New policy for reservations based on check IN date

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How can someone be based on availability if it was never available when they said I could start booking?

If it's not available for you, that doesn't mean it's not available at all, just that some other member was fortunate and you were not. The next time you call, roles may be reversed.
 
Star W, Simzac, Squirrlygirl

No argument here, if you believe one group of members should be given preference over another then the change is OK.

I do think DVC should be “honest” about it and publicly recognize the inequity and change the POS and sales presentations to match, if that was their intent.

bookwormde
 
Whether your guide mentioned it or not, if you read your paperwork you would know that the ability to make reservations is always based on availability. If you assumed that DVC would never change, that was your bad. However, reservations are still based on availability. To somehow blame DVC because you made assumptions in perpetuity that just weren't accurate seems like trying to shift the blame for not understanding what you were buying from yourself to DVC.

It also states a 11/7 month booking period with this change that no longer applies, as many people on this board have stated they will walk a reservation they will be starting thier 11/7 month period before they really should you can try to justify this as much as you like , it will be a shambles from day one
 
I have spent a lot of experience making statistical predictions with a high success rate, so I have a lot of confidence in my conclusions.

I'm not questioning your ability, and I'm sure you are very good at what you do. However, I suspect when you make a statistical prediction it's based on lots of data available to you at the time to help you reach a statistical conclusion. In this case, we have no data available to us. DVC doesn't share numbers with us. So it's difficult to do anything more than simply "guess" how this will turn out.
 

I'm sorry, I haven't read every word of my contract and memorized it. I'm sorry for assuming that when they tell me the booking window starts on X day, if I call right when they open, I expect to have all their inventory available to me (except for what else might have been booked that same day). It is possible for a room not even to be available when the booking window opens.

How can someone be based on availability if it was never available when they said I could start booking?

Well spoken.
 
And I'm not saying that your wrong and I'm right, just that the panic I see in this thread is over something that hasn't happened yet, and may not happen at all.

Like he said, "When things are statistically this obvious they have quite real consequence even if they have not yet happened."
 
Do rule changes such as this one have to be filed with the county/state and mailed to the members? :confused3 Or does this not work anything like a condo assocation would?

As someone that firmly believes that a person that started their vacation 3 days before me has more right to an inventoried room than I do, I feel the new rules righted a problem. For someone else to move in the middle of their vacation because I had a faster finger seems wrong. For them to move in the middle of their vacation, possibly making someone else move in the middle of their vacation, which made someone else move in the middle of their vacation, which made someone else stay at SSR in the middle of their vacation just seems completely wrong. Makes much more sense to let everyone have their vacation, and the person at SSR can be happy and enjoy it (like me :love: ) or waitlist for another resort. Think of all the mousekeeping being used when people resort jump due to room-sniping!
I completely disagree. "Room sniping?" Wrong. It is fairness for all to have an equal shot at each room at 9 a on a given day.
 
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It also states a 11/7 month booking period with this change that no longer applies, as many people on this board have stated they will walk a reservation they will be starting thier 11/7 month period before they really should you can try to justify this as much as you like , it will be a shambles from day one

If your fellow DVC members are operating in a fashion you feel is unacceptable, then you have every right to contact MS and make them aware of your feelings. The policy itself is what it is... It's the various plans & schemes for getting around the new policy that has most people confused & upset.
 
Squirrlygirl and StarrW:

You really feel that it is fair that someone coming in on Friday or Saturday should have access to a weeks worth of inventory before someone that simply comes in on Sunday? You really feel that someone who bought a week's worth of points versus the person who only bought 160 points to stay Sunday through Thursday based on the previous reservation guidelines of 11/7 months should have access to an entire weeks worth of inventory before the person with 160 points?

Maybe I am wrong but my guess is that those that do not travel during busy times or have enough points to book a week and travel for a week are very pleased with the new system. Or maybe these members use to book day by day for busy travel periods Friday to Friday or Saturday to Saturday and now they realize they don't have to do that anymore and they will now be able to beat out those that come in later in the week for reservations as well as getting on the 7 month waitlist.

I do have enough points for weekends but travel Sunday to Sunday or Monday to Monday generally because of work, school and children's athletic schedules. I also am one of the unfortunate that have to travel during school vacation weeks.

I am happy that this appears to have worked for the two of you but certainly at the expense of other members. The day by day system although not enjoyable did put everyone on the same playing field no matter what day they arrived or how many points they purchased. The new system does not.
 
Squirrlgirl and Starr W......better get those flame suits on!!:lmao: :rotfl: I've never taken mine off. I love the feel of diflection!
 
Simzac
For those making reservations 7 days or longer their odds have gone up proportionally to the loss of ability of the members I specified, so for them wait and see is an easy thing to do.

bookwormde

we normally arrive xmas day and will be doing so this year, you think we've got a cat in hells chance of getting that in 2009, i dont think so without walking it but we have the points to do this, what about the members who don't have enough points for this?
 
Do rule changes such as this one have to be filed with the county/state and mailed to the members? :confused3 Or does this not work anything like a condo assocation would?

The Home Resort Rules and Regulations states:

DVCMC reserves the right to amend these Rules and Regulations, in its sole, absolute and unfettered discretion. These changes may affect a Club Member’s right to use, exchange or rent the Club Member’s Ownership interest and impose obligations upon the use and enjoyment of his or her Ownership interest and the appurtenant Club Membership. Club Members will be notified of any such changes through Member Services publications.
 
jarestel

There is lots of anecdotal date available (nice thing about this board). While it does not allow for the level of precision you would get from complete data or a structurally derived set of data it is still indicative and adequate to know that there will be some inequities, we just cannot fully analyze the quantitative level of the effects with any precision.

This is however how a large portion of real world statistical analysis is done.
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bookwormde
 
If your fellow DVC members are operating in a fashion you feel is unacceptable, then you have every right to contact MS and make them aware of your feelings. The policy itself is what it is... It's the various plans & schemes for getting around the new policy that has most people confused & upset.

you think i need to contact MS to tell them what a 5 year old could work out will happen?
 
I have tried to stay out of this over the past few days but here I go.

If it is Disney's attempt to get members to stay for a week and on weekends then they should change the minimum purchase to a lot more points, they should be advising people to buy larger contracts, they certainly should discourage current members from buying smaller add-ons at different and new resorts, and they should minimize the use of the word FLEXIBILITY in their sales presentation.

As I have posted those of us with multiple contracts/multiple resorts (thank goodness I only have two to deal with) are now going to be at a distinct disadvantage. If I am booking a weeks stay with two contracts/resorts at the 11 month window, I will not be able to start booking the second half until 11 months from the second check-in date (this policy remains the same as before) but the BIG difference now is those dates for the second half of my trip could very well be locked up by those who are checking into that resort a few days before and for the entire week. This also holds true for the 7 month waitlist. I now can't get on the waitlist until 7 months from my second check-in date (as before) with again the big difference being that those with a check-in date sooner then mine can now get on the waitlist for the days of the second half of my trip before me. Guess where I am on the list for those days....very low. In my opinion those of us with multiple contracts/resorts are now going to face moving mid-week if we travel during busy travel periods. We quite possibly may not even get a reservation for the second half of our trip without immediately waitlisting at 11 months. I personally have not had this happen under the old policy.

I believe the new policy does not follow the terms of the contract for which we entered; a member cannot book at their home resort until 11 months and at another member's resort until 7 months. Check-in + 7 does not follow this rule. But of course there is likely a clause that says Disney can do what they want to "enhance" member's experiences!! Some members may be embracing this now as some Members Services reps have implied, but wait until everyone starts trying to book Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, Easter, etc.

I truly hope I am wrong and the new policy/system works wonderfully and "enhances" everyones experience but I wouldn't bet on it for those that unfortunately have to travel during busy times and those that have multiple contracts/resorts. Good luck to all of us.

Happy 4th to all!

maminnie

This poster should send THOSE EXACT WORDS to Jim Lewis!!! I think this is an EXCELLENT post that says a lot and would go a long way in explaining things to the Member Satisfaction Team as well as Mr. Lewis. When I spoke to Joy, one of the things I said that she actually stopped to write down word for word was a statement about how this directly effects DVC as well as the member. Your statement does a similar thing, but about an aspect I hadn't thought of. You need to send this to him!!!
 
Squirrlygirl and StarrW:

You really feel that it is fair that someone coming in on Friday or Saturday should have access to a weeks worth of inventory before someone that simply comes in on Sunday? You really feel that someone who bought a week's worth of points versus the person who only bought 160 points to stay Sunday through Thursday based on the previous reservation guidelines of 11/7 months should have access to an entire weeks worth of inventory before the person with 160 points?

Maybe I am wrong but my guess is that those that do not travel during busy times or have enough points to book a week and travel for a week are very pleased with the new system. Or maybe these members use to book day by day for busy travel periods Friday to Friday or Saturday to Saturday and now they realize they don't have to do that anymore and they will now be able to beat out those that come in later in the week for reservations as well as getting on the 7 month waitlist.

I do have enough points for weekends but travel Sunday to Sunday or Monday to Monday generally because of work, school and children's athletic schedules. I also am one of the unfortunate that have to travel during school vacation weeks.

I am happy that this appears to have worked for the two of you but certainly at the expense of other members. The day by day system although not enjoyable did put everyone on the same playing field no matter what day they arrived or how many points they purchased. The new system does not.


Hey I have a small contract at VB and I'll be okay with banking/pulling ahead to get my week long stay at Easter(447pts). I have no problem banking and pulling ahead.
 
No flaming here, I greatly respect the people who are honest that they believe that the inequities of the new system are needed to insure long contiguous reservations.

bookwormde
 
There is lots of anecdotal date available (nice thing about this board). While it does not allow for the level of precision you would get from complete data or a structurally derived set of data it is still indicative and adequate to know that there will be some inequities, we just cannot fully analyze the quantitative level of the effects with any precision.

If inequities means that Member A gets a room but Member B doesn't, I don't see the inequity. Both are members, both want rooms, one was successful, one was not. DVC can't guarantee accomodations for everyone who wants one (one of the drawbacks to the much touted flexibility system) . As I've said already, I don't see why DVC would care which particular members occupy rooms as long as the rooms are occupied.

People are perceiving a threat to their self-interest which is the reason for the mostly emotional arguments about fairness. This is understandable, but from a more or less objective point of view - like the banking changes, the OKW pool slide, the OKW extension, etc, - this too will pass. We'll all adapt to the new changes, and DVC life will go on.
 
Okay, so who wants to post the letters they sent to Jim Lewis????

I'd be willing to post mine if others are willing to do the same.
 
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