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[LiLIrishChick63]

Okay, I'm having some trouble remembering what horcruxes have been destroyed. And I don't have my book to reference because I loaned it to my godfather's wife who hadn't read it yet.

I believe it was just the diary and the ring that have been destroyed? Anyone care to refresh my memory? I can't remember if a third horcrux was destroyed or not. Was there a locket?

Anyway, I think the snake Nagini may be one of the horcruxes. I believe it's been said that making a living creature a horcrux can be dangerous but Nagini is the only thing Voldemort has ever felt something close to affection for so it's a definite possibility. Plus, I think Voldemort would be cocky enough to believe that no one will ever get close enough for her to be destroyed.

I keep wondering what the horcrux for Gryffindor could be. It can't be the sword because DD said that he has guarded it safely in his office. Maybe some other personal effect he owned? I can't think what though. And was there something belonging to Hufflepuff that was mentioned? I can't remember if there was or not.

you're right, the ring and the book are the only two that were destroyed so far. and i agree, i think that Nagini is also a Horcrux.

i also think that Harry is one. think about it, if Voldemort was going to the Potter's the kill them, he still needed his last Horcrux so i'm assuming the death of Harry/the Potters was what he was going to use to make the last one. and i'm ALSO wondering.....if the thing he originally wanted to turn into a Horcrux was in the Potter's house....something of Gryffindor's, because i think they were related. but when the spell went wrong, it went to whatever his wand was pointing at.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

JKR has said that Dementors are her manifestation of depression, though.

Anyway, the HP books are so rich and layered, that even after the series is finished, I think we could go on discussing them forever.

I definitely agree that Voldemort is a Hitler figure, and it's no coincidence that Dumbledore defeated the "dark wizard Grindelwald" in 1945, either. In fact I briefly wondered if Grindelwald WAS supposed to be Hitler. Wouldn't that be intriguing - a Wizard masquerading as a Muggle to achieve world domination?

well...they look pretty depressing! lol.

wow that's interesting. Hitler as a "wizard masquerading as a Muggle". hmm. the possibilities! lol

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

i also think that Harry is one. think about it, if Voldemort was going to the Potter's the kill them, he still needed his last Horcrux so i'm assuming the death of Harry/the Potters was what he was going to use to make the last one. and i'm ALSO wondering.....if the thing he originally wanted to turn into a Horcrux was in the Potter's house....something of Gryffindor's, because i think they were related. but when the spell went wrong, it went to whatever his wand was pointing at.

It's an interesting theory but the only reason I can't fully support it is because of one key thing: Why would Voldemort make Harry a horcrux and then spend all this time trying to kill him? I can't imagine that even if he wanted revenge that he would be willing to destroy a part of his own soul. He's too cocky, too hungry for immortality and power to do that, even if he did have other horcruxes. Just my thoughts on that though.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

I definitely agree that Voldemort is a Hitler figure, and it's no coincidence that Dumbledore defeated the "dark wizard Grindelwald" in 1945, either. In fact I briefly wondered if Grindelwald WAS supposed to be Hitler. Wouldn't that be intriguing - a Wizard masquerading as a Muggle to achieve world domination?

Oh, that's definitely something that's crossed my mine. ESPECIALLY because when asked about that connection, JKR gets very coy and will not give a straight answer. I definitely think that is more than a coincidence.

 

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[LiLIrishChick63]

It's an interesting theory but the only reason I can't fully support it is because of one key thing: Why would Voldemort make Harry a horcrux and then spend all this time trying to kill him? I can't imagine that even if he wanted revenge that he would be willing to destroy a part of his own soul. He's too cocky, too hungry for immortality and power to do that, even if he did have other horcruxes. Just my thoughts on that though.

i don't think he knew that Harry was one until around the 5th or 6th book. it was almost an accidental Horcurx, if you think about it.

if you notice in the .....6th book i believe, he has stopped getting into Harry's mind all together. and even in the end, when the Death Eaters are chasing him while he's chasing Snape and Draco, they're trying to kill him and Snape tells them all to back off, not to kill him.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

The memory of LV being in DD's office, in which HP wanted to call out to DD, made me wonder (after learning of the Horcruxes) if one was in DD's office. Hogwarts was LV's only real home and, perhaps, that gesture that HP saw was whatever it took to create the curse. Could it be then that the Sword would be a horcrux?

Sharon

PS I am also open to the idea of HP's scar being a horcrux for the same reasons mentioned by LilIrishChick.

Tom wasn't in the office nearly long enough to have made anything into a horcrux at that time. and i don't think there's any other way he could have made it into DD's office, considering it's password protected. and DD didn't know anything of Tom's "horcrux's" until just recently.

and with the scar, if you think about it, when has any spell ever left a scar? i don't even think the one Harry uses on Draco leaves scars, and he's bleeding from all over the place then. that's why i think he might be one.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

i also think that Harry is one. think about it, if Voldemort was going to the Potter's the kill them, he still needed his last Horcrux so i'm assuming the death of Harry/the Potters was what he was going to use to make the last one. and i'm ALSO wondering.....if the thing he originally wanted to turn into a Horcrux was in the Potter's house....something of Gryffindor's, because i think they were related. but when the spell went wrong, it went to whatever his wand was pointing at.

Just wanted to point out that JKR has already said that Harry is not in any way related to Godric Gryffindor.


I can definitely see what you're saying but I still can't get behind that theory. I'm stubborn that way I guess We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

Just wanted to point out that JKR has already said that Harry is not in any way related to Godric Gryffindor.


I can definitely see what you're saying but I still can't get behind that theory. I'm stubborn that way I guess We'll just have to agree to disagree.

she did? when did she say that?? i don't recall that. i'm not saying she didn't, i'm just curious and would like to know/read where she said it.

i know she's mentioned something about it being significant that the Potter's lived in Godric's Hollow, and that Godric is indeed named after Godric Gryffindor.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

she did? when did she say that?? i don't recall that. i'm not saying she didn't, i'm just curious and would like to know/read where she said it.

i know she's mentioned something about it being significant that the Potter's lived in Godric's Hollow, and that Godric is indeed named after Godric Gryffindor.

I'll go hunt for the interview and send you the link

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

I'll go hunt for the interview and send you the link

oh that'd be sweet! thanks!

 

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[AuroraBorealis]

But July is also Harry's birth month, and a release date on Harry's birthday would be marketable and fitting, too.

It does seem odd to have the book come out the same time as the OoTP movie, though. Is that too much marketing to the same group of fans?

JKR has also said that she knows that whatever she does in book 7, some fans are going to absolutely hate it. I would think Warner Brothers wouldn't want to be a victim of any HP disappointment backlash, you know? If people hated book 7, they might just dismiss the rest of the movie series.

JKR and Harry share a July birthday-- 7/31. It would be a fitting date for book 7.

I think having both the movie and the book released in July could be disastrous, especially since it is the seventh book and fifth movie-- that could get very confusing for some less avid fans. Also, I think that releasing the movie first will re-whet the public appetite for a new book. Holding off on the book release until the movie buzz has died down could be very profitable. 10/31/07 sounds like a good date to me. Just enough time after the summer blockbuster and a very significant HP date.

There will be some people who hate book 7. There were plenty of people who hated OOtP and HBP. However, people will still see the movies no matter what. I am a bit surprised, though, that movie six will be released after the book seven. It will be hard to watch, knowing how it will all end...

Oh, Rickman IS Snape, absolutely! I will never be able to imagine Snape in any other way again!

Totally! Oh, that voice.... I think the actress portraying Luna looks perfect! I also pictured Ginny differently...but I think the actress has done a decent job so far. I think Tonks was a brilliant casting choice as well-- Edit:: I can't seem to post a proper link but if you do a Google Image search for Natalia Tena-- you'll see her. Her IMDB page doesn't have a picture.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml


If you scroll about a third of the way down you'll see the question but I'll quote it here for you:

MA: What about Harry's family - his grandparents - were they killed?

JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.

MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.

JKR: [Pause] Yeah. Well - yeah

[Laughter]

JKR: Well, there you go. See, I'm aware that Half-Blood Prince will not delight everyone, because it does shoot down some theories. I mean, if it didn't, I haven't done my job right. A few people won't particularly like it, and a lot of people aren't going to like the death very much, but that was always what was planned to come.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

JKR and Harry share a July birthday-- 7/31. It would be a fitting date for book 7.

I think having both the movie and the book released in July could be disastrous, especially since it is the seventh book and fifth movie-- that could get very confusing for some less avid fans. Also, I think that releasing the movie first will re-whet the public appetite for a new book. Holding off on the book release until the movie buzz has died down could be very profitable. 10/31/07 sounds like a good date to me. Just enough time after the summer blockbuster and a very significant HP date.

There will be some people who hate book 7. There were plenty of people who hated OOtP and HBP. However, people will still see the movies no matter what. I am a bit surprised, though, that movie six will be released after the book seven. It will be hard to watch, knowing how it will all end...



Totally! Oh, that voice.... I think the actress portraying Luna looks perfect! I also pictured Ginny differently...but I think the actress has done a decent job so far. I think Tonks was a brilliant casting choice as well-- here is a picture

hey, i think HBP was my favorite book!! the only thing i hated about OOTP was Umbridge!!!! ugh! never have i hated a book character like i hated her!

the casting for Luna is really good! i've seen interviews and she seems JUST like Luna. didn't like the casting choice for Ginny, but i guess you can't do anything about it now. the link isn't working for me, but i saw some pix of Tonks and i agree, she's a good choice too!

 

[va32h]

It's hard for me to believe the Harry/Hocrux theory (whether accidental or not) because JKR hasn't really explained how horcruxes are made.

All we have is Slughorn's brief statement "the wizard intent on creating a horcrux would use the damage to his advantage...encase the torn portion...there is a spell, don't ask me how!"

So it would seem that the wizard has to take the damaged soul-portion and do something to encase it. Is it something you do before or after you kill the person? If it's something you do afterward, then I don't see how Harry can be an accidental Horcrux, because obviously Voldemort is poofed into Vapormort and can't do anything.

If it's something you do beforehand, you prep the object to receive the soul-piece, and then do the killing - wouldn't the object Voldemort brought with him become the horcrux and not Harry?

Either way, it just seems that creating a horcrux is something the wizard has to deliberately do, which would make any kind of accidental horcrux impossible.

There is also the puzzle of which soul pieces go into horcruxes and which just float away, or off beyond the veil, or wherever they go when wizards die.

By the time Tom Riddle learns about Horcruxes, he has killed several people - Moaning Myrtle, Morfin Gaunt, and the entire Riddle family. He already has enough soul-pieces to make his magic number 7. And since learning of horcruxes, he has apparently killed many, many people, so his soul must be shredded to bits right now. So when he makes a horcrux, wouldn't he have to take a specific soul bit and encase it? Because if he just prepared the object to receive the soul-bit, wouldn't all those soul pieces he has floating around get sucked in there?

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml


If you scroll about a third of the way down you'll see the question but I'll quote it here for you:

ohh thanks so much! although, it still seems like she's not really telling us. "Yeah.....well yeah" isn't a definate "Yes" answer. and it doesn't mean that Godric couldn't be an uncle or something.

as well as Hermione. i think that she's got some wizard blood in her somewhere. it was mentioned before that there was a famous wizard named Granger, so i think there might be SOME kind of wizard in her.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

because obviously Voldemort is poofed into Vapormort and can't do anything.

If it's something you do beforehand, you prep the object to receive the soul-piece, and then do the killing - wouldn't the object Voldemort brought with him become the horcrux and not Harry?

Either way, it just seems that creating a horcrux is something the wizard has to deliberately do, which would make any kind of accidental horcrux impossible.

There is also the puzzle of which soul pieces go into horcruxes and which just float away, or off beyond the veil, or wherever they go when wizards die.

Vapormort........

something went wrong with the spell, when Voldy went to cast it. and i think he was intent on using an object he either A.) had with him already or B.) something that was at the Potter's house and when the Avada went wrong, i think the Horcrux spell also backfired.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

ohh thanks so much! although, it still seems like she's not really telling us. "Yeah.....well yeah" isn't a definate "Yes" answer. and it doesn't mean that Godric couldn't be an uncle or something.

as well as Hermione. i think that she's got some wizard blood in her somewhere. it was mentioned before that there was a famous wizard named Granger, so i think there might be SOME kind of wizard in her.

Yeah but the answer she gives before that pretty much indicates he's not related because she did that purposely. She wanted Harry to be alone because it worked better for the plot. That's what I got from that statement. That whole interview is amazingly informative and interesting though


I agree about Hermione. I think there's probably some wizarding blood somewhere back there.

And once again VA32h, you have put into words what I can't seem to say! That's definitely why I don't think Harry is a horcrux and never have. It just doesn't seem plausible to me that he could "accidentally" become one. Mostly because even though we don't know exactly how horcruxes are made, it is a very deliberate process. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. Right now, it is literally all speculation.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Just for a clear reference point:

Known Horcruxes:
The Diary (destroyed)
The Ring (destroyed)
The Locket (possibly destroyed by the mysterious R.A.B.)

Dumbledore's speculation:
Hufflepuff's cup
Something belonging to Ravenclaw or Griffindor
Nagini the snake (even though living creatures make risky horcruxes)

(according to HBP pg 503-507)

Something interesting: even if all horcruxes are destroyed, it will still take a wizard of great skill and power to kill Voldemort as his brain and magical powers will remain intact. According to DD, Harry has this skill in the fact that he can love. (HBP, pg. 509)

I'm on the fence about Harry (or the scar) being an accidental horcrux. Certainly, there was a sufficient killing for a horcrux to be made. We know that Lily's love for Harry saved him-- perhaps love interacting with the AK curse had the side effect of creating a horcrux? Or a horcrux-like object? Harry definitely has part of Voldemort in him-- could this be possible without being a horcrux?