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I was just reading the McCain thread and I just kept shaking my head. They all want to vote for him because the Dems will raise their taxes, they all must be in the top 2% because they are the ones who benefited from Bush's tax cuts. Do they just want the National Debt to grow larger? The war in Iraq to be never ending? More jobs sent overseas? I think they are all delusional.

They are so scared of Obama being elected. I hope when he is they will have the same feeling I have had for 7 years of Bush. The big difference is that the country will be so much better after Obama has cleaned up the mess Bush had made of it.

Maybe if you send them to an interview that says Obama says he will raise taxes only for the top 2% they will listen... NAH... won't work.

Let our great grandchildren worry about the 9 trillion dollars plus more to come in the near future, added with the greatest recession coming in about 2010, that'll make em a lot more happy...
 
She needs to switch from entering to the Rocky theme to Lies, lies, lies..yeah by the Thompson Twins.

In Oregon, Clinton Makes False Claim About Her Iraq Record Vs. Obama's
In Eugene, Ore., Saturday. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. (A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 vote to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war.) She claimed that using that measure, she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.

But Clinton's claim was false.

Clinton on Saturday told Oregonians, "when Sen. Obama came to the Senate he and I have voted exactly the same except for one vote. And that happens to be the facts. We both voted against early deadlines. I actually starting criticizing the war in Iraq before he did."

It's an odd way to measure opposition to the war -- comparing who gave the first criticism of the war in Iraq starting in January 2005, ignoring Obama's opposition to the war throughout 2003 and 2004. (And Clinton's vote for it.)

But even if one were to employ this "Start Counting in January 2005" measurement, Clinton did not criticize the war in Iraq first.

Scrambling to support their boss's claim, Clinton campaign officials pointed to a paper statement Clinton issued on Jan. 26, 2005, explaining her vote to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State.

"The Administration and Defense Department's Iraq policy has been, by any reasonable measure, riddled with errors, misstatements and misjudgments," the January 2005 Clinton statement said. "From the beginning of the Iraqi war, we were inadequately prepared for the aftermath of the invasion with too few troops and an inadequate plan to stabilize Iraq."

But Obama offered criticisms of the war in Iraq eight days before that, directly to Rice, in his very first meeting as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Jan. 18.

Obama pushed Rice on her answers to previous questioners regarding the effectiveness of Iraqi troops, and he criticized the administration for conveying a never-ending commitment to a US troop presence in Iraq.

"I am concerned about this notion that was pursued by Senator Biden and others that we've made significant progress in training troops," Obama told Rice "Because it seems to me that in your response to Senator Alexander that we will not be able to get our troops out absent the Iraqi forces being able to secure their own country, or at least this administration would not be willing to define success in the absence of such security. I never got quite a clear answer to Senator Biden's question as to how many troops -- Iraqi troops -- don't just have a uniform and aren't just drawing a paycheck, but are effective enough and committed enough that we would willingly have our own troops fighting side-by- side with them. The number of 120,000 you gave, I suspect, does not meet those fairly stringent criteria that Senator Biden was alluding to. I just want to make sure, on the record, that you give me some sense of where we're at now."

Obama concluded his brief q&a by saying "if our measure is bring our troops home and success is measured by whether Iraqis can secure their own circumstances, and if our best troops in the world are having trouble controlling the situation with 150,000 or so, it sounds like we've got a long way to go. And I think part of what the American people are going to need is some certainty, not an absolute timetable, but a little more certainty than is being provided, because right now, it appears to be an entirely open-ended commitment."

The misrepresentation of the record is symbolic of the re-writing of history Clinton has attempted on her record regarding the war in Iraq.

Because the larger context is more important. And Clinton's written criticism of the war in a press statement in January 2005 received little attention compared to the press surrounding her trip to Iraq the next month, in February 2005.

Upon returning she argued that setting a deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops would aid the enemy.

“I don’t think it’s useful to set a deadline because I think it sends a signal to the terrorists and the insurgents that they just have to wait us out,” she said.

Describing her trip to Iraq, she said, "It’s regrettable that the security needs have increased so much. On the other hand, I think you can look at the country as a whole and see that there are many parts of Iraq that are functioning quite well."

She also interpreted a series of suicide bomb attacks as an indication that the insurgency was failing.

“The concerted effort to disrupt the elections was an abject failure," she said. "Not one polling place was shut down or overrun. The fact that you have these suicide bombers now, wreaking such hatred and violence while people pray, is to me, an indication of their failure.”

In an interview with NBC's Meet the Press on Feb. 20, 2005, Clinton said that withdrawing some troops or setting a date for withdrawal would be a "mistake."

"I don't believe we should tie our hands or the hands of the new Iraqi government," Clinton said. "We don't want to send a signal to the insurgents, to the terrorists that we are going to be out of here at some, you know, date certain."

"We have just finished meeting with the current prime minister, the deputy prime minister and the finance minister, and in our meetings, we posed the question to each of them as to whether they believed that we should set a firm deadline for the withdrawal of American troops," Clinton said. "To a person, and they are of different political parties in this election, but each of them said that would be a big mistake, that we needed to make clear that there is a transition now going on to the Iraqi government. When it is formed, which we hope will be shortly, it will assume responsibility for much of the security, with the assistance and cooperation of the coalition forces, primarily U.S. forces."

Clinton said that "what the American people need to know is, number one, we are very proud of our young men and women who are here," and second, "there can be no doubt that it is not in America's interests for the Iraqi government, the experiment in freedom and democracy, to fail. So I hope that Americans understand that and that we will have as united a front as is possible in our country at this time to keep our troops safe, make sure they have everything they need and try to support this new Iraqi government."

She soon told New York Daily News editors and reporters that it was important for Democrats to combat the idea that they're soft on national security issues like Iraq.

"If you can't persuade a majority of people that you're going to be strong and tough where we need to protect America and our [national] interests, you can't cross the [electoral] threshold," she said.

That same month, while Clinton was talking up the need for Democrats to project strength, and claiming a withdrawal deadline would be sending a signal to the terrorists, Obama was meeting with his constituents, sounding quite skeptical about the war and reiterating his opposition to the decision to go to war to begin with.

The Bloomington, Ill., Pantagraph reported that during a town hall meeting, asked about the Iraq war, "Obama said poor planning by the Bush administration has left Iraq woefully incapable of handling its own security. He expressed hope that more intensive training will be provided for Iraqi forces, saying such measures could allow most American troops to return home next year. While Obama said the recent Iraqi election is an encouraging sign for democracy, he questioned Bush’s rationale for the Iraq invasion. ’I didn’t see the weapons of mass destruction at the time, I didn’t think there was an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein.'"

Clinton made this latest questionable claim the same day that she came under fire for repeatedly telling a story that turned out not to be true about a poor pregnant woman losing her baby and her own life after being denied hospital treatment because she couldn't afford a $100 fee. The New York Times discovered that the woman in question was never denied treatment, and that she did have insurance. “We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” said a representative of the hospital.

The Clinton campaign said that the senator had been told the story by a sheriff's deputy, and had not been able to fully check its accuracy. "We did try but were not able to fully vet it,” Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said. “If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that."

This latest incident also comes less than two weeks after Clinton had to back off a description of a plane landing during a 1996 trip to Bosnia that she had claimed was under sniper fire. Video evidence surfaced proving that claim false and Clinton admitted that she "misspoke."
 
This made my jaw drop! Granted the money the foundation gave away may be to wonderful causes but I just don't like how it sounds.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/clintons-charitable-contr_n_95216.html

The New York Times notes that most of the Clinton's charitable contributions went to their own foundation, which has yet to give away much of the money:

...During that time, the Clintons paid $33.8 million in federal taxes and claimed deductions for $10.2 million in charitable contributions. The contributions went to a family foundation run by the Clintons that has given away only about half of the money they put into it, and most of that was last year, after Mrs. Clinton declared her candidacy. :eek:
 

Just checking in :)

I have started volunteering my time as a graphic designer, marketer, and translator to the campaign in Puerto Rico (which with the exception of translator, is what I did for the much smaller USVI campaign back in February), and I'm putting up campaign 4 Obama camp volunteers from the mainland US in my house in San Juan as my donation.

The PR primary is Jun 1, and although I have exhausted my vote by voting in democrats abroad, I'm still helping with what I can.
 
This made my jaw drop! Granted the money the foundation gave away may be to wonderful causes but I just don't like how it sounds.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/clintons-charitable-contr_n_95216.html

The New York Times notes that most of the Clinton's charitable contributions went to their own foundation, which has yet to give away much of the money:

...During that time, the Clintons paid $33.8 million in federal taxes and claimed deductions for $10.2 million in charitable contributions. The contributions went to a family foundation run by the Clintons that has given away only about half of the money they put into it, and most of that was last year, after Mrs. Clinton declared her candidacy. :eek:

Makes that Charitable donation look a little on the odd side doesn't it, can't really comment other than that....

Just noticed Mark Penn is leaving the Clinton campaign, suppose they had to do that prior to the Monday news cycle....
 
Just checking in :)

I have started volunteering my time as a graphic designer, marketer, and translator to the campaign in Puerto Rico (which with the exception of translator, is what I did for the much smaller USVI campaign back in February), and I'm putting up campaign 4 Obama camp volunteers from the mainland US in my house in San Juan as my donation.

The PR primary is Jun 1, and although I have exhausted my vote by voting in democrats abroad, I'm still helping with what I can.

Excellent, thank you for the efforts!!! Have you spoken to many in PR regarding the primary?
 
Hmmm....Sounds like Mark is being demoted.
Clinton Chief Strategist Stepping Down
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/clinton-chief-s.html

(Chris-I just noticed you mentioned this-sorry for the duplicate.)

It's tough when you lose two sources of income in one weekend one must admit :scared: How anyone can lobby for sending jobs to Columbia is WAY beyond me....

Wait, no wait, he hasn't entirely lost his source of income... He's a consultant not a strategist now

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/06/clinton.campaign/index.html

"Mark Penn and his political consulting firm will continue advise the New York senator's Democratic presidential bid, but Penn will give up his job as chief strategist, campaign manager Maggie Williams said."
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But Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell -- a key Clinton backer in his state's April 22 primary -- suggested Sunday that Penn needed to go.

"I think you've got to make it very clear for someone who is a consultant, who you are representing and who you are not representing, and I would hope that Mr. Penn, when he talked to the Colombians, made that clear. And it doesn't sound to me like he did, and that's something the campaign should take into question," Rendell told NBC's "Meet the Press."

Sources in the Clinton campaign said that Penn realized this weekend that he needed to step aside, and that Clinton was disappointed that he had met with the Colombians.
 
Excellent, thank you for the efforts!!! Have you spoken to many in PR regarding the primary?
Yup :)

I'm flying between the BVI and SJU almost daily now (out of pocket BTW... I'm doing this because I believe, no other reason. Fortunately, I've been able to convince one of the local air taxies based in PR to give me a cheap fare), and will be sleeping in SJ quite a bit until June 1 :) Wednesday we're having an Obama happy hour for Generation Obama - Puerto Rico, and I plan on attending. This week we're rallying the universities in PR... we've gotten support from the pro-statehood party (PNP, Republican Aligned), the pro-commonwealth party (PDP, Democrat aligned), and the Pro-Puerto Rico (libertarian) parties and their officers, as well as the local Democrat Youth and Republican Youth.

So far so good, what we need to work on here is name recognition for Obama. We're translating a TON of his work into Spanish and a lot of Spanish speaking volunteers from the mainland are flying down. Also, the political environment is very different here than what you're accustomed to in the US, namely handouts (lots of plastic flags have to be printed, buttons, stickers, even possibly front license plates) and we need to move to a ground floor storefront style HQ in an urban residential area (we're presently on the 9th floor of a high rise in the financial district of SJ).

But definitely name recognition is our largest difficulty.
 
Yup :)

I'm flying between the BVI and SJU almost daily now (out of pocket BTW... I'm doing this because I believe, no other reason. Fortunately, I've been able to convince one of the local air taxies based in PR to give me a cheap fare), and will be sleeping in SJ quite a bit until June 1 :) Wednesday we're having an Obama happy hour for Generation Obama - Puerto Rico, and I plan on attending. This week we're rallying the universities in PR... we've gotten support from the pro-statehood party (PNP, Republican Aligned), the pro-commonwealth party (PDP, Democrat aligned), and the Pro-Puerto Rico (libertarian) parties and their officers, as well as the local Democrat Youth and Republican Youth.

So far so good, what we need to work on here is name recognition for Obama. We're translating a TON of his work into Spanish and a lot of Spanish speaking volunteers from the mainland are flying down. Also, the political environment is very different here than what you're accustomed to in the US, namely handouts (lots of plastic flags have to be printed, buttons, stickers, even possibly front license plates) and we need to move to a ground floor storefront style HQ in an urban residential area (we're presently on the 9th floor of a high rise in the financial district of SJ).

But definitely name recognition is our largest difficulty.

Sounds like you are very well underway! Is the campaign not able to get a ground floor HQ? I know in our state they were ground floor.... Name recognition is a hard hurdle to fight, but it is worth the fight.

Good for you getting the discounted rate on the air taxi! How long does it take you for the flight?

Have fun on Wednesday, the events can be quite fun :thumbsup2 I know we had a lot of students here, they were a blast (I'm no longer a college student :rotfl2: )
 
Makes that Charitable donation look a little on the odd side doesn't it, can't really comment other than that....

Just noticed Mark Penn is leaving the Clinton campaign, suppose they had to do that prior to the Monday news cycle....


Sorry, didn't see your post. More chaos in Hillary's camp.
 
She wants to include the MI votes in her popular vote in the latest goalpost move. :laughing: She's delusional.
 
Mark Penn has resigned as Hillary Clinton's top strategist! http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN0644500120080407

He's a consultant not a strategist now (big difference right? still affiliated), this is the newest "World of Hillary", can't have him as a strategist, but can still use him as a consultant :rolleyes1

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/...ign/index.html

"Mark Penn and his political consulting firm will continue advise the New York senator's Democratic presidential bid, but Penn will give up his job as chief strategist, campaign manager Maggie Williams said."
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But Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell -- a key Clinton backer in his state's April 22 primary -- suggested Sunday that Penn needed to go.

"I think you've got to make it very clear for someone who is a consultant, who you are representing and who you are not representing, and I would hope that Mr. Penn, when he talked to the Colombians, made that clear. And it doesn't sound to me like he did, and that's something the campaign should take into question," Rendell told NBC's "Meet the Press."

Sources in the Clinton campaign said that Penn realized this weekend that he needed to step aside, and that Clinton was disappointed that he had met with the Colombians.
 
Sounds like you are very well underway! Is the campaign not able to get a ground floor HQ? I know in our state they were ground floor.... Name recognition is a hard hurdle to fight, but it is worth the fight.

Good for you getting the discounted rate on the air taxi! How long does it take you for the flight?

Have fun on Wednesday, the events can be quite fun :thumbsup2 I know we had a lot of students here, they were a blast (I'm no longer a college student :rotfl2: )
We were able to get a ground floor HQ, but not at a good price and not ASAP... we were able to secure the 9th floor for cheap and immediately, so we took it on a month by month basis.

The air taxi is costing me $32 each way (when it's normally over $100 each way), since the pilot is a friend of mine and a supporter of the Obama campaign. The flight is 75 minutes with a headwind if I land at SJU, 45-60 with a tailwind if I land at SIG.

By the end of the month though, I'll be in San Juan full time, telecommuting for my paid work in Tortola and doing full time freebie work for the campaign.

Students... I can hardly wait. I'm a grad student myself. Right now, we're also scouring the 4 law schools in Puerto Rico for the Young Lawyers for Obama group... namely to make sure that voters rights are protected once at the precincts come June 1.
 
Just thought of a good tagline for Penn and Clinton:

Marc Penn's message wasn't ready on day one. :lmao:
 
Mark Penn has resigned as Hillary Clinton's top strategist! http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN0644500120080407

Good riddance to bad rubbish! It's people like Penn that may cause people like me to drop out of the Democratic party.

Just thought of a good tagline for Penn and Clinton:

Marc Penn's message wasn't ready on day one. :lmao:

...or day two...or day three...or day four...or.....

:lmao:

Did you see Shrillary on the Tonight Show last week, joking about coming under sniper fire? Was it just me, or was anybody else startlingly reminded of Shrub looking under the chairs for WMD's at the White House correspondents dinner? :sad2:
 
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