Obama's Aunt- she only get's one thread!

[bsnyder]

Bush doesn't want my money. Fine, he doesn't get it. Obama asks for more money... I support Obama, he will get my vote and he will get more of my money... happily. How is that hypocrisy?

How much more did you send to Bush to fund the war in Iraq? You have no problem asking me to fund the war although I was against it from day one. That war has cost us a heck of alot of money, which needs to come from somewhere. Surely the IRS would love to see you financial support for it. Or will you "only "step up to the plate" and put more money in the public trough when everyone else is forced to do so along with you."

I'm not the one advocating higher taxes for more government spending - you and your candidate are.

 

[dreamin_disney]

I've never met the vast majority of people on welfare yet the people on this board somehow feel that I should pay more taxes to support them and their not even family

let me tell you most illegals would work if they could. Most would take the jobs none of us want, like working in the hot dirty fields picking nice fruit and veggies so our families can eat, working in sweat shops sewing clothes for us etc.
I'm 1st generation of Mexican decent living here in USA. My mother and father were legal. I remember going at a young age with my family while they worked the fields, my mom also worked in an egg plant, chicken farm and factories. Growing up i learned to work hard and appriciate what i had.

As a teen working at a grocery store i saw people come in with jewlery, hair done and make up and a boyfriend waiting outside while the woman came in and cashed her welfare check and food stamps---- the majority of these people were not illegals(i could tell by their race and the english they spoke).

As an adult the people i see scaming the system arent illegals. Dont get me rong i'm sure many do but its just not them. I would drop off dd at daycare in the full pay class. I'd see many parents leaving the subsidize classroom(they get the government to pay most of the cost) and getting into their nice newer cars and SUV while i climbed into my lil old honda. Oneday i paid my bill $85 for 3 days parttime under 6 hours a day, well the lady gave another ladies reciept that was in line before me but walked off to get her running child, I looked at the bill $12 uuugh! I gave it back and said "I wished that was my bill. Another day i saw wife someone that was a friend of a friend of dfi and she was dropping her son off at the subsidize room. DFi told me her husband works for a major grocery store in the area and is a manager making excellant money, Plus she was working as a medical biller. He knew they were not sperated, DFI said she must have said she was single. BTW she had a very nice vechicle that was parked to my lil clunker.

I think welfare needs to through investigate people and do house visits because most of those people cheating the sysytem with nice house and nice cars arent illegals.


Just my opinion

 

[bsnyder]

Bsnyder, I'd be interested to know how it is that you possess the knowledge as to what others do with their free time? How is it that you "know" most people don't volunteer in our communities?

Who said anything about volunteering and free time?

We were talking about tax deductions.

 

[Tink&SquirtsMom]

I'm not the one advocating higher taxes for more government spending - you and your candidate are.

No, of course not. Your President just advocates out of control spending and provides no way to pay for it. Don't mind us silly hypocrits who actually want to fund their programs, and feel the need to pay back all the debt your guy ran up without a plan to pay back. Gosh, and here I thought the right was all about personal responsibility. It would seem to me that if you supported the causes that led to the most massive build up of debt our nation has seen, that you, someone who supports personal responsibility would want to contribute to help pay it down.

 

[bsnyder]

I don't think the "I am my brother's keeper" thing really applies. Yes this woman is family, his step-aunt but that doesn't mean BO should be obligated to pay her bills. I have extended family that can't pay their bills, doesn't mean I'm moving them into my home! I think BO's doing as much as he can do really. The law should be followed and she should leave, point blank. People trying to make this a smear on Obama are truly desperate at this point.

This is a totally different subject than the tax deduction thing, but I think it's important.

And I'm not saying it as a "smear" on Obama. It's more indicative of a societal mind set.

Only in the last 50 years or so (since the rise of the Welfare State) has this become the prevailaing attitude. It used to be that extended families, and communities were expected, and expected it of themselves, to take care of the needs of "the least among us".

Now it's some nameless, faceless beauracracy in Washington DC that we expect that of now. And they do a really, really crappy job of it. They waste an incredible amount of money, and they let people slip through the cracks - people who need help but don't get it, and people who are gaming the system who do.

 

[bsnyder]

No, of course not. Your President just advocates out of control spending and provides no way to pay for it. Don't mind us silly hypocrits who actually want to fund their programs, and feel the need to pay back all the debt your guy ran up without a plan to pay back. Gosh, and here I thought the right was all about personal responsibility. It would seem to me that if you supported the causes that led to the most massive build up of debt our nation has seen, that you, someone who supports personal responsibility would want to contribute to help pay it down.

I'm on the record here on the DIS as someone who's not overly concerned with the deficit. Because I recognize that the absolute number that the media and the Democrats use (because it's a BIG SCARY number) isn't nearly as important as the % of GDP number, and that percentage has been lower during the Bush Administration than it was during the Clinton Administration.

But again, what does that have to do with tax deductions?

 

[Tink&SquirtsMom]

I'm on the record here on the DIS as someone who's not overly concerned with the deficit. Because I recognize that the absolute number that the media and the Democrats use (because it's a BIG SCARY number) isn't nearly as important as the % of GDP number, and that percentage has been lower during the Bush Administration than it was during the Clinton Administration.

But again, what does that have to do with tax deductions?

And what do tax deductions have to do with Obama's aunt?

Have a great day, B. I'm off to go apple picking.

 

[OceanAnnie]

No, of course not. Your President just advocates out of control spending and provides no way to pay for it. Don't mind us silly hypocrits who actually want to fund their programs, and feel the need to pay back all the debt your guy ran up without a plan to pay back. Gosh, and here I thought the right was all about personal responsibility. It would seem to me that if you supported the causes that led to the most massive build up of debt our nation has seen, that you, someone who supports personal responsibility would want to contribute to help pay it down.

How is Obama going to pay for his trillion dollar spending package?

 

[bsnyder]

And what do tax deductions have to do with Obama's aunt?

Have a great day, B. I'm off to go apple picking.

Have fun!

 

[bsnyder]

How is Obama going to pay for his trillion dollar spending package?

By running a deficit.

But that will be okay, because the MSM will start using the % of GDP number, instead of the BIG SCARY absolute number and they'll explain that deficit spending really isn't that bad after all.

 

[HumanLegs]

This is a totally different subject than the tax deduction thing, but I think it's important.

And I'm not saying it as a "smear" on Obama. It's more indicative of a societal mind set.

Only in the last 50 years or so (since the rise of the Welfare State) has this become the prevailaing attitude. It used to be that extended families, and communities were expected, and expected it of themselves, to take care of the needs of "the least among us".

Now it's some nameless, faceless beauracracy in Washington DC that we expect that of now. And they do a really, really crappy job of it. They waste an incredible amount of money, and they let people slip through the cracks - people who need help but don't get it, and people who are gaming the system who do.

You're right about my previous post. I misunderstood. I apologize. However if BO's aunt is breaking the law by staying here I agree with BO in saying the law should be upheld. Also I think especially now with alot of people barely scraping by it would be almost impossible to take care of ALL of our extended families not to mention any half, step, or twice removed relatives. Since we don't have alot of money I donate my time. I figure if someone in my family has fallen on tough times like alot of us have I'll help them not with monetary donations but I'll give my time. I'll help them mow lawns, or shovel snow, things like that.

 

[bicker]

For all the money Obama has put into his campaign, he hasn't sealed the deal.

Of course he has. :shrug: I think perhaps people are confused about something: Money doesn't buy votes: It gets the message out so people can make their decisions based on seeing the candidate actually tell them what their plan is, rather than having some distorted view of it projected onto them by the candidate's opponent. And Obama is presenting a far greater percentage of positive ads than McCain... McCain's ads seem almost completely negative.

I think you're confusing disagreement with "intolerance".

Disagreement doesn't involve changing the law to impose your own beliefs and values on others; that's intolerance -- the inability to live in accordance with your own beliefs and let others live in accordance with their beliefs.

 

[minnie61650]

Will you forgo any tax breaks afforded to you under the tax laws if Obama becomes President?

I take only the standard charitable deduction. I do NOT take the full amount I am entitled to.

Why does matter? What difference does it make? What is it anyone's business? I am fully within my rights if I want to give certain charities anonymously.

Edited to add the word NOT.
Sorry,I have dyslexia and I sometimes leave a word out when I am typing a sentence.

 

[just4today]

Disagreement doesn't involve changing the law to impose your own beliefs and values on others; that's intolerance -- the inability to live in accordance with your own beliefs and let others live in accordance with their beliefs.

No matter how the law is written, somebody's beliefs and values will be imposed upon somebody else.

 

[bsnyder]

Of course he has. :shrug: I think perhaps people are confused about something: Money doesn't buy votes:

Please, tell us another!!!

 

[bicker]

No matter how the law is written, somebody's beliefs and values will be imposed upon somebody else.

Generally, that isn't the way honorable leaders work: Rather, they use the law to impose a "consensus" perspective, not "somebody's" perspective. It is intolerance to impose one's own perspective on others. It is leadership to craft a consensus. McCain/Palin seems disinclined to bother with such matters of honor. Obama/Biden builds their whole message on such matters of honor.

 

[bicker]

I'm not sure I speak smiley very well. I hope that made sense.

 

[just4today]

Obama/Biden builds their whole message on such matters of honor.

Uh huh.

 

[bicker]

Indeed.

 

[Barbossa]

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