My poor baby has to eat cheese

[joviroxx]

A cheese sandwich with no warning would be a hugh issue for me, as my child is allergic to cheese. I would love to see them deny my kid food because all they were feeding them is a cheese sandwich. Luckily I live in an area where the kids have a little more common sense and there are always multiple parents and staff in the cafeteria, that place is run like a tight ship. If they even get too loud they have a gentleman there that makes an announcement that they have to have a certain time of silence. But I stand my my statement that if for some unforeseen reason they tried to give my child a cheese sandwich with no alternative, there would be hell to pay.

It wasn't apparently, without warning. It is school policy and as such, every responsible parent should be aware of school policy. EVERY PARENT. The consequence for a food fight was known, cheese sandwich or not. Don't take it out on the school, take it up with the children and the their parents.

We've become too much of a society of not holding each other accountable. There is always an excuse or a reason to "forgive" so we end up blaming and taking it out on establishments like schools, businesses, governments, etc.

The rule is the rule, the consequence was known. No need to complain. Teach these kids the laws of actions and reactions. And yes, group discipline is a good thing. It teaches us that we are all responsible for ourselves and the good of each other as a group.

Im one of 5 kids. When one of us would act up, at times we were all punished. Ive been on teams when some of us were goofing off, sometimes we all got the consequence. Keeps people realizing we are accountable to each other as well as ourselves.

I see nothing wrong with what the school did. And as I teach my kids, we might not like the rules, we might not agree with them, but when you are aware of them, and have to follow them, you respect them while they exist . Feel free however to try to change them in the proper way but until them, it is what it is.

 

[mhsjax]

It wasn't apparently, without warning. It is school policy and as such, every responsible parent should be aware of school policy. EVERY PARENT. The consequence for a food fight was knows, cheese sandwich or not. Don't take it out on the school, take it up with the children and the their parents.

We've become too much of a soceity of not holding each other accountable. There is always an excuse or a reason to "forgive" so we end up blaming and taking it out on establishments like schools, businesses, governments, etc.

The rule is the rule, the consequence was known. No need to complain. Teach these kids the laws of actions and reactions. And yes, group discipline is a good thing. It teaches us that we are all responsible for ourselves and the good of each other as a group.

Im one of 5 kids. When one of us would act up, at times we were all punished. Ive been on teams when some of us were goofing off, sometimes we all got the consequence. Keeps people realizing we are accountable to each other as well as ourselves.

I see nothing wrong with what the school did. And as I teach my kids, we might not like the rules, we might not agree with them, but when you are aware of them, and have to follow them, you respect them while they exist . Feel free however to try to change them in the proper way but until them, it is what it is.

No it isn't what it is, How do the parentn actually know when there is a food fight, not all kids tell their parents, some kids don't ask. And my kids no what consequences are. If they are fighting they all get pushined I don't try and find out who started it. My beef is with the food served, everyone gets peanut allergies, the cafeteria wouldn't dare serve something with peanuts and no other choice, but why is it ok to serve cheese. There are plenty of kids with that allergy, oh I guess you say too bad, let them have an allergic reaction to learn the consequences., And if you can't see a problem with a kid being allergic to cheese and that is all there is to eat, then you have a big problem. But like I said, I live in a resonable district, they do things like schools did back in the day. Shoot the even have in God we trust on the cafeteria wall, and no it isn't a private school. Thank God I am where I am and no up in Jersey.

 

[princessmom29]

A cheese sandwich with no warning would be a hugh issue for me, as my child is allergic to cheese. I would love to see them deny my kid food because all they were feeding them is a cheese sandwich. Luckily I live in an area where the kids have a little more common sense and there are always multiple parents and staff in the cafeteria, that place is run like a tight ship. If they even get too loud they have a gentleman there that makes an announcement that they have to have a certain time of silence. But I stand my my statement that if for some unforeseen reason they tried to give my child a cheese sandwich with no alternative, there would be hell to pay.

I teach in an inner city school. Our kids would just laugh at someone who told them they had a silent lunch. It would truly be a joke ot try to enforce that. We do have the occasional food fight. I spent 15-20 min of my class last month dealing with the fallout when some of my honor students were sitting in between two tables throwing food. They not throwing food, but were covered to the point that they all had to change shirts and several girls had to wash their hair in the bathroom sinks. It is REALLY, REALLY disruptive to the class after lunch. Every cafeteria, at least in our system, is required to have alternatives on hand at all times for kis with food allergies, several of them. Our school keeps plain pasta, a couple of veg choices, a cheese sandwich, and a pbj that I know of on hand at all times. I don't think a kid with a cheese allergy would go hungry, and I think that this is a great idea for curtailing food fights, and would likely be pretty effective. If a child's worst problem is 2 days of cheese sandwiches, they are in good shape! I cannot believe that this mom complained about it, and went so far as to act like the lack of condiments was some kind of travesty. The real world reality is that sometimes the innocent suffer along with the guilty. Sometimes it is the only way to take care of something like this where there is no way to pinpoint who is involved and who is not.

 

[joviroxx]

No it isn't what it is, How do the parentn actually know when there is a food fight, not all kids tell their parents, some kids don't ask. And my kids no what consequences are. If they are fighting they all get pushined I don't try and find out who started it. My beef is with the food served, everyone gets peanut allergies, the cafeteria wouldn't dare serve something with peanuts and no other choice, but why is it ok to serve cheese. There are plenty of kids with that allergy, oh I guess you say too bad, let them have an allergic reaction to learn the consequences., And if you can't see a problem with a kid being allergic to cheese and that is all there is to eat, then you have a big problem. But like I said, I live in a resonable district, they do things like schools did back in the day. Shoot the even have in God we trust on the cafeteria wall, and no it isn't a private school. Thank God I am where I am and no up in Jersey.

Sure, but his is a high school, NOT an elementary school, right? These kids are old enough to know what is what and accept the consequences. They are also old enough to be responsible for the consequence and for themselves. I don't see this as sprung on them. They could come home and tell their parents they need to take a lunch, or wait! Shocking! They could make their own lunch to take to school! Or heck, deal with the consequence and not each lunch for one day becuase they are allergic to cheese, it won't kill them. They are teens, some almost 18, they are not little children.

Now, if this were middle or elementary school, I might see your argument, but they aren't.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

No it isn't what it is, How do the parentn actually know when there is a food fight, not all kids tell their parents, some kids don't ask. And my kids no what consequences are. If they are fighting they all get pushined I don't try and find out who started it. My beef is with the food served, everyone gets peanut allergies, the cafeteria wouldn't dare serve something with peanuts and no other choice, but why is it ok to serve cheese. There are plenty of kids with that allergy, oh I guess you say too bad, let them have an allergic reaction to learn the consequences., And if you can't see a problem with a kid being allergic to cheese and that is all there is to eat, then you have a big problem. But like I said, I live in a resonable district, they do things like schools did back in the day. Shoot the even have in God we trust on the cafeteria wall, and no it isn't a private school. Thank God I am where I am and no up in Jersey.

Dairy allergies are not as prevalent as peanut. No parent (that we are aware of) is complaining that little Suzie was not able to eat due to an allergy. In that case--it would be within reason for a DOCUMENTED and FULLY DISCLOSED AND PROVEN allergy--to serve an alternative "basic" meal.

But that isn't the case. A parent is complaining that their little snowflake is being treated harshly.

It isn't logical to have this argument when that isn't the complaint of the parents in the first place.

And these are high school age children for crying out loud. Mom and dad don't have to be clued in if their snowflake doesn't give them the scoop.
The consequence occurred during school hours without disruption to the school day.

The onus is on the students and the parent to be aware of school rules and consequences.

Ignorance of the rules is no excuse.

 

[mhsjax]

I teach in an inner city school. Our kids would just laugh at someone who told them they had a silent lunch. It would truly be a joke ot try to enforce that. We do have the occasional food fight. I spent 15-20 min of my class last month dealing with the fallout when some of my honor students were sitting in between two tables throwing food. They not throwing food, but were covered to the point that they all had to change shirts and several girls had to wash their hair in the bathroom sinks. It is REALLY, REALLY disruptive to the class after lunch. Every cafeteria, at least in our system, is required to have alternatives on hand at all times for kis with food allergies, several of them. Our school keeps plain pasta, a couple of veg choices, a cheese sandwich, and a pbj that I know of on hand at all times. I don't think a kid with a cheese allergy would go hungry, and I think that this is a great idea for curtailing food fights, and would likely be pretty effective. If a child's worst problem is 2 days of cheese sandwiches, they are in good shape! I cannot believe that this mom complained about it, and went so far as to act like the lack of condiments was some kind of travesty. The real world reality is that sometimes the innocent suffer along with the guilty. Sometimes it is the only way to take care of something like this where there is no way to pinpoint who is involved and who is not.

I have no problem with the cheese sandwich, I have a problem with a kid being allergic to it and I am so tired of having to explain my kids allergy. and maybe since the kids in your school can't be expected to be quiet for 2 minutes, then how can anyone expect to control a food fight, wow. I was in our cafeteria the other day and I saw the man make his announcement and with 30 seconds you could hear a fork drop. I guess if we can get our kids to be quiet, then I don't have to worry about them eating cheese.

 

[mhsjax]

Dairy allergies are not as prevalent as peanut. No parent (that we are aware of) is complaining that little Suzie was not able to eat due to an allergy. In that case--it would be within reason for a DOCUMENTED and FULLY DISCLOSED AND PROVEN allergy--to serve an alternative "basic" meal.

But that isn't the case. A parent is complaining that their little snowflake is being treated harshly.

It isn't logical to have this argument when that isn't the complaint of the parents in the first place.

And these are high school age children for crying out loud. Mom and dad don't have to be clued in if their snowflake doesn't give them the scoop.
The consequence occurred during school hours without disruption to the school day.

The onus is on the students and the parent to be aware of school rules and consequences.

Ignorance of the rules is no excuse.

I have to admit, I didn't read that they were high school student. My bad. Then I do agree, and even if it wasn't high school but elementary I still wouldn't not object as long as they offered something other than cheese.

 

[Ceila]

No it isn't what it is, How do the parentn actually know when there is a food fight, not all kids tell their parents, some kids don't ask. And my kids no what consequences are. If they are fighting they all get pushined I don't try and find out who started it. My beef is with the food served, everyone gets peanut allergies, the cafeteria wouldn't dare serve something with peanuts and no other choice, but why is it ok to serve cheese. There are plenty of kids with that allergy, oh I guess you say too bad, let them have an allergic reaction to learn the consequences., And if you can't see a problem with a kid being allergic to cheese and that is all there is to eat, then you have a big problem. But like I said, I live in a resonable district, they do things like schools did back in the day. Shoot the even have in God we trust on the cafeteria wall, and no it isn't a private school. Thank God I am where I am and no up in Jersey.

By high school a student with a dairy allergy should be responsible enough to tell their parents that they need to pack lunch (or make it themselves!) the next day or two because of a food fight.

ETA: We were posting at the same time. I now see that you didn't know that they are high school students. I have to say, though, that I'm sure the school would have served students with dairy allergies something other than cheese sandwiches. Nobody said "too bad, let them have an allergic reaction to learn the consequences."

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have to admit, I didn't read that they were high school student. My bad. Then I do agree, and even if it wasn't high school but elementary I still wouldn't not object as long as they offered something other than cheese.

I can see your point and agree.

Thankfully, it doesn't seem to have been an issue.

It only goes as far as disdain for the dish and the lack of mayo.

 

[mhsjax]

I can see your point and agree.

Thankfully, it doesn't seem to have been an issue.

It only goes as far as disdain for the dish and the lack of mayo.

NOw, not including Mayo is grounds for a really big fight, and it better be Duke's.

 

[locolala]

Sure, but his is a high school, NOT an elementary school, right? These kids are old enough to know what is what and accept the consequences. They are also old enough to be responsible for the consequence and for themselves. I don't see this as sprung on them. They could come home and tell their parents they need to take a lunch, or wait! Shocking! They could make their own lunch to take to school! Or heck, deal with the consequence and not each lunch for one day becuase they are allergic to cheese, it won't kill them. They are teens, some almost 18, they are not little children.

Now, if this were middle or elementary school, I might see your argument, but they aren't.

I completely agree here! It isn't gonna kill these kids to go without lunch for a couple of days. Most of the time in HS, we didn't even EAT lunch.. we just sat around and talked.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

NOw, not including Mayo is grounds for a really big fight, and it better be Duke's.

My DH would have been crying if they had mayo on it. He simply cannot stand it.

I've traded bun tops with him and wiped off his mayo on burgers where they didn't remember that he wanted no mayo. Now we check at the drive through window---but in any case, mayo disgusts him to no end. So I empathize and clean up the evidence as best as we can. Or I'll trade sammies if the damage from the mayo is too much. That's love, right there.

 

[mhsjax]

My DH would have been crying if they had mayo on it. He simply cannot stand it.

I've traded bun tops with him and wiped off his mayo on burgers where they didn't remember that he wanted no mayo. Now we check at the drive through window---but in any case, mayo disgusts him to no end. So I empathize and clean up the evidence as best as we can. Or I'll trade sammies if the damage from the mayo is too much. That's love, right there.

Yep, lots of people really dislike the stuff, I wish I did. It would be a great way to cut calories.

 

[princessmom29]

I have no problem with the cheese sandwich, I have a problem with a kid being allergic to it and I am so tired of having to explain my kids allergy. and maybe since the kids in your school can't be expected to be quiet for 2 minutes, then how can anyone expect to control a food fight, wow. I was in our cafeteria the other day and I saw the man make his announcement and with 30 seconds you could hear a fork drop. I guess if we can get our kids to be quiet, then I don't have to worry about them eating cheese.

I can absolutely see a problem if there is no alternative for a kid with an allergy. That would never happen here because there is a plan in place. When you deal with kids who have never been taught respect or how to behave at home something like a silent lunch is really an impossibility. It would take at least oen adult at every table, and 100's of students being suspended for noncompliance. It would be ineffective and not worth the effort, but food is commodity for these kids and giving them sandwiches for 2 days would definitely send a message. We have a 75% free lunch population and sometimes the food they get at school is all they get. I cannot fathom why some of them choose to throw it, but they do. A good bit of their life centers around food, and when and how they are going to get it. They would totally get the message after 2 days of cheese sandwiches, but I don't think it would happen becuase we would have irate parents beating down the doors, and we have the kind of parents that end up arrested for disorderly after throwing a fit in the office. It happens several times a year. Thes are the people who raise children the children that would laugh at a silent lunch.

 

[mhsjax]

I can absolutely see a problem if there is no alternative for a kid with an allergy. That would never happen here because there is a plan in place. When you deal with kids who have never been taught respect or how to behave at home something like a silent lunch is really an impossibility. It would take at least oen adult at every table, and 100's of students being suspended for noncompliance. It would be ineffective and not worth the effort, but food is commodity for these kids and giving them sandwiches for 2 days would definitely send a message. We have a 75% free lunch population and sometimes the food they get at school is all they get. I cannot fathom why some of them choose to throw it, but they do. A good bit of their life centers around food, and when and how they are going to get it. They would totally get the message after 2 days of cheese sandwiches, but I don't think it would happen becuase we would have irate parents beating down the doors, and we have the kind of parents that end up arrested for disorderly after throwing a fit in the office. It happens several times a year. Thes are the people who raise children the children that would laugh at a silent lunch.

Yeah, I guess I realy can't compare my kids school to yours. We are really fortunate here, Sort of live in a bubble really. Most kids are pretty respectful and I have to admit that the percentage of kids on free lunch at my kids school os probably under 3%. We are very blessed in that area.
My niece taught in a school like your for several years, it was really bad. She had to leave, some of the stories were so sad that she just couldn't deal with it anymore.

 

[princessmom29]

Yeah, I guess I realy can't compare my kids school to yours. We are really fortunate here, Sort of live in a bubble really. Most kids are pretty respectful and I have to admit that the percentage of kids on free lunch at my kids school os probably under 3%. We are very blessed in that area.
My niece taught in a school like your for several years, it was really bad. She had to leave, some of the stories were so sad that she just couldn't deal with it anymore.

My DD is only in elementary school, but she goes to a medium sized private school that is a lot like what you are describing. I think the high school kids would react exactly as you are describing. We have a split population in our school. The 25% that are not free lunch are bussed in for our high level academic magnet programs. These are the kids that I teach, and were caught in the middle of the latest food fight. Balancing the two populations is a challenge, and i have seen it from both sides. I have taught everything from 9th grade special ed to 12th grade honors since I have been here. Iti struly two different worlds.

 

[luvsJack]

I would hardly call a cheese sandwich "crumbs"

You should be taught to be thankful for a "free ride".

I didn't say a cheese sandwich was crumbs , I said that the statement sounded like they should be thankful for the crumbs thrown from the better kids. As though they are not good enough for a plate of food. I wasn't even commenting on what the school did, only on the statement by that poster.

Their kids, they have no control over the family income. It is ridiculous that so many think that the KIDS that get free lunch should be showing their undying gratitude to someone. The parents should be thankful that their kids are fed, that I will agree with. But I will not agree with that kind of attitude toward a kid.

As for the cheese sandwich--not a big deal. The kids had a food fight, they had consequences; no biggie.

 

[tink_n_pooh]

Only the students in the lunch period that the food fight accorded were served the cheese sandwich. There were 3 lunch periods and only one food fight, so 2 out of 3 periods were served the regular hot lunch. There were obviously other food choices available that day if someone had an allergy and I am sure they would have made something else available for a student with allergies. Like a PP said, its really about the snowflake children