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[chris1gill]

CNN is having a rather interesting round table at the moment.... From a black person's perspective (Roland Martin), David Gergen's who seems schooled on the different experiences people have encountered here, and Tony Perkins who has yet to say much...

I'd be curious in seeing the new pastor speak.... He did say what they had done was taken so many years/hours/minutes and pulled it down to these X number of minutes after looking through many sermons... so it's curious...

It's Rod Parsley who is McCain's spiritual leader, I heard him speak earlier, he's nuts

 

[Reflection]

AC360 now focusing on McCain and his 'spiritual' supporters--Parlsey and Hagee but no where near the same focus as that on Wright.

 

[lilyv]

Looks like some reporters are doing a little fact checking, although I realize the ex-pastor makes for more interesting sound bites. Still...I like the truth. I've never figured out how she thinks she's qualified due to previous "experience" as a first lady. She had absolutely no (not even a minimal) security clearance.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/123121

Factcheck.org: Hillary's Adventures Abroad
We find some exaggerations in Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience.

"Clinton has repeatedly referenced her "dangerous" trip to Bosnia. She fails to mention, however, that the Bosnian war had officially ended three months before her visit – or that she made the trip with her 16-year-old daughter and two entertainers."
"We note, first, that Clinton's claim that the refugee camp was "on the edge of a war zone" gives an exaggerated picture of the risk involved. Traveling to the Kosovo border was more dangerous than remaining in Washington, and the trip did involve some risk. But Clinton did not land in the middle of an active combat zone, and the risks that she did take were not exceptional: Prior visitors to the refugee camp included Richard Gere and Bianca Jagger. For that matter, much of the "war" in Kosovo consisted of NATO airstrikes against the Yugoslav troops who had forced thousands of ethnic Albanians to flee Kosovo, and the nearest NATO ground troops were deployed in Albania, more than 100 miles away from Clinton."

 

[va32h]

I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Oh man. Maybe Obama is too innocent to be president. Americans have already judged him on the basis of an easily disproven email.

 

[NewJersey]

I can't even post on the thread discussing this issue anymore because apparently it is now about "neener-neener" instead of an actual discussion.

Sorry for my bitterness this evening, I'm just frustrated right now.

I went out to a friend's around 930 so the last posts I saw were a couple of people laughing about which "byebye" chant they'd like to sing to Obama. I figured that was beyond the end of any rationale discussion. Let them lick their chops for a few more days until the media has something else to latch onto.

 

[NewJersey]

Did you see Senator Obama's interview on Countdown with Keith Olbermann? If not please find it. He said something that really clicked with me. I'm not as old at the Rev but Obama's comments about the different viewpoints of the different generations made sense.

I commented on the same thing but don't know if it was the Pastor-gate thread or the Liberal thread. I really liked that comment and it made a lot of sense.

 

[NewJersey]

The LA Times, the Baltimore Sun, CBS News.com, and, unsurprisingly, Fox News, also got into the act, drawing attention to [the Rev. Jeremiah] Wright’s controversial remarks, and in some cases to his history of similarly inflammatory rhetoric.

Meanwhile, John McCain has a Christian ally of his own. At a rally in late February, McCain appeared with Rod Parsley, the pastor of an Ohio mega-church, and called him a "spiritual guide."

Parsley has his own history of controversial statements. As David Corn reported this week for Mother Jones, Parsley has called for Christians to wage war against the "false religion" of Islam, in order to destroy it. He does not distinguish between Islamic extremists and ordinary Muslims. "What some call ‘extremists’ are instead mainstream believers who are drawing from the well at the very heart of Islam," he has written.

And it’s not just Muslims he’s got it in for. Last year, Parsley’s organization called for people who commit adultery to be prosecuted, and in January he compared Planned Parenthood to the Nazis.

But the press has largely shrugged off the Parsley story. I couldn’t find one mainstream American news outlet that has so much as mentioned Parsley’s extremist views since McCain appeared publicly with him in late February.

I wonder if the media will pick up on this.

 

[NewJersey]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/pelosis-delegat.html

Pelosi says the superdelegates choice will be the pledged delegate winner.

 

[Honu]

He did kick him to the curb.

He didn't cut ties though, and he needs to. America is not going to accept Uncle "God Damn America" Jeremiah being an associate of their POTUS.

 

[chobie]

He didn't cut ties though, and he needs to. America is not going to accept Uncle "God Damn America" Jeremiah being an associate of their POTUS.

I agree. Even if this blows over now, should he get the nomination this will be brought up again and again.

 

[chris1gill]

I wonder if the media will pick up on this.

Tim, where'd you pick that up?

And did anyone see earlier where I commented that Clinton had little to no experience creating S Chip for children? Which is something she touts all over the place? Apparently the Senators that did create the bill (Oren Hatch) are angry she is taking credit.. but they've remained quiet... Now (Oren) has spoken up.

 

[chris1gill]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/pelosis-delegat.html

Pelosi says the superdelegates choice will be the pledged delegate winner.

Just because Pelosi says it doesn't mean that Super's will follow, but time will tell, there are ten contests left.... Never know how they will go...

 

[chris1gill]

I agree. Even if this blows over now, should he get the nomination this will be brought up again and again.

If this comes up as a 527 (which we know it will), you can bet Parsley will show up on a 527 to counteract it....

 

[NewJersey]

Tim, where'd you pick that up?

And did anyone see earlier where I commented that Clinton had little to no experience creating S Chip for children? Which is something she touts all over the place? Apparently the Senators that did create the bill (Oren Hatch) are angry she is taking credit.. but they've remained quiet... Now (Oren) has spoken up.

It was a blog entry on daily kos.

Former Clinton State Dept. official continues to question Hillary's exaggerated foreign policy experience:

Obama backer takes aim at Clinton's experience
Posted: 08:49 PM ET

Craig had some sharp words for Hillary Clinton Friday.

(CNN) – Former Clinton State Department official Greg Craig continued to take aim at Hillary Clinton's foreign policy claims Friday, telling the National Journal that the former first lady has "grossly exaggerated the nature of her experience."

"If you're running for president on the basis of your claims of experience, when you then cite examples, you should be careful to be accurate," Craig said. "The evidence should be accurate. And my point is that Senator Clinton and her supporters have in serious ways overstated, if not grossly exaggerated, the nature of her experience."

"I think she is misleading the American public on the nature of her experience," he also said.Craig, a supporter of Barack Obama, was the director of policy planning at the State Department under former President Clinton.

He was a top adviser to former Secretary of State Madeline Albright and served as counsel to former President Clinton during the impeachment hearings.

His comments come days after he penned a strongly worded memo on behalf of the Obama campaign that appeared to suggest the New York senator was not ready to be commander in chief."Hillary Clinton's argument that she has passed 'the commander-in-chief test' is simply not supported by her record," he wrote in that memo.

The Clinton campaign called the memo a "false and misleading attack."Pressed about those comments Friday, Craig appeared to dial back, saying, "I think she would be a capable commander in chief.

I think Barack Obama, who is my candidate, would also be a capable commander in chief. I'm not denigrating that."But Craig specifically took issue with Clinton's claim of having a role in the Northern Ireland peace process."

It's a little bit presumptuous for the first lady, who would meet people and support people to take credit away from the Irish themselves who did it," he said.Pressed about her role in the process, Clinton told NPR earlier this week, "I wasn't sitting at the negotiating table, but the role I played was instrumental."

 

[LoraJ]

I wonder if the media will pick up on this.

I saw they were going to feature it on Anderson Cooper last night but didn't get to watch that segment.

 

[NewJersey]

I saw they were going to feature it on Anderson Cooper last night but didn't get to watch that segment.

Leave it to my guy Anderson.

 

[chris1gill]

The Boston Globe reported this morning (taken yesterday, Friday) that Sen. Clinton had less to do with the passage of the SCHIP program in the early 90s, and cites Republican Orrin Hatch who, with Sen. Ted Kennedy, helped spear the legislation:

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy [privately] over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."


"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."

Here is the Boston Globe Article
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

Recession is here, economist declares
Feldstein heads key forecasting group Slump may be worst since World War II
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/03/15/recession_is_here_economist_declares/

 

[NewJersey]

Check out the favorable/unfavorable graphs:

Obama

Clinton

 

[NewJersey]

The Boston Globe reported this morning (taken yesterday, Friday) that Sen. Clinton had less to do with the passage of the SCHIP program in the early 90s, and cites Republican Orrin Hatch who, with Sen. Ted Kennedy, helped spear the legislation:

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy [privately] over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."


"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."

Interesting. That coupled with former State Department officials questioning her claims to extensive foreign policy experience is beginning to show a pattern.

 

[chris1gill]

Interesting. That coupled with former State Department officials questioning her claims to extensive foreign policy experience is beginning to show a pattern.

Follow the link to the article, it will only be available for free today... they only let you read the prior or current days news for free...

Experience for Clinton has always been an issue, she doesn't have much of it on face value, why do you think it is they will not release her documents as first lady? There was only one thing she tried to accomplish on her own and it failed. She was a shoe in for the NY State Senate & her time there is the only legislative experience she has. Obama has MORE legislative experience than she does..

As for the graphs, were those taken prior to Pastor Gate? Clinton has always had an unfavorable rating around 49%...

I just noticed on RealClear Politics, that McCain would still win Ohio, PA and FL whether it was Clinton or Obama at the top of the ticket, although Obama held a more sizable National lead.