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All the way through gradeschool, my kids complained when the entire class lost recess time because a few kids were misbehaving. This is just too much like that..

Yup!

So there you go. A very real example of how the more complicated Disney makes things, the more regimented they get, the more scheduled it feels, and the more I feel them viewing me as a problem (rather than a person).... the more I resist.

Yup again!

This is all an accounting game I refuse to play. We are people, not numbers. My solution: I'm simply not making any reservations a CC is required to hold unless it's a dinner show.

Good for you.

I'm still thinking on how I will do this.

There is the more work way:

I can make my ADRs 180 days in advance and then cancel in that 32-48 hours (full day noted), I still might have a good chance of getting my ADR back again!!:rotfl2: This way, if something legitimate IMHO prevents us from going, we won't get charged for nothing but it's also banking the odds that someone else won't want my ADR in that 48 hours. And if it's taken, no problem. There isn't a meal that I *have* to do in order to enjoy my vacation.

Since I'm a planner, this appeals to me and it's easy enough to cancel ADRs. Also allows me to have a better idea of what I want to eat in the next 2 days...

or there is the go with the flow way

Make no ADRs and cook in my villa, go off-site, just eat CS or try to snag a last minute ADR.

This doesn't appeal to me b/c I like to have more things planned ... but I can see the advantages of not having to worry about canceling on-time.

Hmmm...

I'm sure both sides are getting frustrated at this point. That said, none of this is personal to me. I may get frustrated, but I don't take any of it personally. The fact that someone doesn't agree with me doesn't mean I feel any less of them. We're all entitled to our opinion, & that is all it is. One opinion doesn't define a person.

I agree with you on the above -- and disagree with you on the dining policy! :laughing: But I just wanted to say thanks for the healthy discussion.

So many times these threads can get nasty ... but IMHO this hasn't done that and I'm thankful to everyone who contributes.
 
Agreed - sort of. And the main reason why is, that the new policy does not take away someone's flexibility. That "flexibility" is gone the moment you decide to make your ADRs. But that just illustrates why Disney had to do something. Clearly, far too many people felt that there was zero obligation on their part to show up for their ADRs. Too many people had the attitude of "If all goes right, we'll make that ADR. Otherwise, we'll just blow it off - it's no big deal."

Again we have no idea if Disney had to do anything. Last year (or was it 2 years ago?) the bean counters decided to generate $$$ with the peak surcharges. For all we know the new policy is this years money grab.

I can't think of any casual restaurant with cancellation penalties. Restaurants overbook, confirm reservations a day or two in advance and sometimes don't even accept reservations. Disney has large numbers of potential restaurant guests in the parks. I'll bold this We have no idea if Disney had to do anything.
 
Again we have no idea if Disney had to do anything. Last year (or was it 2 years ago?) the bean counters decided to generate $$$ with the peak surcharges. For all we know the new policy is this years money grab.

I think there is plenty of evidence in this thread alone that proves Disney needed to do something - all the poor excuses people have listed for blowing off ADRs, plus the statistics from Touring Plans stating that no-show rates range from 10% to 33%, depending on the month.


I can't think of any casual restaurant with cancellation penalties.


Can you think of any casual restaurants that accept reservations six months in advance? I doubt it. Comparing any restaurant outside of WDW with Disney dining is apples to oranges. They are giving people the opportunity to make a reservation a ridiculous amount of time in advance - something I do not agree with at all, but apparently a lot of people (particularly those who seem to have Disney's ear the most) want. In return, they expect that you show up for said reservation. Pretty reasonable, in my opinion. But since so many did not keep up their side of the bargain, they took action.
 
I also think the longer the cancellation notice required, the LESS likely it is people will indeed cancel. Once you miss the cutoff, what is the motivation to release that ADR? NONE. You're going to hold it at that point on the outside chance you might be well enough to still make it.

Agreed 100%! Like I posted before; if I have a Le Cellier ADR and it looks like we won't make it, and we are outside our cancellation window, I show up, order water then leave. I have made the ADR, but Disney has made no money.

Here is the perfect example of why this policy is not a good thing----

Two years ago we were at Disney in September on the free DDP. We woke up on the morning of our last full day to a sick child. He had a fever and just didn't feel well. Though he didn't appear to have a "major illness" we decided to check out a day early and drive home. I wanted him to see our pediatrician. Well, it turned out to be Swine flu, he and I both had it. So while some are touting how great this new policy is, they need to think about that child at the next table that even though he isn't vomiting on the table, he is shedding a virus that has the potential to kill.

Disney's position on it having to be a "major illness" is boarding on careless disregard for other guests. While I may have a slight cold and just feel a little run down, that baby at the next table could get RSV, or the lady behind me catch pneumonia because she has a compromised immune system; all because Disney said I have to have a "major illness" or pay a fine. Some have said that sick people should just stay in their room, but they won't. My son and I got Swine flu because sick people DON'T stay in their room.
 

Sorry, but I'm not hungry isn't an unfortunate circumstance. It's easily preventable. That's the reason you said you personally had canceled last minute or had been a no show early on in the thread.

I'm sure we all care about people with unfortunately circumstances. I definitely do. Frankly, I just remember the excuses given early in the thread, & know this isn't all about people being sick. It's about people wanting to continue canceling last minute or not show, because they're not hungry, want to ride another ride, the kids went swimming & now they're tired, the kids have been going all day & are cranky, the weather isn't perfect, someone is hungover, etc. I'm not buying what all the people who have now turned to the "sick" argument are selling. People are now thinking up any reason why someone may get sick & using that to attempt to bolster the argument. It's getting ridiculous. It's not like new people are coming here to add their personal story. It's the same people coming up with different excuses. I was trying to not be so blunt, but being accused of not caring about people, because you're not buying the never ending excuses people can come up with, is going too far. The reality is most of the things mentioned here can be managed, if it's given priority. Some people see previous commitments as priorities. Those who don't shouldn't make commitments. It's that simple.

For the people who originally mentioned loved ones getting sick on previous trips, I feel bad. They're paying for all those with other excuses, as are other guests. Unfortunately, guests have always had to pay the price for those who make ADRs months in advance, keeping others from getting in, then don't feel obligated to show up. People are upset that they'll no longer be able to book up the best restaurants, then decide if they want to show up last minute. So, who really doesn't consider other people?
I'd have to go back in the thread to find my exact wording, I don't believe I actually stated that I skipped one just because I wasn't hungry. I believe it was a "what if" scenario using a "not so good" excuse that wouldn't likely be waived. The whole point of it was to present a likely lowest point that I would find acceptable to cancel shortly ahead of time.

In fact, the meal I missed this year was due to a minor illness. Nothing major, I had the sniffles and overslept on my nap and woke up an hour after ADR time (ADR was for 5:30, I woke up at 6:30). It was the end of the trip, and my normal 2:30-3ish to 3:30-4ish nap went over. Until the time I woke up, I had every intention of going, and was even really looking forward to it (it was tied as my #1 meal from last trip). I had been feeling cruddy all week with a minor cold, though I did go to my ADRs that I had planned. Most of them I even got sat in a reasonable amount of time too! Just, this one evening, things didn't work out. I didn't mention this before, as it's not about that. Even under the changes I suggested, I would have been charged the $10 fee and I would have been OK with Disney with that (I probably would have been more annoyed at myself though :p)

Now, I don't have an issue with those who think they must make their own family make every ADR they sign up for every time without even considering canceling them after the window closes. That's there business, not mine. I have an issue with Disney penalizing the wrong people in a lackluster effort to curtail behavior which they can better control with other methods. Of course, those other methods aren't a nearly guaranteed source of income, so it's no wonder why Disney went this way.

The more recent information from the CMs (and since much of them are spouting identical information, it's hard to claim the typical CM making stuff up like) screams that it's all about additional revenue. Either by charging the $10pp fee, or by forcing said families to the table, even though it may not be in anyone's best interest to have them there. Disney has now made the decision that their bottom line is more important than their guests' well being and than guest satisfaction. That is not a precedent that I like seeing.

Now, I get that no shows are bad. I understand that portion of it, and I think most, if not all, of us who are on this side of the fence do as well. What I don't agree with, and the same sentiment is shown by others on this thread, is the design and implementation of this "all or nothing" policy. It strangles families who may have unexpected issues come up, while not truly addressing those that cause the bulk of the issues. One big step would have been widening the ADR window that locks you out, instead of 90 minutes or so, go for 6 hours. Write the website to make sense. Check names and numbers on all the ADRs and be pro-active in calling people up who may be multi-booking. Automatically cancel any tied ADRs to package reservations that get canceled due to non-payment at 30 days. Force CMs to work with guests if they're canceling reservations over the phone. In other words, put the resources to stop the root of the problem instead of smashing the hammer down on those who are very unlikely to be the problem.

Then again, I could go on for hours (and I've already been typing for 1...) typing out my arguments, but will just be told that "It doesn't matter what you think, Disney is all that matters" from the fan-club.

I think there is plenty of evidence in this thread alone that proves Disney needed to do something - all the poor excuses people have listed for blowing off ADRs, plus the statistics from Touring Plans stating that no-show rates range from 10% to 33%, depending on the month.
"Blowing off" and having to cancel at the last(ish) minute are two different things. Blowing off suggests no real intent in the first place. A last minute cancellation suggests they had intent and desired to dine at that location. Of course, it doesn't hold true across the board, but I'd bet that most of those who actually blow off an ADR are not those who have something come up unexpectedly.

As far as the statistics, they only tell half the story. That's the base problem with statistics taken out of context. We don't know why January has such a high rate. We don't know why the 10% months have such a low (relatively) rate. The questions should be, why are these months so out of proportion with the others? What are the key differences in travelers and other external factors that could account for this disparity? How can we address those issues while maintaining the same level of guest satisfaction and experience? If you just look at the numbers, you're basically saying that the people traveling in Jan/Feb (or whatever other 33% level months there are) are almost all abusing the system and deserve not to have any ADRs. The policy of just bringing the hammer down suggests that they didn't bother with this and just said "Screw them all. If they don't like it, they'll pay us anyway!"

Sadly, that will likely hold true.
 
I think there is plenty of evidence in this thread alone that proves Disney needed to do something - all the poor excuses people have listed for blowing off ADRs, plus the statistics from Touring Plans stating that no-show rates range from 10% to 33%, depending on the month.





Can you think of any casual restaurants that accept reservations six months in advance? I doubt it. Comparing any restaurant outside of WDW with Disney dining is apples to oranges. They are giving people the opportunity to make a reservation a ridiculous amount of time in advance - something I do not agree with at all, but apparently a lot of people (particularly those who seem to have Disney's ear the most) want. In return, they expect that you show up for said reservation. Pretty reasonable, in my opinion. But since so many did not keep up their side of the bargain, they took action.

This is your opinion, in my opinion MOST people have had valid excuses. But no one seems to be in favor of completely blowing off ADRs, quite the contrary, most people that dont like this policy are saying charge the true no shows, give a more reasonable window, and work better to fill those seats with walkups or getting the word out that a time slot is available.
 
no one seems to be in favor of completely blowing off ADRs, quite the contrary, most people that dont like this policy are saying charge the true no shows, give a more reasonable window, and work better to fill those seats with walkups or getting the word out that a time slot is available.

Yup, yup!!:thumbsup2

I still maintain the same -- charge those who are no-shows, don't penalize your customers who cancel in advance. Try that first -- be reasonable, Disney!

How many of you have tried to cancel an ADR only to be told, "oh, you don't need to call us ... no one does"? I have. The CM in the past have acted surprised when we called to cancel.

Let's try to actually do the ADR system and let the guests cancel prior to their meals and only charge those who don't cancel prior. Then if that doesn't work, I could see moving to a more dramatic and traumatic system, like advance notice of some number of hours required.

This new dining policy just cuts down the whole apple tree instead of removing the dead branch.
 
This is your opinion, in my opinion MOST people have had valid excuses. But no one seems to be in favor of completely blowing off ADRs, quite the contrary, most people that dont like this policy are saying charge the true no shows, give a more reasonable window, and work better to fill those seats with walkups or getting the word out that a time slot is available.

Absolutely agree! But instead, if you don't like the announced policy, you are labeled an ADR abuser who is only out for what benefits you the most.

I had another thought on all this. Why didn't they institute their cancellation hotline before now?
 
There isn't a single piece of evidence in this thread which proves such a thing. Disney doesn't release such statistics. They don't release them to internet sites such as DIS or Touring Plans. The only thing we know for sure is Disney has found a new revenue stream.

The issue isn't no-shows. The issue isn't even if no-shows vary by month. The issue is if Disney can predict no-shows enough to overbook. None of us have access to those numbers. edited to add. I won't even concede wide, unpredictable. variations prove anything. I don't think no-shows resulting from weather issues is an issue to penalize guests for.

People aren't listing "poor excuses". They are listing reasons why regular people need to change their plans with short notice. We have posters which say some parents send sick kids to school. May be true but that means those parents may be wrong, not the parents who don't want to bring a sick kid into the buffet line in a restaurant.


We'll never see the numbers but I wonder know how many people book at 180 days, never make the trip but never cancel. How many people book ADRs they can't possibly keep. Same meal, same restaurant but different times. Different restaurants, same meal. Three meals a day when you know your meal plan, budget or appetite won't permit you to keep all 3 ADRs.
Those are the "bad" guests.

Cruise ships have a process in place for dealing with outbreaks of norovirus. They include replacing guest service at buffets with staff service. Does anyone think Disney is staffed to have CMs serve us at the buffet line?

Posters are correct Disney encourages guests to make lots of ADRs. Make a resort reservation and you get a hard sell for the DDP. Book the DDP and your told to make ADRs or run the risk of not getting into restaurants. At no time are guests asked to cancel ADRs they won't be keeping. The opposite was true. We were told our ADRs aren't real reservations.


edited to add--What about people who book ADRs at 180 days before they book their flights and hotel. How an they possibly be making a "commitment" to that meal when they don't even know if they'll be taking the trip. I'll say if there is a problem it starts with the 180 day policy. I don't care if those people eventually cancel their ADR. It affects the way "normal" guests have to plan their vacation. Face it normal guests make dining reservations after they have firm plans.


I think there is plenty of evidence in this thread alone that proves Disney needed to do something - all the poor excuses people have listed for blowing off ADRs, plus the statistics from Touring Plans stating that no-show rates range from 10% to 33%, depending on the month.





Can you think of any casual restaurants that accept reservations six months in advance? I doubt it. Comparing any restaurant outside of WDW with Disney dining is apples to oranges. They are giving people the opportunity to make a reservation a ridiculous amount of time in advance - something I do not agree with at all, but apparently a lot of people (particularly those who seem to have Disney's ear the most) want. In return, they expect that you show up for said reservation. Pretty reasonable, in my opinion. But since so many did not keep up their side of the bargain, they took action.
 
How many of you have tried to cancel an ADR only to be told, "oh, you don't need to call us ... no one does"? I have. The CM in the past have acted surprised when we called to cancel.

Yes, this has happened to me.

edited to add--What about people who book ADRs at 180 days before they book their flights and hotel. How an they possibly be making a "commitment" to that meal when they don't even know if they'll be taking the trip. I'll say if there is a problem it starts with the 180 day policy. I don't care if those people eventually cancel their ADR. It affects the way "normal" guests have to plan their vacation. Face it normal guests make dining reservations after they have firm plans.

Absolutely. I just did this....

Just got back from a work conference in Orlando. Upon finding out I'd be there for work, I started making tentative plans to add on some vacation time... It was already well within the 180 day window at this point. So the first thing I did was to look at the park hours for that week and make ADRs--just in case we might go. No hotel booked, no flight booked, and no affirmation from my husband that we would do this.

But yes, I made the ADRs. Because I figured by the time he gave me a firm response, there would be even fewer dining choices available.

Turns out we didn't tack on a vacation to the trip. As SOON as I knew that, I cancelled the ADRs. (By the way... it took like an hour to cancel them, because the Disney website / online system sucks so much.)

How many people do this kind of thing and never cancel?
 
Written by racefanof88: While I may have a slight cold and just feel a little run down, that baby at the next table could get RSV, or the lady behind me catch pneumonia because she has a compromised immune system; all because Disney said I have to have a "major illness" or pay a fine. Some have said that sick people should just stay in their room, but they won't. My son and I got Swine flu because sick people DON'T stay in their room.
I can only speak for myself, but if I had a "slight cold" & just felt a little run down I'd most likely still be up doing stuff. Do people stay in their rooms on a Disney vacation because they have a slight cold? Even during the days when we toured the parks during the day I'd mostly likely hang at the pool to relax if I felt run down.

Even at home, a "slight cold" doesn't stop me. I may go to bed earlier or try to rest a bit more, but life goes on.
 
I think there is plenty of evidence in this thread alone that proves Disney needed to do something - all the poor excuses people have listed for blowing off ADRs, plus the statistics from Touring Plans stating that no-show rates range from 10% to 33%, depending on the month.





Can you think of any casual restaurants that accept reservations six months in advance? I doubt it. Comparing any restaurant outside of WDW with Disney dining is apples to oranges. They are giving people the opportunity to make a reservation a ridiculous amount of time in advance - something I do not agree with at all, but apparently a lot of people (particularly those who seem to have Disney's ear the most) want. In return, they expect that you show up for said reservation. Pretty reasonable, in my opinion. But since so many did not keep up their side of the bargain, they took action.

Another thought on the "poor excuse", I dont want the "poor excuses" dining next to me...I dont want the overtired, overstimulate, missed nap kids sitting next to me. I dont want the kids or the dad who is annoyed that they had to come to an ADR soaking wet. Or the cranky grandpa who thinks WDW is a waste of money and they made him come out in the cold when his arthritis is acting up. If those guests would be happier back at their resort, eating there, or doing quick CS then I would like them there so my TS can be pleasant. And if you impose this fee, you will have more people like this dining around you, we already do! but if that family is at risk of losing $50+ they are more likely to try and keep it when they shouldnt
 
It was me who used the hungover excuse.

Now before you get your pitchforks handy- lets discuss the situation.

From what I have been reading, there are two types of people gun-ho on this issue- those that believe that skipping ADRs means lost revenue for Disney (bad) and those that believe that it is immoral to take a reservation when someone else might want it (bad).

OK, so lets discuss my specific hungover situation. My family travels together- all eight of us. The fist night of our vacation we were so happy to all be back together we staked out a location in the bellvue lounge and hung out there catching up and reconnecting for the rest of the night, until they kicked us out of the bar. We were good customers, so I think they even let us stay longer than usual. That evening we rang up a $700 bar tab (my dad still talks about having to pay for it ;) ).

The next morning some members of our party were not feeling up to the 9 am breakfast. When I realized there was no rousing them, I called Disney dining and canceled the reservation.

OK, so here is the breakdown- Disney could have gotten $281.12 for our breakfast- instead they got $700 (plus tip). That is a net gain for Disney of at least 418.88. I think any bean counter would be happy with that kind of math. Disney won in that situation.

OK, I also canceled the reservation around 7:30am, so some pitiable first timer staying at the contemporary who knew nothing about ADRs, was now able to walk up to the podium, and enjoy breakfast with Mickey- that is a win for the little guy!

So if Disney wins financially, and the little guy wins as well, and my family had a wonderful evening, where are the losers, why is this such a terrible scenario?
 
It was me who used the hungover excuse.

Now before you get your pitchforks handy- lets discuss the situation.

From what I have been reading, there are two types of people gun-ho on this issue- those that believe that skipping ADRs means lost revenue for Disney (bad) and those that believe that it is immoral to take a reservation when someone else might want it (bad).

OK, so lets discuss my specific hungover situation. My family travels together- all eight of us. The fist night of our vacation we were so happy to all be back together we staked out a location in the bellvue lounge and hung out there catching up and reconnecting for the rest of the night, until they kicked us out of the bar. We were good customers, so I think they even let us stay longer than usual. That evening we rang up a $700 bar tab (my dad still talks about having to pay for it ;) ).

The next morning some members of our party were not feeling up to the 9 am breakfast. When I realized there was no rousing them, I called Disney dining and canceled the reservation.

OK, so here is the breakdown- Disney could have gotten $281.12 for our breakfast- instead they got $700 (plus tip). That is a net gain for Disney of at least 418.88. I think any bean counter would be happy with that kind of math. Disney won in that situation.

OK, I also canceled the reservation around 7:30am, so some pitiable first timer staying at the contemporary who knew nothing about ADRs, was now able to walk up to the podium, and enjoy breakfast with Mickey- that is a win for the little guy!

So if Disney wins financially, and the little guy wins as well, and my family had a wonderful evening, where are the losers, why is this such a terrible scenario?


But you have to think like Disney.

Under the new scheme, they would get $700 PLUS $10 a head the following morning (I assume you were a large party, so maybe upwards of $100). AND if you still call to cancel (after the window closes), they will still fill your spot with a walk-up.



......win........ Win........ WIN! (in the eyes of the Disney bean counters)
 
Some NYC restaurants in the Theater district only accept reservations 30 days in advance. By then customers already have their theater tickets.

JMO but there is something wrong with a system that results in potential guests booking ADRs months before a possible trip when guests booking a package with Disney a few weeks later find no availability.

I don't blame you, I blame the system. I think 180 day ADRS, if offered at all, should be limited to guests with a Disney resort reservation. Limit the number of ADRs they can make and cancel all their ADRs if they cancel their resort.



But yes, I made the ADRs. Because I figured by the time he gave me a firm response, there would be even fewer dining choices available.

Turns out we didn't tack on a vacation to the trip. As SOON as I knew that, I cancelled the ADRs. (By the way... it took like an hour to cancel them, because the Disney website / online system sucks so much.)

How many people do this kind of thing and never cancel?
 
OK, so here is the breakdown- Disney could have gotten $281.12 for our breakfast- instead they got $700 (plus tip). That is a net gain for Disney of at least 418.88. I think any bean counter would be happy with that kind of math. Disney won in that situation.
Serious question.......for some reason I thought I had heard somewhere that each Disney restaurant/lounge is individually responsible for their own profits/losses, etc. Almost like an independently owned organization.

BTW - sounds like your family had a great time!
 
Serious question.......for some reason I thought I had heard somewhere that each Disney restaurant/lounge is individually responsible for their own profits/losses, etc. Almost like an independently owned organization.

BTW - sounds like your family had a great time!

Maybe----Do we even know if the cancellation fee is going to be credited to the restaurant?
 
Some NYC restaurants in the Theater district only accept reservations 30 days in advance. By then customers already have their theater tickets.

JMO but there is something wrong with a system that results in potential guests booking ADRs months before a possible trip when guests booking a package with Disney a few weeks later find no availability.

I don't blame you, I blame the system. I think 180 day ADRS, if offered at all, should be limited to guests with a Disney resort reservation. Limit the number of ADRs they can make and cancel all their ADRs if they cancel their resort.

I'm one of the few out there who wants to find a way to make the 180 days still work. Certain dining experiences are an important part of our visit, and I want to know well in advance if I can get in. For example, we went to the MK in 09 for my daughter's birthday and I wanted to know if we could eat at CRT on her birthday. That was during the 90 day ADR policy. It was really not fun planning a trip most of the year with no ide whether the signature piece of our day would be available.

And for those of you wanting a shorter window to book, I completely understand, but it was HORRIBLE trying to book with a shorter window with busy lines and frozen computer screens. Having it at 180 days spreads it out to make it manageable.

That said, it certainly does encourage the problem with overbooking. I think if you book at a Disney resort, you should get a code you can enter X number of times, good for one ADR per day or whatever. Then open it up to off-site guests at a later date. I think that would do WONDERS to solve this problem.
 
Maybe----Do we even know if the cancellation fee is going to be credited to the restaurant?

I can see Disney keeping the fee sinc the restaurant will already win by being fully booked with all tables full of paying diners (with walk-ups and last minute ADR's). Right?
 
Lewisc, I completely agree.

I booked those ADRs in July, for October. So it was three months in advance. While booking them, I kept thinking... This is crazy. I'm making reservations for a trip that might not--probably won't--even happen... three months in advance.

I actually had a momentary pang of guilt over the whole thing! Like... was I booking reservations that other people who are definitely going might want? But then I decided... you know what? If other people are definitely going, they have the same opportunity I do to make their ADRs. In fact if other people are like us and only considering going, they have the same opportunity I do! And once it was clear we weren't making a family trip of it, they all got cancelled.

But the whole thing is silly! I don't WANT to be staring at park hours and scheduling ADRs for a potential trip three months in advance... but that's how the game is played now. :confused3

On the other hand, I will say this... at three months in advance there were still a LOT of choices. Can't remember what I had booked anymore, but it wasn't bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Le Cellier was available, Chef Mickey's...

We're now three months out from our January trip, and while I haven't checked the dining system for a couple weeks, there was also PLENTY available last I checked (earlier this month) for that time period, too.

Now, end of October and especially end of January aren't peak times. ;) There is, however, free dining during that January period. And still tons of stuff available.... 89 days away.

Do they really even NEED a 180-day window? What is the reasoning?
 














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