I prefer this more accurate synopsis. ;)

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The "good reason" that average people of the era had to believe all this was simple ignorance. Ignorance happens at all kinds of levels and the goalpost moves constantly as societies change their definition of what constitutes a basic education.

I hadn't really replied to this thread because I couldn't figure out the right words to use. This is perfect - Ignorance is the right way to describe why my Grandma, who was born in 1926, didn't think she was being racist in the way she spoke about black people. That's all she ever knew growing up and had no one to teach her why that mindset was racist.

Your entire post was fantastic, but I just quoted the reason about ignorance because that was the main part I connected with. Thank you.
 
Lol on the hypocrite. I think we all can be when it comes to Disney. As fans, I think many of us just see the man and the company in a rosy light.

I understand what you are saying but I think it would be sad if so much of our history was only in museums or tucked away from the public eye. The Civil War, for instance, is a part of our history as is the time before it. Not the best part but still a part. Instead of just wily nily removing things, we need to learn more about the people. Learn about who it is we are trying to remove and maybe figure out if we are removing the right ones. Because honestly we don’t always get it right. Students need to understand that history and understand all the truths and ins and outs. Hiding it away isn’t changing it. And puts us in danger of repeating past mistakes. And honestly the whole truth isn’t necessarily even in the history books. The true horrors of slavery for instance. And the factory workers in the North (not comparing the two but I know I learned about them from the movie North and South). Stdents need to learn the plight of the immigrants that came across Ellis Island and how hard it really was.

Movies and music are a huge part of our history. Some of what is deemed offsensive and “hidden away” may hide away the talents of people we need to remember. I love Gone With the Wind but I know it’s not a true account of slavery and I could understand it being offensive but do we want to hide it away so that people no longer get see the talents of Hattie McDaniel who was the first black Oscar winner?


You make some very good points. As I said before, I think most would have to be looked at and dealt with individually. And certainly NEVER getting rid of "Gone With the Wind". It may not be an accurate representation of slavery at the time, but it certainly doesn't make it look pretty. Me personally, I am in favor of getting rid of the statues that are of people connected to slavery. The point of a statue is to honor someone, those people should not be honored. (My opinion :))


All of the important aspects of this country's history simply cannot be taught in schools. There isn't enough time. How it is decided what will be taught and what will be left out is, I think, determined at the state level. Unfortunately I guess it falls on the parents to supplement with what they want their children to know. Statues aren't going to fill that void.


So many on here keep speaking of finding the good in people. Well I see the good in those that knew, even in the 30's, that racism was wrong.


Edited to add: I remember a story from when I was a kid. My father was a racist. At a very young age I knew he didn't like black people (or Jewish people). At 4 (1967) I started kindergarten and my bus driver was a very sweet black man. I really loved him. I remember giving him hugs. I knew my father was wrong - I didn't have to be told he was wrong, even at 4/5 years old. Were there other outside forces that influenced me way back then? I don't know, maybe. But I remember very clearly knowing that he was wrong. That's all- just sharing a story.
 
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You make some very good points. As I said before, I think most would have to be looked at and dealt with individually. And certainly NEVER getting rid of "Gone With the Wind". It may not be an accurate representation of slavery at the time, but it certainly doesn't make it look pretty. Me personally, I am in favor of getting rid of the statues that are of people connected to slavery. The point of a statue is to honor someone, those people should not be honored. (My opinion :))


All of the important aspects of this country's history simply cannot be taught in schools. There isn't enough time. How it is decided what will be taught and what will be left out is, I think, determined at the state level. Unfortunately I guess it falls on the parents to supplement with what they want their children to know. Statues aren't going to fill that void.


So many on here keep speaking of finding the good in people. Well I see the good in those that knew, even in the 30's, that racism was wrong.

I can certainly understand the opinion of the statues. I don’t disagree with it completly. I just know that there are some that have been chosen to be removed and perhaps a bit more should have been looked at because that person was t as connected to slavery as say someone else whose statue is not removed. They have been removed based on the side they fought on not what they actually did in their life. And you are right, it’s not going to fill the history lesson void anyway. But it is a sticky subject for Southerners. And I get why. It is the history of the south. No one is proud of slavery or that part of it but when you have so many historic sites that are connected to that period of time, no one wants to see them gone. And I think that is the fear. That it will start with statues and move on the the beautiful homes or other sites.

I have a real problem with some of the voids in history books. I am sure a lot has changed since I took history in school but there are so many things I learned about through fiction. The factory workers from North and South, the internment camps for Americans Asians during WWII from a book by Danielle Steele.

What I know of the Korean and Vietnam wars, my Dad taught me. Actually he taught me a lot of things about history. Just about any historical site he would teach me the the real history. We have a local lake that was built by German POWs. So that lake brought up a lot of discussion about WWII.

With the removal of historical things, it doesn’t always give that opportunity to have those kind of conversations.

Part of my love of New Orleans is the history. To think that things could one day be removed because of the connection to the Civil War or before would be heartbreaking. I learn new things every time I visit, not from museums but from touring the city.

The removal of a statue, a site, a song or a movie could take those lessons away and we just can’t wipe away the history of this great country. Whether we are proud of that particular part of history or not, it’s important to remember.
 
wow 22 pages and the still going on and on , yawn...

so many very valid and interesting points of view countering the poster who must not be named.

Im not going to get yet into another back and forth, but I just wanted to add this bit of information.

Germany, a country which has some VERY questionable history during the 100 years has chosen NOT to wipe that history out. Yes Germans in 2019 are ashamed of their history BUT they say yes it happened and we never want it to happen again.

I used to live in Munich and during my time there I got to know German people from various parts of the country. I had a very interesting conversation with a girl whose family are from Berlin. The Berlin Wall was put up over night at the end of the street where her family lived. She told me her family stories about how heartbreaking it was to live in the city during that time, families torn apart. Now that the wall has gone, its not forgotten. At The Bradenburg Gate , there is a museum and you can buy a piece of the wall. There are many tours in Berlin, where you can walk in their footsteps and hear stories from both sides, East and West.It happened, but instead of hiding it, the Germans want to educate and honour those who died while making sure that another Berlin Wall will never be built again.

The same with the Concentration Camps of World War 2. One is located in a suburb of Munich, called Dachau. Again the Germans are not hiding this horrific time in their history. Like other Concentration Camps, it is open to the public and all the original buildings remain. You can literally walk in their footsteps, from the sleeping quarters to the "showers". Yes I have been there and its not a nice experience. However, Dachau is preserved to educate and honour those who died while making sure those atrocities never happen again.
 
wow 22 pages and the still going on and on , yawn...

so many very valid and interesting points of view countering the poster who must not be named.

Im not going to get yet into another back and forth, but I just wanted to add this bit of information.

Germany, a country which has some VERY questionable history during the 100 years has chosen NOT to wipe that history out. Yes Germans in 2019 are ashamed of their history BUT they say yes it happened and we never want it to happen again.

I used to live in Munich and during my time there I got to know German people from various parts of the country. I had a very interesting conversation with a girl whose family are from Berlin. The Berlin Wall was put up over night at the end of the street where her family lived. She told me her family stories about how heartbreaking it was to live in the city during that time, families torn apart. Now that the wall has gone, its not forgotten. At The Bradenburg Gate , there is a museum and you can buy a piece of the wall. There are many tours in Berlin, where you can walk in their footsteps and hear stories from both sides, East and West.It happened, but instead of hiding it, the Germans want to educate and honour those who died while making sure that another Berlin Wall will never be built again.

The same with the Concentration Camps of World War 2. One is located in a suburb of Munich, called Dachau. Again the Germans are not hiding this horrific time in their history. Like other Concentration Camps, it is open to the public and all the original buildings remain. You can literally walk in their footsteps, from the sleeping quarters to the "showers". Yes I have been there and its not a nice experience. However, Dachau is preserved to educate and honour those who died while making sure those atrocities never happen again.


You can name me, you're not going to hurt my feelings. Maybe you could be a little more respectful of other people with differing opinions from your own. luvsJack almost totally disagrees with me yet he/she was able to respond to me civilly. We could all learn from that.
 
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wow 22 pages and the still going on and on , yawn...

so many very valid and interesting points of view countering the poster who must not be named.

Im not going to get yet into another back and forth, but I just wanted to add this bit of information.

Germany, a country which has some VERY questionable history during the 100 years has chosen NOT to wipe that history out. Yes Germans in 2019 are ashamed of their history BUT they say yes it happened and we never want it to happen again.

I used to live in Munich and during my time there I got to know German people from various parts of the country. I had a very interesting conversation with a girl whose family are from Berlin. The Berlin Wall was put up over night at the end of the street where her family lived. She told me her family stories about how heartbreaking it was to live in the city during that time, families torn apart. Now that the wall has gone, its not forgotten. At The Bradenburg Gate , there is a museum and you can buy a piece of the wall. There are many tours in Berlin, where you can walk in their footsteps and hear stories from both sides, East and West.It happened, but instead of hiding it, the Germans want to educate and honour those who died while making sure that another Berlin Wall will never be built again.

The same with the Concentration Camps of World War 2. One is located in a suburb of Munich, called Dachau. Again the Germans are not hiding this horrific time in their history. Like other Concentration Camps, it is open to the public and all the original buildings remain. You can literally walk in their footsteps, from the sleeping quarters to the "showers". Yes I have been there and its not a nice experience. However, Dachau is preserved to educate and honour those who died while making sure those atrocities never happen again.

The difference between Germany and the US South is that Germany doesn't still have monuments to Nazis while the South is holding on to their Confederate monuments. I totally agree that you can't and shouldn't bury an ugly history (acknowledge it and learn from it), but it also shouldn't be glorified.
 
You make some very good points. As I said before, I think most would have to be looked at and dealt with individually. And certainly NEVER getting rid of "Gone With the Wind". It may not be an accurate representation of slavery at the time, but it certainly doesn't make it look pretty. Me personally, I am in favor of getting rid of the statues that are of people connected to slavery. The point of a statue is to honor someone, those people should not be honored. (My opinion :))


All of the important aspects of this country's history simply cannot be taught in schools. There isn't enough time. How it is decided what will be taught and what will be left out is, I think, determined at the state level. Unfortunately I guess it falls on the parents to supplement with what they want their children to know. Statues aren't going to fill that void.


So many on here keep speaking of finding the good in people. Well I see the good in those that knew, even in the 30's, that racism was wrong.


Edited to add: I remember a story from when I was a kid. My father was a racist. At a very young age I knew he didn't like black people (or Jewish people). At 4 (1967) I started kindergarten and my bus driver was a very sweet black man. I really loved him. I remember giving him hugs. I knew my father was wrong - I didn't have to be told he was wrong, even at 4/5 years old. Were there other outside forces that influenced me way back then? I don't know, maybe. But I remember very clearly knowing that he was wrong. That's all- just sharing a story.
Four year olds are not racists, it’s something that is learned. You realized your dad was wrong, because the rest of society didn’t feel the same way. However, 100 years ago, when there were separate schools, sections of the bus, and different laws for African Americans, kids grew up thinking that black people were inferior, because that’s what they lived.

I’m in my 50’s, and grew is in a very white town. I remember being around 5, and I said the N word in front of my dad (must’ve heard it at school). He was furious! He told me that only ignorant people used that word, and that I should never say it again. However, I had friends with racists parents (old school Italian), and it took them longer to realize their parents were wrong, but they did.
 

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