Non-Partisan Thoughts About Vice-President Cheney

[mick67]

Clinton lied about cheating on his wife, so the only reason to impeach him was for political embarrassment. The only reason Clinton got strung up for his lie was because unlike most political lies (democrats and republicans included), no one would have benefitted monitarily for covering it up.

 

[TCPluto]

Which one may die due to the blast? The intern or the lawyer?

You're right, one blast could be said to take life, the pother to give.

That's taking it on the chin...

 

[TCPluto]

Clinton lied about cheating on his wife, so the only reason to impeach him was for political embarrassment. The only reason Clinton got strung up for his lie was because unlike most political lies (democrats and republicans included), no one would have benefitted monitarily for covering it up.

He lied under oath long before the impeachment hearings.

Are you really saying the subject matter is the determining factor in what you can perjure yourself over? I hope not. All perjury is created equal.

 

[TCPluto]

Aaah, the old "my child said" comeback. As if your child is not just parroting the views of her family.

What she was parroting was a common sense analysis of the issue, and how important it was/is in the real world.

For that we are very proud.

 

[mick67]

He lied under oath long before the impeachment hearings.

Are you really saying the subject matter is the determining factor in what you can perjure yourself over? I hope not. All perjury is created equal.

True. But murder gets three degrees. While that makes sense to a purist, in real world practice there is an injustice there.

 

[mick67]

You're right, one blast could be said to take life, the pother to give.

That's taking it on the chin...

It's a foul to say these kinds of things with a picture of daughter below them.

 

[TCPluto]

Originally Posted by Mugg Mann
Yes it was. And guess what Dawn, so was Chappaquiddick. But that doesn't stop you from being a hypocrite and bringing it up at every possible opportunity. Obviously you must believe that Kennedy planned out his accident in advance, because you want to hold his feet to the fire but look the other way when Cheney has an accident. And if you assume that the circumstances are different because someone died due to Kennedy's accident, then why don't you hold Laura Bush to the same standard because someone died due to her negligence?

Of course, the only explanation that fits all the facts is that you look the other way when republicans are involved and go for the jugular when it's a democrat. In your world, republicans/conservatives=good and democrats/liberals=bad, and no fact that contradicts that narrow-blinder worldview of yours can possibly be true. But you can't admit that, can you?

My apologies to the rest of the posters for going off topic...and MossMan, once again, good stuff!!!

The Chappaquidick analogy falls down in a very basic way that you fail to mention. Kennedy didn't report his accident to the authorities until the next day. Cheney (through the Secret Service) reported his accident to the authorities immediately. He waited until the next day to notified the press, not the authorities. The news media may not like that, but oh well...

On the Ted Kennedy tip, read the story here:

http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm

If anyone can support him after this, well, oh my....

 

[TCPluto]

True. But murder gets three degrees. While that makes sense to a purist, in real world practice there is an injustice there.

Exactly why the penalty for perjury is tied to the subject matter of the crime/issue under investigation, and for which the perjurious testimony was offered.

 

[DawnCt1]

Cheney was more then likely drinking also since he didn't even accompany his good friend and victim to the hospital but stayed out of sight till the next day.
Why though, are we talking about Ted Kennedy and what happened 36 years ago? Was he hunting quail with the VP?

Have you considered the logistics of a vice president going to a hospital emergency room? The first consideration is obtaining and providing care, not secret service protection and disruption in a very public hospital.
There is no evidence that Dick Cheney was drinking and to suggest that he didn't go to the hospital because he was drinking is ludicrous. Do you think that the hospital does its own investigation? The proper authorities were notified immediately. With regard to Ted Kennedy, he was drinking and that is very likely why he went to a hotel, stayed there and didn't come forward until the next day when her body was discovered. Why are we talking about Ted today? Because he holds public office and got away with at least, negligent homocide and evading responsibility and most likely DUI.

 

[DawnCt1]

Clinton lied about cheating on his wife, so the only reason to impeach him was for political embarrassment. The only reason Clinton got strung up for his lie was because unlike most political lies (democrats and republicans included), no one would have benefitted monitarily for covering it up.

Clinton lied to a grand jury in an attempt to deny Paula Jones redress under the court system. Paula Jones would not have benefited monetarily as she did, if he had not been caught and punished for his lie.

 

[DawnCt1]

Which one may die due to the blast? The intern or the lawyer?

Niether.

 

[Planogirl]

What does Clinton or Ted Kennedy have to do with this? Why are they ALWAYS brought up when something happens with this administration? This material is getting old at best.

 

[TCPluto]

Others made jokes about them or brought them up in another context. It then seemed like a natural segway into their behavior.

Cheney's accident pales in comparison, I think that's the point.

Because the national media was shut out of the first report of the incident, to a small local paper no less, is the real cause of the problem.

The national media circus that has ensued is ridiculous, as is the conspiracy theory mindset that there is much more to the story.

No delays in reporting the incident, impropriety by anyone. Just vengeful national media for not getting the story first, so they'll try and make more out of it and suck in all the liberal hate mongers. That's all.

"It was an accident, get over it".

 

[Planogirl]

I don't necessarily think that people should just "get over it". It never hurts to take a close look at the actions of authority figures because they represent us and make decisions for us, and I would personally never want anyone questionable in that position. We then should decide if any further investigation is warranted.

Bringing up the activities of other individuals has no bearing on the activities of the Vice President. This event should be examined and then set aside if no further investigation seems warranted. JMO.

 

[Tiziminchac]

No delays in reporting the incident, impropriety by anyone. Just vengeful national media for not getting the story first, so they'll try and make more out of it and suck in all the liberal hate mongers. That's all.

It's working too!

 

[Puffy2]

Fairly recently in Atlanta a man "sold" another man a MARTA (rapid rail) token for about $1.25 (the ACTUAL cost for the token) because the man he sold it to couldn't get the token machine to work.

Atlanta police ARRESTED the man for "illegally reselling tokens" . He spent time in JAIL, and had to go before a JUDGE before he was finally released - just becaused he allowed another citizen to reimburse (sp?) him for the actual cost of a MARTA token.

Cheney SHOOTS A MAN IN THE FACE and he isn't even allowed to be questioned by local police until the next day. No drug test, no alchohol test, zip.

Clearly not only does this VP thinks he is above the law, for some strange reason many Americans are ok with that. It is NOT ok to treat elected officals or those who make more money or who have higher ranking jobs , differently than the average American when it comes to law.

 

[LakeAriel]

Have you considered the logistics of a vice president going to a hospital emergency room? The first consideration is obtaining and providing care, not secret service protection and disruption in a very public hospital.
There is no evidence that Dick Cheney was drinking and to suggest that he didn't go to the hospital because he was drinking is ludicrous. Do you think that the hospital does its own investigation? The proper authorities were notified immediately. With regard to Ted Kennedy, he was drinking and that is very likely why he went to a hotel, stayed there and didn't come forward until the next day when her body was discovered. Why are we talking about Ted today? Because he holds public office and got away with at least, negligent homocide and evading responsibility and most likely DUI.

Cheney HAD his secret service WITH him hunting! No logistics problem. The authorities would have asked him for the details at the hospital, as hospitals MUST report ALL shootings! Ah! A test for alcohol! Hmmmmmmmm Maybe it is something else he is hiding, maybe it isn't too much booze. The Republican Party themselves are mad about the way this was announced. Maybe you should be too. So according to your logic IF Cheney's FRIEND dies he will be charged with criminally negligent homicide? Let's not forget he didn't have the proper license and mistook a man for a quail. Negligent at the least! Now if you mistook Cheney for a bird, well.....

 

[LakeAriel]

Niether.

Neither? I'm glad you have the power over life and death but the man still has a pellet IN his heart, he is 78, and they said he is not fully recovered. Let's hope he makes it, but he is not out of the woods yet. Neither is Cheney!

 

[chobie]

What she was parroting was a common sense analysis of the issue, and how important it was/is in the real world.

For that we are very proud.

Wow, my 11 year old too!

Of course her common sense analysis of the issue and how important is to the real world was that when the Vice President of the United States shoots someone in the face after consuming alcohol, then waits to let the media know, then has his buddies blame the victim --is a major story and Cheney should resign.

 

[chobie]

Clinton blasted an intern in the face, on purpose, then lied about it (under an oath to tell the truth).
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To quote your young one, "Get over it!". Of course, that's what she would have said about the President's personal sex life, wouldn't she-- being so sage and all...