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:goodvibes Tinkerbee, I'd love to hear about why you're an Obama supporter.

I'm not yet. But when I asked what he stood for and why people are voting for him, I got a lot of read his book and do the research yourself. I just wanted to see why people believe that what he says is any different than what anyone else says. Just because he says this and that doesn't mean that it will get done, just like what any of the others say will ever get done. So why do people believe what he says is any different? Why do you think that what good he wants to do for this country will get done? Anyone can tell you what you want to hear but will it get done? Will republicans really work with him to get things done? Flame me down because thats all I've been getting when asking questions since I'm not as politically smart as everyone else seems to be.
 
tinkerbee,
To be fair, you started a thread asking what he stood for, not why we supported him. I dont' have the time to fully explain what he stands for, so I gave you advice on where to find the information. It's not a flame or attack because if you truly wanted to know, the information is out there.

However, asking why I am voting, or why you feel I think you should vote for him is an entirely different question. I put some of my reasons in the liberal thread.
 
One thing we've got to start doing as supporters is breaking this notion that Hillary is somehow the "experienced" candidate. She has a grand total of 5 years in public office. That's it. Barack has 10, though admittedly not all of it on the federal level. This notion that Hillary is somehow an old-pro at getting tough legislation through congress while Barack is some kind of neophyte is complete and utter nonsense! Being first lady doesn't qualify you for the job, and it's time we start pointing that out when the meme is repeated about her "experience advantage."
 
tinkerbee,
To be fair, you started a thread asking what he stood for, not why we supported him. I dont' have the time to fully explain what he stands for, so I gave you advice on where to find the information. It's not a flame or attack because if you truly wanted to know, the information is out there.

However, asking why I am voting, or why you feel I think you should vote for him is an entirely different question. I put some of my reasons in the liberal thread.

It is a different question. People have their own reasons for selecting a candidate, it's a very individual thing. A hot button issue like abortion, having benefited from being a past constituent, liking one health care plan over another, etc. I generally choose a candidate for his or her platform, but Obama and Clinton are running with very similar platforms. So I've had to delve deeper and think about the kind of President I really want.

I don't want anyone to think I'm saying Clinton sucks. I feel I would not be making a bad decision if I voted for Hillary. I just think Obama is a better decision.
 

A couple of quotes from a great opinion piece about why Obama is the best choice.

"Like many women, we would be excited to help elect a woman president. At this pivotal moment in our history, however, the gender of our next president is not our foremost concern. Because of the troubled state of the union, our priority is for the Democrats to select as our nominee the candidate who is best positioned to win in November, and to navigate our nation out of the current morass, unite us and move the country forward."....

...."Sen. Barack Obama is the candidate with the energy and vision to lead our country in these difficult times -- to make our nation safer, restore our standing in the world and inspire Americans to be active participants in our democracy. He transcends the cynical politics of yesterday and inspires us to believe that tomorrow can be better. His message of hope and unity, his character and integrity, his keen mind and thoughtfulness, his belief in people and his optimism inspire us and move us to action."


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/351363_obamawomen15.html
 
Just good information that has or has not received airplay around the disboards today....


Obama is the only candidate to have released his tax forms. (neither McCain or Clinton have)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/opinion/15fri1.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Obama has released his earmarks. (Clinton has not)
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070621-obama_announces_3/

Hillary Clinton reigns as the Queen of Federal Pork
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aXWIZU3DOyr4&refer=home

Obama was rated #1 in environmental policy by the League of Conservation Voters
http://presidentialprofiles2008.org/

Obama was right about Pakistan, back when Hillary was calling him "naive"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/06/navarrette/?iref=mpstoryview

Washington Post gave Obama's economic plan an A- and gave Hillary's a C.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../01/22/AR2008012202614.html?hpid=opinionsbox1


Wall Street Journal preferred Obama's healthcare plan over Hillary Clinton's
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120234937353949449.html

Judge Obama by his legislative achievments, which are quite impressive, according to the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
 
Just good information that has or has not received airplay around the disboards today....


Obama is the only candidate to have released his tax forms. (neither McCain or Clinton have)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/opinion/15fri1.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Obama has released his earmarks. (Clinton has not)
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070621-obama_announces_3/

Hillary Clinton reigns as the Queen of Federal Pork
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aXWIZU3DOyr4&refer=home

Obama was rated #1 in environmental policy by the League of Conservation Voters
http://presidentialprofiles2008.org/

Obama was right about Pakistan, back when Hillary was calling him "naive"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/06/navarrette/?iref=mpstoryview

Washington Post gave Obama's economic plan an A- and gave Hillary's a C.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../01/22/AR2008012202614.html?hpid=opinionsbox1


Wall Street Journal preferred Obama's healthcare plan over Hillary Clinton's
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120234937353949449.html

Judge Obama by his legislative achievments, which are quite impressive, according to the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

Great links!

Go Obama!
 
I also saw this elsewhere, and have already copied it into two threads here where people were attacking him on his perceived "lack of experience". :teeth:

Oh yes, the Obama "has no position", "no platform", & "no experience" argument again. I am not surprised that Hillary is pulling out the stops in light of recent events, and let's be honest- she's just fighting for the face time that she needs right now, and who can blame her? However, the misinformation circulating about Obama's "inexperience" is appalling. I have diligently searched for policy details and financial specifics, and ironically find it much more difficult to find them on her website or on news sites re: her platform than can be found on Obama's platform in about 5 minutes if you know how to use a search engine. If you want, you can find an actual CV on Obama on Chicago U. Law’s website.

Apparently, if you are a skilled & eloquent orator, if you "inspire" people and are articulate- that's spells danger for you politically. Indeed, the inspiring speech is evidence as to why you MUST lack substance on issues and policy, because in America we have come to not just expect, but actually *desire* that our politicians bore us, or scare us, or both.

For what it's worth, there are many things I believe are to be admired about Hillary, but I also firmly believe that Obama is the better candidate to face down McCain, to inspire the country to roll up its sleeves, and to dispense with the bipartisan blood bath that has gone on so long. If you truly are interested in some facts about Obama's platform, here they are:

Here is a 59-page policy handbook:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama...tForChange.pdf

Here is a financial analysis of his most recent mention in his Wisconsin speech about an immediate economic stimulus plan:
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/0...stimulus-plan/

While it's true Barack is quite liberal, there is absolutely no denying that currently, he has more moderate and conservative support than Senator Clinton does However, it is interesting to note that the things for which Obama is often criticized, e.g., "being too liberal" and having "too little experience," the government's OWN statistics refute:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd

Type in each candidate's last names and look at their voting records, the names and substance of bills drafted and supported, and basic biographical info .

Hillary is considered a "radical liberal" on the senate information website, while Obama is considered to be a bit right of that as a "rank and file" democrat. This designation is based upon their votes.

Although Obama has 11 years of legislative experience (5 more years than Hillary) his critics cry "no fair" only the national legislation counts. O.K.--even within these parameters, Obama has passed into law in 3 years (with bills that he authored or co-authored) 5 pieces of substantive legislation, while Hillary has passed into law in 6 years time, 6 substantive bills that she has authored or coauthored. He essentially has accomplished the same job in half the time. Although Hillary has about 26 bills that have become law, 20 of them are things like "name post office after Thurgood Marshall" and "Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship." Here are the substantive legislation each has passed:

Hillary:
1. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
2. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
3. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
4. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
5. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

Here is Obama's:
1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
3.The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
4.The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
5.The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee)

There is a wealth of information on both candidates to be found if you really are interested in the issues and not in recycling the same flaccid arguments about the candidate whom you do not support. Look, there are two viable democrats in the running right now-- and I for one will be voting for either of them come Nov. Having said that, I firmly believe Senator Obama to be the better candidate for the man he is, the intellect he is, and the accident that is called "timing." Vote the way you want, support whomever you admire for whatever reason you wish: emotions, nostalgia, playing it safe, feeling inspired, etc., but stop being dishonest about the other party's platform and substance. If you want details, they can be found.
 
...I am in Wisconsin. We have our primary today. I did my civic duty and colored in that circle for Obama! :thumbsup2
 
...I am in Wisconsin. We have our primary today. I did my civic duty and colored in that circle for Obama! :thumbsup2

Good for you for doing your civic duty!! Even better, you chose a great candidate!!:thumbsup2
 
...I am in Wisconsin. We have our primary today. I did my civic duty and colored in that circle for Obama! :thumbsup2

Thanks for braving the cold to cast your vote. :thumbsup2

How was the turnout at your polling place?
 
...I am in Wisconsin. We have our primary today. I did my civic duty and colored in that circle for Obama! :thumbsup2

EXCELLENT! Thanks for doing your civic duty AND picking the right candidate! I'm also curious how you found your polling place, busy or not so much?
 
...I am in Wisconsin. We have our primary today. I did my civic duty and colored in that circle for Obama! :thumbsup2

Good for you for doing your civic duty, and I dont just say that because you voted for my guy:thumbsup2

I'm supporting the Senator because he is the only candidate that makes me feel good about our country, and where we can go from here. At this point, that is what I need more than anything in my President. I am tired of fears about our economy or terroism being dangled in our face by our leadership, in an effort to rally us behind them. Leadership by fear is not an option for me. I am confident that all the candidates can lead, but not all the candidates can bring people together, and lead with optimism like Barack can. I want to be able to travel abroad, and not be ashamed to tell people I am American. It hasnt always been that way, thats for sure.

FWIW, I am a registered Republican who voted for our current President twice!;)
 
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