New Disney Ships: News, Rumors, Speculation.....and Names!

Exactly the way I feel. Once the Fantasy retires, I won’t sail on DCL again (unless they build a new class with the old style) & it is sad to think about this.
I wasn't crazy about the over the top IPs of the Wish and Treasure but they were growing on me a little.

Putting Marvel on the bow of the ship and having a Marvel character in the atrium sends a much clearer message. I know that two childless adults are not DCL's primary audience, but it is still a little disappointing.
 
Putting Marvel on the bow of the ship and having a Marvel character in the atrium sends a much clearer message. I know that two childless adults are not DCL's primary audience, but it is still a little disappointing.

I'm confused by this statement? My kids don't watch Marvel movies....I do?
 
This is the weirdest hodge-podge, nonsensical, thematically vomitous mess I've ever seen. What the heck, Disney?

Lion King Dinner: The Disney Wish Arendelle dinner is in my opinion, an absolute masterpiece. It has face characters that are absolutely beloved by the children on the ship, incredible songs, with a little humor thrown in for the parents (that Let it Go duet--so fun!), and gently soothing acoustic renditions of disney songs to enjoy while I eat between show scenes. So what do they do next with this venue? CATS. We basically get CATS. Instead of face characters beloved by kids of the current generation, we get people dressed vaguely to look sort of like lions with makeup and shaggy wigs, plus essentially a puppet show (per disney parks blog "theatrical props to represent the story and characters"). And they'll be delighting a room full of impatient kids sitting down for a 2 hr dinner by singing songs that haven't been popular since I was young in the 90s. And as parents, I'll get to "enjoy" eating dinner while listening to lyrics about munching on "slimy, but satisfying" slugs, uncontrollable flatulence, and wet warthog backsides. Lovely.

It just feels like a huge missed opportunity to really showcase some face characters and excellent music. Personally, I think the best would have been Disney's Wish movie--Magnifico is such a fun villain, the music is amazing, they could have gotten really playful with darkening the rooms an having the glowing wish orbs come out around the room held by the waitstaff suspended on a stick/string, or having the evil green magic spread across the ceiling like Elsa's magic in Arendelle. But I guess it didn't make enough money at the box office so... *sigh* Or, hear me out--how about a Descendants dinner? Kids and teens would go absolutely nuts for it, the songs are delightful, and its a movie themed entirely to heroes and villains! Heck, I wouldn't mind if they dug back in the past for older movies if they were actually well suited to the dinner live character musical concept, like Beauty and the Beast--picture actually being served your grey stuff dessert to an acoustic version of Be our Guest, while Gaston does his famous villain tavern number, and Belle and the Beast waltz on the center stage of a ballroom themed restaurant to "Tale as old as time...". But instead. CATS.

Edna Mode Sweet Shop: This makes zero sense. When we all were introduced to the sassy, sharp-talking fashion mogul in the Incredibles, the first thing we thought of was sugary sweet candy and ice cream, right? WRONG. She's not actually even a hero or a villain in this movie. At least have it actually be the Incredibles and pretend it's like their secret identity cover--a family business hiding in plain sight as an ice cream parlor but with hidden details that hint at their superhero identities. Or at least have it be something that would result in adorable treats, like Buzz lightyear or Zurg as the hero or villain with toy story themed cupcakes, or a Star Wars bakery with light side and dark side treats. This isn't rocket science, Disney, PLEASE JUST HAVE IT MAKE SENSE.

Frozen stage show: This is an amazing stage show. I love it on the fantasy. Absolutely zero to do with the hero and villain theme. Unless you count Hans as a villain, which is pretty weak. If they were going to repurpose a show from another ship, why not Tangled from the Disney Magic? It has an amazing villain with one of the best villain songs of all time.

Haunted Mansion Bar: Stop disney. Just stop. There is no hero, the ghosts are only villains in the loosest sense of the term, and you just got lazy and didn't want to shell out money to create a new concept so recycled what you had on the Treasure. Except, if you were going to recycle something for this space, why on earth would you pick this over the Wish's bar themed to Star Wars, an epic tale of good vs evil!!!! Ugh, the mental laziness of the concepts or this ship is just destroying me.

Cruella de Ville bar: Okay this is starting to sort of look like what I was thinking of when this theme was first announced. I can get on board with this one conceptually, but looking at the artwork, it just feels a bit bleh--everything is just black with white spots or red, which I get makes sense, but makes for a kind of dark and uninviting space with a one-note motif. I contrast it with something like Tiana's Bayou or Nightengale's on the Wish which have excellent detail to invoke those movies, and are beautiful and stunning to boot, and this just feels kind of phoned in on theme and borderline unpleasant aesthetically. Not somewhere I see myself spending a lot of time, which I guess I wouldn't be able to anyway since this venue is only open in the evenings.

Pirates of the Caribbean bar: This is fine. I guess. It sort of works here since some of the pirates in the movies are sort-of-heroes and some are definitely villains. But what kills me is this would have been absolutely PERFECT for the Treasure, and they didn't put it on that ship. Which is all I am going to be able to think about now when I go here.

Aquamouse Fantasia theme: This is great, actually. Kind of sad this is one of the best hero-villain themed elements on the ship given it often has a 40 minute+ wait for about 30 seconds worth of video before it turns into a regular ol' water slide like any other ship.

Room themes: The Hercules rooms are chef's kiss perfect. The artwork is gorgeous and on point for the theme. But at the end of the day, it's just a picture on a wall in a room that you'll mostly spend time in to sleep. Hercules would have made a magnificent atrium, stage show (which maybe? hopefully? we may still get), lounge, restaurant etc. etc. Just feels like a perfect tragically underutilized. I won't even comment on the concierge suite theming because they are behind a ridiculous paywall and the vast majority of the guests won't experience those rooms, so not relevant to whether this is a well-themed ship or not.

All the Marvel stuff: Okay so here's the deal. I really enjoy Marvel. I thought the Marvel show and kids club on the Wish was super cute. But this is a LOT of Marvel. We get two Marvel dinner shows, the Marvel kids club space, a Black Panther atrium, a Dr. Strange activity venue, AND a Spiderman hull character? With an entire history of disney heroes and villains to choose from, this just felt like they went a little "more cowbell" to me (IYKYK).

So at the end of the day, we get a cute wall painting, an adorable but short water slide video, and one, maybe two, thematically on-point bars, and a massive overdose of marvel. And the rest is just stupid. I've never been more disappointed by a disney reveal.
 
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I don’t recall reading a bunch of complaints when the cruises were majority princess based. Suddenly they bring some male iconic characters and well…..

Spider man, marvel, etc. has all been around for a long time. Back in the day these characters were known only in comic books much like Archie, Ritchie Rich, Batman, etc. I may be mistaken but I’m only seeing a Black Panther statue, Spider Man on the front of the ship, Guardians of the Galaxy(ish) dinner show with likely avengers in the kids club. I don’t recall disgust and disappointment when Tiana (which is my FAV restaurant and menu) and Frozen became dinner shows and we were surrounded by princesses. I’m just saying. I don’t see these things making this a mainly Marvel ship, I mean….these are timeless characters for boys (as well as the sisters or parents of the boy). Pirates makes sense given every boat has a pirate night so that’s long overdue. What I will say, I personally don’t find the Guardian/Marvel dinner to be that great and a bit lackluster”ish”. So I wouldn’t have minded if they had chosen an alternate type of venue in that space perhaps tying in villains vs heroes a bit more such as those they are showcasing on the boat. Even if they were from different worlds. Heroes unite vs villains unite battle it out or something but hey, we’ve all got ideas.

In summary, I love being on their boats and am looking forward to a new one. Personally I’m always happy just when we do get to go. So I’ll take it! There’s a lot of people who can’t even afford vacations and some who have to pay premium prices for DCL due to scheduling (which is a choice as there are other cruise lines and vacation choices - this applies to broad group; without specifying the “why”).

I’m looking forward to it but don’t know if I’m looking forward to the prices when they are revealed. Good thing these aren’t a “must” / requirement in life. 😉
 
I'm confused by this statement? My kids don't watch Marvel movies....I do?
Putting Marvel on the bow and having a Marvel IP as a statue sends a message that they are completely leaning into IP's on ships going forward. Where with the Magic, Wonder, Dream, and Fantasy, they were sprinkled in but still made it feel like a classic ocean liner.

The new way is not really my preferred style, but I would be sailing without children, and fams/children are Disney's primary audience, and this appeals to them a lot more. I get it.
 
I actually like most the Destiny, except I don't feel like the Frozen show really fits in. The Lion King dinner sounds great, and the Marvel stuff will really appeal to my tween kids. The biggest Marvel fan I know personally is a 38-year-old childless male so I think that could bring in both kids and millennial adults (I have no clue what the generations in between are into). We sail Disney for the IP and kid's clubs so this kind of stuff appeals to us.
 
I think the best would have been Disney's Wish movie--Magnifico is such a fun villain, the music is amazing, they could have gotten really playful with darkening the rooms an having the glowing wish orbs come out around the room held by the waitstaff suspended on a stick/string, or having the evil green magic spread across the ceiling like Elsa's magic in Arendelle. But I guess it didn't make enough money at the box office so... *sigh* Or, hear me out--how about a Descendants dinner? Kids and teens would go absolutely nuts for it, the songs are delightful, and its a movie themed entirely to heroes and villains

I'd be on board with Wish, I did enjoy the movie but it got dumped into theaters when they couldn't *market* it or they only had a couple days to market it.

I just want Scar singing Be prepared the whole time on a loop.

Edna Mode Sweet Shop: This makes zero sense. When we all were introduced to the sassy, sharp-talking fashion mogul in the Incredibles, the first thing we thought of was sugary sweet candy and ice cream, right? WRONG. She's not actually even a hero or a villain in this movie. At least have it actually be the Incredibles and pretend it's like their secret identity cover--a family business hiding in plain sight as an ice cream parlor but with hidden details that hint at their superhero identities. Or at least have it be something that would result in adorable treats, like Buzz lightyear or Zurg as the hero or villain with toy story themed cupcakes, or a Star Wars bakery with light side and dark side treats. This isn't rocket science, Disney, PLEASE JUST HAVE IT MAKE SENSE.

I do associate Edna with cookies though, all she does is feed Jack Jack cookies in the second movie.
 
This is the weirdest hodge-podge, nonsensical, thematically vomitous mess I've ever seen. What the heck, Disney?

Lion King Dinner: The Disney Wish Arendelle dinner is in my opinion, an absolute masterpiece. It has face characters that are absolutely beloved by the children on the ship, incredible songs, with a little humor thrown in for the parents (that Let it Go duet--so fun!), and gently soothing acoustic renditions of disney songs to enjoy while I eat between show scenes. So what do they do next with this venue? CATS. We basically get CATS. Instead of face characters beloved by kids of the current generation, we get people dressed vaguely to look sort of like lions with makeup and shaggy wigs, plus essentially a puppet show (per disney parks blog "theatrical props to represent the story and characters"). And they'll be delighting a room full of impatient kids sitting down for a 2 hr dinner by singing songs that haven't been popular since I was young in the 90s. And as parents, I'll get to "enjoy" eating dinner while listening to lyrics about munching on "slimy, but satisfying" slugs, uncontrollable flatulence, and wet warthog backsides. Lovely.

It just feels like a huge missed opportunity to really showcase some face characters and excellent music. Personally, I think the best would have been Disney's Wish movie--Magnifico is such a fun villain, the music is amazing, they could have gotten really playful with darkening the rooms an having the glowing wish orbs come out around the room held by the waitstaff suspended on a stick/string, or having the evil green magic spread across the ceiling like Elsa's magic in Arendelle. But I guess it didn't make enough money at the box office so... *sigh* Or, hear me out--how about a Descendants dinner? Kids and teens would go absolutely nuts for it, the songs are delightful, and its a movie themed entirely to heroes and villains! Heck, I wouldn't mind if they dug back in the past for older movies if they were actually well suited to the dinner live character musical concept, like Beauty and the Beast--picture actually being served your grey stuff dessert to an acoustic version of Be our Guest, while Gaston does his famous villain tavern number, and Belle and the Beast waltz on the center stage of a ballroom themed restaurant to "Tale as old as time...". But instead. CATS.

Edna Mode Sweet Shop: This makes zero sense. When we all were introduced to the sassy, sharp-talking fashion mogul in the Incredibles, the first thing we thought of was sugary sweet candy and ice cream, right? WRONG. She's not actually even a hero or a villain in this movie. At least have it actually be the Incredibles and pretend it's like their secret identity cover--a family business hiding in plain sight as an ice cream parlor but with hidden details that hint at their superhero identities. Or at least have it be something that would result in adorable treats, like Buzz lightyear or Zurg as the hero or villain with toy story themed cupcakes, or a Star Wars bakery with light side and dark side treats. This isn't rocket science, Disney, PLEASE JUST HAVE IT MAKE SENSE.

Frozen stage show: This is an amazing stage show. I love it on the fantasy. Absolutely zero to do with the hero and villain theme. Unless you count Hans as a villain, which is pretty weak. If they were going to repurpose a show from another ship, why not Tangled from the Disney Magic? It has an amazing villain with one of the best villain songs of all time.

Haunted Mansion Bar: Stop disney. Just stop. There is no hero, the ghosts are only villains in the loosest sense of the term, and you just got lazy and didn't want to shell out money to create a new concept so recycled what you had on the Treasure. Except, if you were going to recycle something for this space, why on earth would you pick this over the Wish's bar themed to Star Wars, an epic tale of good vs evil!!!! Ugh, the mental laziness of the concepts or this ship is just destroying me.

Cruella de Ville bar: Okay this is starting to sort of look like what I was thinking of when this theme was first announced. I can get on board with this one conceptually, but looking at the artwork, it just feels a bit bleh--everything is just black with white spots or red, which I get makes sense, but makes for a kind of dark and uninviting space with a one-note motif. I contrast it with something like Tiana's Bayou or Nightengale's on the Wish which have excellent detail to invoke those movies, and are beautiful and stunning to boot, and this just feels kind of phoned in on theme and borderline unpleasant aesthetically. Not somewhere I see myself spending a lot of time, which I guess I wouldn't be able to anyway since this venue is only open in the evenings.

Pirates of the Caribbean bar: This is fine. I guess. It sort of works here since some of the pirates in the movies are sort-of-heroes and some are definitely villains. But what kills me is this would have been absolutely PERFECT for the Treasure, and they didn't put it on that ship. Which is all I am going to be able to think about now when I go here.

Aquamouse Fantasia theme: This is great, actually. Kind of sad this is one of the best hero-villain themed elements on the ship given it often has a 40 minute+ wait for about 30 seconds worth of video before it turns into a regular ol' water slide like any other ship.

Room themes: The Hercules rooms are chef's kiss perfect. The artwork is gorgeous and on point for the theme. But at the end of the day, it's just a picture on a wall in a room that you'll mostly spend time in to sleep. Hercules would have made a magnificent atrium, stage show (which maybe? hopefully? we may still get), lounge, restaurant etc. etc. Just feels like a perfect tragically underutilized. I won't even comment on the concierge suite theming because they are behind a ridiculous paywall and the vast majority of the guests won't experience those rooms, so not relevant to whether this is a well-themed ship or not.

All the Marvel stuff: Okay so here's the deal. I really enjoy Marvel. I thought the Marvel show and kids club on the Wish was super cute. But this is a LOT of Marvel. We get two Marvel dinner shows, the Marvel kids club space, a Black Panther atrium, a Dr. Strange activity venue, AND a Spiderman hull character? With an entire history of disney heroes and villains to choose from, this just felt like they went a little "more cowbell" to me (IYKYK).

So at the end of the day, we get a cute wall painting, an adorable but short water slide video, and one, maybe two, thematically on-point bars, and a massive overdose of marvel. And the rest is just stupid. I've never been more disappointed by a disney reveal.

To be fair I'm guessing the Lion King dinner will be somewhat similar in costume design to the Animal Kingdom show - its not the worst thing they could do. I mean I would take a quiet meal over a dinner show any day, but the songs are pretty timeless - weird how it's taken Fosney 30 years to start using the Lion King (DCL plus potential park announcements at d23)
 
Putting Marvel on the bow and having a Marvel IP as a statue sends a message that they are completely leaning into IP's on ships going forward. Where with the Magic, Wonder, Dream, and Fantasy, they were sprinkled in but still made it feel like a classic ocean liner.

The new way is not really my preferred style, but I would be sailing without children, and fams/children are Disney's primary audience, and this appeals to them a lot more. I get it.
All of the ships have characters on the bow and in the atrium, as well as in the theater shows and in meets around the ship. Most of the main dining rooms have IP theming (the exception is Enchanted Garden on the Dream/Fantasy, which may change in the next dry docks). All of the ships have always had at least 1 themed dinner show (Animator's Palate).

It is true that the Triton-class ships have or will have IP theming in nearly all of their lounges, while the older ships have it in only some. But it should still be possible to stop by for a drink and ignore the theming most of the time.
 
All of the ships have characters on the bow and in the atrium, as well as in the theater shows and in meets around the ship. Most of the main dining rooms have IP theming (the exception is Enchanted Garden on the Dream/Fantasy, which may change in the next dry docks). All of the ships have always had at least 1 themed dinner show (Animator's Palate).

It is true that the Triton-class ships have or will have IP theming in nearly all of their lounges, while the older ships have it in only some. But it should still be possible to stop by for a drink and ignore the theming most of the time.

I definitely didn't pick up on an overt theme to the sports bar on the Wish? I vaguely remember seeing the octopus from finding dory with a mickey pretzel somewhere in there. But I was literally just stopping in to grab a drink to bring back to the room.
 
Lion King Dinner: So what do they do next with this venue? CATS. We basically get CATS. Instead of face characters beloved by kids of the current generation, we get people dressed vaguely to look sort of like lions with makeup and shaggy wigs, plus essentially a puppet show (per disney parks blog "theatrical props to represent the story and characters").

My guess/hope is it it's going to be more like the Broadway Lion King instead of Cats, and I thought the Broadway Lion King was amazing. They use puppets in that but it doesn't feel like a puppet show for little kids. That being said, I would loved Beauty and the Beast.

Edna Mode Sweet Shop: This makes zero sense. When we all were introduced to the sassy, sharp-talking fashion mogul in the Incredibles, the first thing we thought of was sugary sweet candy and ice cream, right? WRONG. She's not actually even a hero or a villain in this movie. At least have it actually be the Incredibles and pretend it's like their secret identity cover--a family business hiding in plain sight as an ice cream parlor but with hidden details that hint at their superhero identities. Or at least have it be something that would result in adorable treats, like Buzz lightyear or Zurg as the hero or villain with toy story themed cupcakes, or a Star Wars bakery with light side and dark side treats.

Edna does give Jack-Jack cookies and lollipop so it sort of makes sense. However, I think your idea to have the ice cream parlor be a family business or something that's a cover is fantastic. We have no idea what Honey Best (Lucius/Frozone's) wife does, so maybe she works/manages her family's ice-cream parlor. (This does run the risk of people absolutely freaking out and having a complete hissy fit because it's a Black character and people would say the ice-cream shop is "woke.")
 
As a massive Marvel AND Disney fan this ship is a huge draw to me and my family. My two daughters love Marvel and they were pumped when I showed them pictures of Spider Man.

Personally I'm really excited for the Sanctum and now I hope Star Wars gets heavily themed on an eventual ship.

I know it's not for everyone but this got me more excited and I'll definitely be booking it. I have nothing again Disney going heavy with IP, it's part of the appeal to me and my family. I guess for those who don't like it...there's the 4 original ships or other cruise lines.
 
My guess/hope is it it's going to be more like the Broadway Lion King instead of Cats, and I thought the Broadway Lion King was amazing. They use puppets in that but it doesn't feel like a puppet show for little kids. That being said, I would loved Beauty and the Beast.



Edna does give Jack-Jack cookies and lollipop so it sort of makes sense. However, I think your idea to have the ice cream parlor be a family business or something that's a cover is fantastic. We have no idea what Honey Best (Lucius/Frozone's) wife does, so maybe she works/manages her family's ice-cream parlor. (This does run the risk of people absolutely freaking out and having a complete hissy fit because it's a Black character and people would say the ice-cream shop is "woke.")
Yeah I did think about broadway and even the animal kingdom show but the concept art for the Destiny show looked like they were more relying on lion hair and makeup for actors, and they definitely couldn’t have the same kinds of large scale puppets on that little stage in the dining room with low ceilings.

I love the idea of a frozone ice cream parlor! Makes total sense with his superhero ability. In fact I’m pretty sure the Dream or the Fantasy has a frozone themed soft serve station, but a whole ice cream parlor would be better.
 
Showed my partner the video for the new destiny ship and the response was " Marvel isn't Disney to me " and they don't want to go on it, cause they feel its gonna be geared towards that. ( Although the lion king and haunted mansion bar look great to me )

I do agree though about Marvel in general. That does nothing for me and isn't " Disney " to me, but the kids probably love it now a days so I get it

Looks like I won't be on it sadly

Eh, is it really sad though? Disney is just covering their bases and as someone said upthread this seems like a natural answer to the Wish as a "Princess" ship. I'll have been on six ships as of May, which is already a lot, and with Adventure being a big ol' question mark and the OLC ship on the horizon as well, I think I'm OK with turning in my completionist badge for awhile.

I imagine if the Destiny starts doing interesting itineraries your husband would be willing to hold his nose; maybe we just need to wait some years. Heck, if it ends up being less popular maybe a drydock and reimaging will change some things. As it is I have minimal interest in this particular ship sailing where it does. Since its essentially the same floorplan as Wish and Treasure with different themes I get the gist anyway.

My guess/hope is it it's going to be more like the Broadway Lion King instead of Cats, and I thought the Broadway Lion King was amazing. They use puppets in that but it doesn't feel like a puppet show for little kids. That being said, I would loved Beauty and the Beast.



Edna does give Jack-Jack cookies and lollipop so it sort of makes sense. However, I think your idea to have the ice cream parlor be a family business or something that's a cover is fantastic. We have no idea what Honey Best (Lucius/Frozone's) wife does, so maybe she works/manages her family's ice-cream parlor. (This does run the risk of people absolutely freaking out and having a complete hissy fit because it's a Black character and people would say the ice-cream shop is "woke.")
There are also cookies involved with the Incredicoaster & Jack Jack's Cookie Num Nums in DL. As far as woke... the Atrium is Black Panther. I don't think Honey Best would really upset more people on top of those who already would be (of which I sincerely hope they are very very very few of sheesh), but Edna is more popular and recognizable anyway.
 
As a massive Marvel AND Disney fan this ship is a huge draw to me and my family. My two daughters love Marvel and they were pumped when I showed them pictures of Spider Man.

Personally I'm really excited for the Sanctum and now I hope Star Wars gets heavily themed on an eventual ship.

I know it's not for everyone but this got me more excited and I'll definitely be booking it. I have nothing again Disney going heavy with IP, it's part of the appeal to me and my family. I guess for those who don't like it...there's the 4 original ships or other cruise lines.
I'm not a fan of it, but I'm also not going to grab my pitchfork about it. I'll either:

1. Stick to the Original Four (maybe the Wish/Treasure)
2. Go with another cruise line and add a pre-trip stop at WDW
 
I love the idea of a frozone ice cream parlor! Makes total sense with his superhero ability. In fact I’m pretty sure the Dream or the Fantasy has a frozone themed soft serve station, but a whole ice cream parlor would be better.
The Fantasy has Frozone a themed smoothie place, which is probably what you were thinking of. I want this hypothetical ice cream parlor to be named "Always Chill" as a reference to the first line of his theme song "Who's the cat who's always chill."
 


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