Newbies bringing a service dog to visit Mickey

I only have experience through Guiding Eyes for the Blind and it's pretty dated info. I'm fairly sure they do not charge but are more than happy to accept a donation. Every guide dog school works differently, some are on site training, some will come to your home and train with you. I believe most have age requirements though.
 
I can give you a little first hand knowledge of myself or some of my very best friends who have guide dogs.

First most are free, I think there are 12 or 14, it is always changing a little every year. All have to have some kinds of things in place, and the four major ones, guide dogs for the blind, guiding eyes for the blind, leader dogs and seeing eyes for the blind, all work together in that they all interbred the dogs to continue to get a great mix, with the right temperament, size, and traits. Although, the do it by trading so many from one to to so many from another.

I believe that all of these four do have an age of 16 to get a dog, but you can apply in your 15th year since it can take 4 to 6 months. Two of these schools have buddy dog programs for younger children, dogs who did not make training because of a problem, say to many ear infections, but other wise has all the right traits, they go to children who are between 8 and 15, to get them use to the idea of having a dog right by there sides, guiding eyes for the blind in NY have more on the web page.

Each school, had a 26 or 28 day training program where you have to go and live there and train there, very highly recommended over any school that brings the dog to you, at list the first dog,, but with economy the way it is, I hear that this may not be the case in every school anymore, some are cutting down to 14 or 21 days, I hear. Again guiding eyes for the blind is 26 days,still.

I said most offer free the dogs, I know seeing eye makes you pay a small fee. $200 and I know a few smaller school make you pay also. I hear it is to give you the sense of owner ship. Not 100% positive, but I think most of the school mentioned do not let you outright on the dog, for a year or two. All those mentioned have some kind of free vet program for there dogs, guiding eyes will give my vet $200 a year for regular check ups, and if I keep my dog within 10 pounds of goal weight, I get $300 a year, which will cover the heart worm medication on top of the vet bill. I know leader dogs and guide dogs do the same.

So is one school better than another, no, but they are different and the best way to find out is to start asking questions, from those that go and listen to the answers as to your daughters sight at the time. One school has better meals, another better rooms, to me and most of my friends that was not a deal breaker. But the schools do have differences in training techniques and some are better than others with different eye sight issues.

One or two examples, I have had a friend go to guide dogs and end up not getting a dog, she had some sight but was still legally blind, they did not work well at all with her, she later went to guiding eyes and got a dog and did just fine. I had the opposite with another friend, she went to guiding eyes and was sent home saying they could not help, first day there they took her cane away and she could never seem to get use to that, she later went to guide dogs and got a dog, they babied her (her words) and let her have her cane and dog, she did great. Neither school is better, just a difference in how they treat differences, which is good as long as you know what you want or need, and this is just two examples, am sure others had the opposite results.

The next difference is the dogs, guide dogs for the blind turn out very young dogs, many only 18 months old. Some people love that, usually get another year out of service. Others really hate it and would rather a dog 24 to 28 months old. Again, neither school is better for it, I prefer my dog trained aa little older.

One other factor is if you want a specific dog type. All have mostly labs, they usually are the over all best bred for guide work. That does not mean others will not work, or there are not an occasional dog in every bred that will work. These school do so much bredding between themselves they have actually bred out some traits in labs, like ear infections, which are common in labs, the dogs from these school as a bred, have less than a 3% problem. But I know guide dogs have labs, golden and cross lab golden, but something like 90 labs. Guiding eyes have the same but they also have just a few shepards. Leader dogs have the same but will do a few other breeds, I know they do poodles for people allergic to dogs, and I heard of them doing a great Dane for a man whoo was 7 ft tall, but I'm not sure that is true. I do not know what breeds seeing eye do.

I hope this was not to much, hope your DD finds many years of sight before she needs a dog. Oh one rule for all the schools is independent travel, so no matter how young she is, make her do the work, but be her eyes for her, she must be able to safely cross streets, busy ones independently, and she must have some sence of what direction she has to go when she gets to the ends of sidewalks or streets. I believe all the schools mention will take her out privately and she will have to show before they except her that she can do this. I just say, because I lost my sight at age 4 and my parents where great, I was mainstreamed into a private school, was allowed to do everything and anything my brothers where, and never felt different, but it was a very long time, before they ever let me cross a street along, even all my friends would tell me when and how. But it is very important to let DD at least try on her own each time, it is always better for her to say mom I'm going now and have you behind her saying okay, than to same day have to do it alone and not know she is safe, that is how I felt when I was about 17 and all of a sudden my friends all were driving and I was still walking, and I did not know really how to cross safely.
 
See last I knew, GEB retained ownership and right to take the dog for extreme reasons throughout the dogs life.

What I do really want to reinforce from the PP is your daughter will ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND BY HERSELF. Start this early! The dog serves as an assistant, quite literally a guide, not a director. Your daughter will not be able to say "Take me to Oak Street" or "The Gap!" For a guide dog to be useful, the user must be able to safely and independantly navigate their environment.
 
Thanks so much. I figured we had to wait a bit but it is good to know the ins and outs should we need to go in this direction down the road. She currently has little functional vision out of her right eye, poor peripheral in both eyes, but has retained for now some central vision in her left. Problem is her condition is progressive. She is very independent for a 10 y.o. Our concern for her right now is not seeing steps, curbs, and things in her peripheral. Thanks again, you all were very helpful.
 

I would suggest you contact some of the schools in your area (I think Seeing Eye and Guiding Eyes would be the closest for you) and see what information they can give you. They should be able to guide you into what exactly they'll require of your daughter for her to qualify for their dogs so you can start preparing her as soon as possible. I'd also recommend looking into disability services in your area and seeing what they provide. Ask her doctor to recommend people and services, you and your daughter will be able to get through things much easier (not a breeze by any means, but easier) the more you can figure out beforehand rather than "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" type education.
 
I am a leader dogs for the blind foster raiser at the moment and as part of my future leader dog's training she has to be exposed to as many situations and places as possible. Granted at about eight weeks old she was out and about in the public, but I had decided that at about twelve weeks that she would be able to handle a trip to Disney. We will be visiting in may and lemme say that doing Disney is NOT for every service dog. Reading the situation, I feel it may be pushing the dog a bit much to have it carry the load of oxygen on its back in addition to dealing with the Florida heat. My FLD Daisy is a black lab and yes heat will be an issue on the journey but at the same token I know her limits and when she's tired, we will definitely be utilizing breaks and not doing much during the heat of the day.

Like I said, Disney is not for every service animal. I suggest doing an outing similar to Disney before embarking on this trip with the dog to see if it is something she/he can truly be able to tolerate. There's nothing more embarrassing than when a service dog misbehaves in public ( and to my fellow raisers/handlers/SD GD users you understand we've all been there)

Best of luck and hope you get it figured out. We're all here to help not to hinder.


Meredith and FLD Daisy
 
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Is that Daisy in your avatar?! So cute!

Lol! Whats funny is that's what she looked like when I picked her up from Leader Dogs about 7 months ago and the funny thing is that that's a completely random lab avatar from the net lol! I'll post a picture of her.

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Daisy 7 months ago

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Daisy now (give or take two months). She's a fabulous little worker
 
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You've got some good pictures of her! Black labs can be hard to photograph because they can lose all depth in their faces. The puppy raiser who had our first dog gave us a copy of the dog's "baby book". All sorts of pictures of him growing up.
 
The dog would definitely be considered as a service dog, given the nature of her duties. Probably the best advice would be go to the company where you got the animal from and ask their advice.
 
The dog would definitely be considered as a service dog, given the nature of her duties. Probably the best advice would be go to the company where you got the animal from and ask their advice.

I'm not sure which dog you are referring to, but the OP's dog would not be considered a SD as there are no trained tasks involved. Merely hauling a tank that is strapped to the dog is nothing that is trained- it's placed on the dog, the dog walks with it, that's it. Many of us are concerned about the dog having issues in the Florida heat with something heavy to carry on top of it and wondering why they can't strap the tank to a stroller since it belongs to a 2 year old.

And to the PP/owner of Daisy- SO CUTE! Skye has that same Disney princess collar (at least it looks to be the same) and I have several more in her drawer where I keep all her scarves in case the original one wears out.
 
Does anyone remember that thread of pictures of Disney going service dogs? I can't seem to find it!
 
Awesome! I thought I had it favorite placed...actually I know I did but I think it was the victim of when my kitten thought the best thing in the world EVER was to walk on my keyboard.
 
As long as you will be able to clean up after the dog it should be ok. I would try and avoid the super busy season and weekends!
 
I'm not sure which dog you are referring to, but the OP's dog would not be considered a SD as there are no trained tasks involved. Merely hauling a tank that is strapped to the dog is nothing that is trained- it's placed on the dog, the dog walks with it, that's it. Many of us are concerned about the dog having issues in the Florida heat with something heavy to carry on top of it and wondering why they can't strap the tank to a stroller since it belongs to a 2 year old.

And to the PP/owner of Daisy- SO CUTE! Skye has that same Disney princess collar (at least it looks to be the same) and I have several more in her drawer where I keep all her scarves in case the original one wears out.

As someone who had a mobile toddler tethered to a medical device (not Oxygen in our case), I would think a dog would have to be very well trained to do this task. I know in my son's case, any minute that he was attached he either needed to be asleep, in something like a carseat, stroller, or high chair, or someone needed to be monitoring every move to stay within the reach of the tube. It was exhausting, and required my full attention. So the dog would have to be trained to stay close, move with the child, and presumably alert if something happened and the child became "unplugged".

If you attached an oxygen tank to my pet dog he'd wander away, unplug the kid and leave him or her struggling to breathe.
 
As someone who had a mobile toddler tethered to a medical device (not Oxygen in our case), I would think a dog would have to be very well trained to do this task. I know in my son's case, any minute that he was attached he either needed to be asleep, in something like a carseat, stroller, or high chair, or someone needed to be monitoring every move to stay within the reach of the tube. It was exhausting, and required my full attention. So the dog would have to be trained to stay close, move with the child, and presumably alert if something happened and the child became "unplugged".

If you attached an oxygen tank to my pet dog he'd wander away, unplug the kid and leave him or her struggling to breathe.

The OP only mentioned the dog carrying the tank. There was no mention of an alert or any other training that was done. Perhaps we don't have the full story, but this is the only information we were given.


To the pp who mentioned " as long as you pick up after the dog, etc". Um...no. There are designated break areas for service dogs- they can't just poop on the sidewalk and you pick it up. Service dogs are trained to hold it until they are given the command to toilet. A SD seen relieving itself in public could be asked to leave the premises.
 
Saw a story in the Daily Mail today that sounds remarkbly similar to what has been described here, maybe the same family?

Can't post link since I only have four posts so far, would be happy to PM the link to someone who can post in the thread...
 
Saw a story in the Daily Mail today that sounds remarkbly similar to what has been described here, maybe the same family?

Can't post link since I only have four posts so far, would be happy to PM the link to someone who can post in the thread...
It may be the same family, maybe not.
Here is a link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...bloch-3-alive-strapping-oxygen-tank-back.html

If it is the same family, I wish the OP would have explained a little more about the dog. From what she wrote, the dog sounded like they were just using it to hold the oxygen, not that it had been trained to keep a safe distance and DO some tasks related to the child's needs.
 

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