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[chris1gill]

I could have written this myself!

Then how under any moral circumstance could you vote for her. For me it is a moral issue, I know I am idealistic, I am often too honest, but under moral obligation I cannot vote for her. As much as I want a democrat in the Whitehouse, I cannot vote for her and nor can my Husband. We also cannot vote for John McCain under the same moral obligation.....

 

[chris1gill]

I agree with that. I do like Hillary, but I would never vote for a woman solely because she's a woman. It's important to have a female POTUS someday, of course. But it's also important to have a black POTUS someday.

I know a few people who voted for her because she is a woman, that's the only reason they voted for her.... I think there are plenty of people out there like that.

Personally I cannot trust her. She did not read the National Intelligence report to determine her vote to authorize the use of war, Obama did, he didn't have to, but he did... When she says one thing one week and says something different another week as she has done for months, when she signs a pledge and then cries fowl that she had to sign it, I cannot trust her. Initially she was not saying she would bring troops home within six months, how do we know she will?

I just cannot trust her to do one thing she says she will... she has contradicted herself far too many times....

Now Chelsea on the other hand, if she plays her cards right, gets some experience, she could be a good candidate some day.... Hopefully she plays by new rules.

 

[lilyv]

I was so touched and motivated by the support for our guy. People are fired up and math doesn't lie. He will be the nominee. The only difference between today and two days ago, is that now we are in it for the long run.

Don't you wonder, though, about how all this is being reported? If someone didn't read and only got their news from talking heads they would think that there were lots of ways HRC could still win. (She just has to do well in Pa... )

Anyway, I'm in for the long haul. I think it's sad that the new bar in the primaries is so low. Barack is being forced to go negative at this point to refute the Clinton strategy.

Obama will do fine against McCain. I look forward to the national election where real issues will be discussed and debated.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Then how under any moral circumstance could you vote for her. For me it is a moral issue, I know I am idealistic, I am often too honest, but under moral obligation I cannot vote for her. As much as I want a democrat in the Whitehouse, I cannot vote for her and nor can my Husband. We also cannot vote for John McCain under the same moral obligation.....

My concern is that if too many people make that choice, we will all be watching President McCain take the Oath. Believe me, the Republicans may not like McCain, but you can bet they will ALL show up to vote against Hillary.

 

[wvrevy]

How many people here would support an Obama / Clinton ticket?

Over the past few weeks, I've become pretty disgusted with Hillary's tactics, to the point of saying that I wouldn't vote for her if she stole the nomination. Consequently, my initial reaction to the idea is "Not a chance in heck" (or something to that affect ).

However, I've been thinking about it for the last few days, and I've started to warm to the idea. Here are the advantages I see to that ticket:

- The ticket would be that much more historic, for having both a minority man and a woman.

- Hillary would have the deciding vote in a fairly evenly divided Senate, and would be able to use her experience there to help push the party's agenda.

- We still get the people's choice at the top of the ticket, and we do so while UNITING the party.

- Hillary not being at the TOP of the ticket would not energize the far right base of the Republican Party.

- We would win the general election in a landslide.

Other than the fact that there wouldn't be any love lost between the two - hardly a stumbling block in the past, as many presidents didn't get along well with their vice presidents - I can't find a lot of negatives about that idea.

Comments?

 

[Laura]

My concern is that if too many people make that choice, we will all be watching President McCain take the Oath. Believe me, the Republicans may not like McCain, but you can bet they will ALL show up to vote against Hillary.

It worries me too.

 

[lilyv]

How many people here would support an Obama / Clinton ticket?

Over the past few weeks, I've become pretty disgusted with Hillary's tactics, to the point of saying that I wouldn't vote for her if she stole the nomination. Consequently, my initial reaction to the idea is "Not a chance in heck" (or something to that affect ).

However, I've been thinking about it for the last few days, and I've started to warm to the idea. Here are the advantages I see to that ticket:

- The ticket would be that much more historic, for having both a minority man and a woman.

- Hillary would have the deciding vote in a fairly evenly divided Senate, and would be able to use her experience there to help push the party's agenda.

- We still get the people's choice at the top of the ticket, and we do so while UNITING the party.

- Hillary not being at the TOP of the ticket would not energize the far right base of the Republican Party.

- We would win the general election in a landslide.

Other than the fact that there wouldn't be any love lost between the two - hardly a stumbling block in the past, as many presidents didn't get along well with their vice presidents - I can't find a lot of negatives about that idea.

Comments?

I could live with her being VP. Just wondering, does that job include occasional rotations as the white house switchboard operator?

 

[lilyv]

My concern is that if too many people make that choice, we will all be watching President McCain take the Oath. Believe me, the Republicans may not like McCain, but you can bet they will ALL show up to vote against Hillary.

This is why I believe Hillary is unelectable. I know my position isn't popular across the board, but how folks vote in a primary is one thing. How they vote in a general election is another. "Gurl" power aside, much of the country has Clinton fatigue.

 

[Laura]

I would love a combined ticket. I would be disappointed if Obama didn't get the nomination, and would prefer Hillary as VP, but I would vote for Hillary if she got top billing. We could be confident Obama would want to take over after she left.

 

[Honu]

I just saw on CNN that a new Washington Post-ABC News poll has McCain trailing Obama by 12 percentage points and Clinton by 6 points in head-to-head presidential match-ups.

 

[Fitswimmer]

How many people here would support an Obama / Clinton ticket?

Over the past few weeks, I've become pretty disgusted with Hillary's tactics, to the point of saying that I wouldn't vote for her if she stole the nomination. Consequently, my initial reaction to the idea is "Not a chance in heck" (or something to that affect ).

However, I've been thinking about it for the last few days, and I've started to warm to the idea. Here are the advantages I see to that ticket:

- The ticket would be that much more historic, for having both a minority man and a woman.

- Hillary would have the deciding vote in a fairly evenly divided Senate, and would be able to use her experience there to help push the party's agenda.

- We still get the people's choice at the top of the ticket, and we do so while UNITING the party.

- Hillary not being at the TOP of the ticket would not energize the far right base of the Republican Party.

- We would win the general election in a landslide.

Other than the fact that there wouldn't be any love lost between the two - hardly a stumbling block in the past, as many presidents didn't get along well with their vice presidents - I can't find a lot of negatives about that idea.

Comments?

I've been saying that since the Primary campaign started. It's an unbeatable ticket. His vision of hope and ability to get people excited about service and her policy wonk brain-it's a great team.

Actually, I think they would get along fine-they did before this all started. I think both of them are the kind of politicians who can fight tooth and nail with an opponent all day, and then go out to dinner or watch a game with that same person later. It's something that I remember reading in an article about Tip O'Neil. He could go at an opponent, criticize them all day long...and then at the end of the session, slap that same person on the back and offer to buy the first round.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

How many people here would support an Obama / Clinton ticket?

Over the past few weeks, I've become pretty disgusted with Hillary's tactics, to the point of saying that I wouldn't vote for her if she stole the nomination. Consequently, my initial reaction to the idea is "Not a chance in heck" (or something to that affect ).

However, I've been thinking about it for the last few days, and I've started to warm to the idea. Here are the advantages I see to that ticket:

- The ticket would be that much more historic, for having both a minority man and a woman.

- Hillary would have the deciding vote in a fairly evenly divided Senate, and would be able to use her experience there to help push the party's agenda.

- We still get the people's choice at the top of the ticket, and we do so while UNITING the party.

- Hillary not being at the TOP of the ticket would not energize the far right base of the Republican Party.

- We would win the general election in a landslide.

Other than the fact that there wouldn't be any love lost between the two - hardly a stumbling block in the past, as many presidents didn't get along well with their vice presidents - I can't find a lot of negatives about that idea.

Comments?

16 years of Obama/Clinton has a nice ring to it for this kid.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I could live with her being VP. Just wondering, does that job include occasional rotations as the white house switchboard operator?

OT-but the thing that bugs me about that commercial is WHY THE HECK DOESN'T SHE ANSWER IT ON THE FIRST RING???

 

[wvrevy]

OT-but the thing that bugs me about that commercial is WHY THE HECK DOESN'T SHE ANSWER IT ON THE FIRST RING???

Have you seen the version where the secretary from Ghosbusters answers?

 

[lilyv]

OT-but the thing that bugs me about that commercial is WHY THE HECK DOESN'T SHE ANSWER IT ON THE FIRST RING???

DH wonders why she has no staffers/employees. Are they out sick? Did they just quit? He doesn't think it's a good sign.

 

[chris1gill]

How many people here would support an Obama / Clinton ticket?

Over the past few weeks, I've become pretty disgusted with Hillary's tactics, to the point of saying that I wouldn't vote for her if she stole the nomination. Consequently, my initial reaction to the idea is "Not a chance in heck" (or something to that affect ).

However, I've been thinking about it for the last few days, and I've started to warm to the idea. Here are the advantages I see to that ticket:

- The ticket would be that much more historic, for having both a minority man and a woman.

- Hillary would have the deciding vote in a fairly evenly divided Senate, and would be able to use her experience there to help push the party's agenda.

- We still get the people's choice at the top of the ticket, and we do so while UNITING the party.

- Hillary not being at the TOP of the ticket would not energize the far right base of the Republican Party.

- We would win the general election in a landslide.

Other than the fact that there wouldn't be any love lost between the two - hardly a stumbling block in the past, as many presidents didn't get along well with their vice presidents - I can't find a lot of negatives about that idea.

Comments?

I wouldn't like it... I think if Obama got the nod, he could do better. He obviously needs someone with more real perceived foreign relations experience, someone who can counter McCain's 40 years of experience... Clinton doesn't have that. She dug them both a rut when she said that quote the other day, something to the effect McCain has experience, she has experience, but Obama has a speech (yeh right) Problem of course is that McCain has more experience than both of them....

 

[lilyv]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03062008/news/columnists/only_gore_can_stop_
a_meltdown_100624.htm

A thought provoking column-some hyperbole, but overall, I wonder where Al Gore, is, too. If the primary drags on until pre-season football it will greatly benefit the Reps. The Democrats? They'll be trying to play catch up until election day.

...."IF AL GORE can pull himself away from saving the planet long enough, he might want to consider rescuing the Democratic Party from the clutches of utter self-destruction.

Campaigning against an unpopular war in Iraq, a sputtering economy and a disappearing dollar, Democrats cannot lose in November.

...." That leaves Al Gore as the only person with the experience to answer the red phone and force a peaceful end to this civil war.

The inconvenient truth is that the red phone is now ringing and Al Gore hears it. The only question is whether he has the guts to pick it up."

 

[wvrevy]

I wouldn't like it... I think if Obama got the nod, he could do better. He obviously needs someone with more real perceived foreign relations experience, someone who can counter McCain's 40 years of experience... Clinton doesn't have that. She dug them both a rut when she said that quote the other day, something to the effect McCain has experience, she has experience, but Obama has a speech (yeh right) Problem of course is that McCain has more experience than both of them....

Nah...the "experience" thing isn't going to make a difference. At this point, I honestly think it's more important to get the whole party together than it would be to make up for any perceived experience gap. Besides...with all that "experience" John McCain has, he wants us to stay in Iraq regardless of the situation there, just as we are in Germany and Korea right now.

In the GE, it's going to come back to "it's the economy, stupid." Considering McCain's most profound comments about the economy to date have been his admission that he doesn't know anything about it...well, let's just say that I'm not terribly worried.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03062008/news/columnists/only_gore_can_stop_
a_meltdown_100624.htm

A thought provoking column-some hyperbole, but overall, I wonder where Al Gore, is, too. If the primary drags on until pre-season football it will greatly benefit the Reps. The Democrats? They'll be trying to play catch up until election day.

...."IF AL GORE can pull himself away from saving the planet long enough, he might want to consider rescuing the Democratic Party from the clutches of utter self-destruction.

Campaigning against an unpopular war in Iraq, a sputtering economy and a disappearing dollar, Democrats cannot lose in November.

...." That leaves Al Gore as the only person with the experience to answer the red phone and force a peaceful end to this civil war.

The inconvenient truth is that the red phone is now ringing and Al Gore hears it. The only question is whether he has the guts to pick it up."

I'm a huge supporter of Al's, but no. I wouldn't support him stepping in at all at this point, unless it's to tell Hillary to stop trying to destroy the party and run on her own merits without tearing down her Democratic opponent.

 

[lilyv]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Clinton_aide_compares_Obama_to_Ken_Starr.html

I wish the Clinton's friends understood that dirty politics don't make you appear strong, they just make you appear dirty.

Quote: ""When Senator Obama was confronted with questions over whether he was ready to be Commander-in-Chief and steward of the economy, he chose not to address those questions, but to attack Senator Clinton," Wolfson said. "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president."

Nothing like a fellow "Dem" attacking another with accusations of being like Ken Starr.

The Republicans must be just wringing their hands with delight.

 

[wvrevy]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Clinton_aide_compares_Obama_to_Ken_Starr.html

I wish the Clinton's friends understood that dirty politics don't make you appear strong, they just make you appear dirty.

Quote: ""When Senator Obama was confronted with questions over whether he was ready to be Commander-in-Chief and steward of the economy, he chose not to address those questions, but to attack Senator Clinton," Wolfson said. "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president."

Nothing like a fellow "Dem" attacking another with accusations of being like Ken Starr.

The Republicans must be just wringing their hands with delight.