michael vick signed with the eagles

[MaryAnnDVC]

And there are far more people that have a "weird person like love for the thing" than those who have a weird coldness towards an animal that they grow up with.

You know...I still don't get the point of parading out his prideful lack of "weird person love for "the thing" ", with regard to the topic.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I don't have the expectation that now that he has been released that he should never work again.

Who said he should never work again?

To those that believe that people convicted of felonies should never be allowed to reenter society

Who said that?

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

You know...I still don't get the point of parading out his prideful lack of "weird person love for "the thing" ", with regard to the topic.

It's not something I'd be proud of but as he said, he and I will just have to agree to disagree. I'm one who, as I've said before, has been able to win over dogs that people claimed "didn't like strangers" since I was very young and as I've also said before, my mom has described my feelings towards dogs as "you don't think of them as inferior creatures....you think of them as furry friends who don't happen to speak English and need you to take care of them and be a voice for them because of that." Mom knows me pretty well.
The Pit Bull/Lab mix that I share a home with sleeps with me every night, comes bounding in at the end of the day when his owner takes him to work and runs right to my room to see me, and is generally stuck like Super Glue to me all night when I'm sleeping. My boyfriend even said, teasingly, after I said that Hurley was my favorite, "I see where I stand...you'd put a dog before me." The first response that came into my mind was "hey, he's a better bet than you are." We can count on dogs to love us unconditionally no matter what. And no, I wouldn't really put a dog before my boyfriend...but I'm glad I have both of the dogs that live here in my life.

 

[FireDancer]

Who said he should never work again?

Everyone who thinks the NFL should not reinstate him or are mad at the Eagles for signing him are saying this.

His job is football player in the NFL. If no one will give him the job of being a football player that is like not letting him work. He should not have to change careers any more than a salesman who did the same thing should be told you will never sell anything again.

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

Everyone who thinks the NFL should not reinstate him or are mad at the Eagles for signing him are saying this.

His job is football player in the NFL. If no one will give him the job of being a football player that is like not letting him work. He should not have to change careers any more than a salesman who did the same thing should be told you will never sell anything again.

Maybe the salesman would not be told that, but the policeman, teacher, lawyer, paralegal, nurse, social worker, etc. might very well be told that they would never be a member of their chosen profession again after being convicted of this or any other felony.

 

[vt_disney_fan]

To the first part, perhaps I was hasty. Sure I might believe them, but it would certainly make me think a whole heckuva lot less of them.

To the second part, my powers are great. I am currently working on the lottery thing. Will let you know how it turns out.

And for the third part. Quoting the bible doesn't make you right any more than it would make my opinion "right". How about "an eye for an eye"?

What does the Bible say, from the front to the back, about "an eye for an eye"? Does that concept change from front to back?

 

[onelilspark]

Ok...since I'm a huge Eagles fan and I'm angry about hiring Vick, let me give you my perspective on why.

Professional athletes, whether we like it or not, are looked up to by today's youth. Today, more than ever, we need good, solid role models. Allowing convicted criminals into the NFL upsets me because, in my opinion, it shows the children who look up to these people that it's okay if you do bad things, you can still make millions. And that's not realistic. I believe we need to hold professional athletes to a higher standard. Whether it's Vick, Stallworth, Burress, Jones (Pacman), etc. There are plenty of "men" in the NFL right now that I believe should not be there. The only reason they are there is because they are talented players and there's such a focus placed on winning that we forget about what these people mean to the community. I have a problem with this.

What angers me most about Vick, and I'm sure this is what angers a lot of people, is that he took part in a coward's act. Torturing something that is defenseless is cowardly. Whether that be a child, a woman, a pet, it doesn't matter. He isn't a man. And he doesn't belong on a team where children might be able to look up to him. He doesn't belong on a team that a community relies on. Philadelphia lives and breathes Eagles football. He does not belong on that team.

Now...some other issues that arise... I think the reason why Reid has placed him on the team is because of his own family situation. He has two sons currently in jail (I believe in jail, or on probation...in any event, they've been in trouble with the law.) So he has a soft spot for someone looking for a second chance. The thing with his sons that is different than Vick? His sons are in trouble for drugs, not violence.

Practical problem, as a football fan, with Vick on "my" team... He hasn't played football since '06. I don't care if he played while in prison, I don't care if he exercised while there. He didn't play on a professional level. You see players who have been injured for a few months come back to play and they're rusty. I can't see that as a good thing for the team. Purely from a talent perspective. I never thought he was that great when he was playing, I certainly don't think 3 years of sitting in prison is going to help. The Falcons played better without Vick than they did with him.

I have a problem paying him $1.6 million coming out of prison, I understand that he did his time, but if he wanted to continue playing football, I would have rather seen him go to the Arena leagues. If he really wanted to continue, he would have taken that pay cut. Since there are areas that we really need players, I find it to be a huge waste to be paying him anything. Do I think people can change? Yes. Do I think that means that they should be allowed to pick up their lives right where they left off? No.

Will I root for the Eagles this season? Yes. I can't not root for them. However, as morbid as it is, I hope Vick breaks his leg and can't play. And I will be rooting for the Broncos this year. I hope B Dawk gets the ring he deserves.

 

[sissybells]

"Now EVERYONE is a dog lover and cares so deeply for dogs. Okay then if that’s the case, jump in with both feet. Don’t just go after Vick. Go down to the neighborhoods and places that dog fighting happens and let your voice be heard the same way you are with Vick. If you really care so much about the protection of animals."

By:agame2323

I think this statement is the best one on this thread so far. I also don't see anyone that is so appauled by Vick that they are saying this is what they intend to do with all the hatred they have for dog fighting. They are still just attacking Vick. Well put your money where your mouth is and go to where dog fighting is rampant and fight those people as well. I don't think they will so I don't think anyone has any room to complain about what Vick did if you aren't going to be part of a solution to a problem like this. I think he does have a better chance at reaching people that are still involved in dog fighting than your average person so give him a chance he may suprise you.

 

[ryanshana]

Everyone who thinks the NFL should not reinstate him or are mad at the Eagles for signing him are saying this.

His job is football player in the NFL. If no one will give him the job of being a football player that is like not letting him work. He should not have to change careers any more than a salesman who did the same thing should be told you will never sell anything again.

I am mad at the eagles for signing him.....I don't think he should have been reinstated...right away (not NEVER but not this quickly)

My thing is if you or I had a felony conviction we would not be able to find a job this quickly or have a hard time getting employment even if we were great at what we did!

THAT is what bothers me.

 

[Jennasis]

What does the Bible say, from the front to the back, about "an eye for an eye"? Does that concept change from front to back?

Uncle...UNCLE!!!

How 'bout you and I just agree to disagree then?

 

[onelilspark]

Everyone who thinks the NFL should not reinstate him or are mad at the Eagles for signing him are saying this.

His job is football player in the NFL. If no one will give him the job of being a football player that is like not letting him work. He should not have to change careers any more than a salesman who did the same thing should be told you will never sell anything again.

For the record, I'm in sales. I can't imagine going to prison for something like this and then being able to find a job when I got out doing what I do now. No company would want me representing them.

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

"Now EVERYONE is a dog lover and cares so deeply for dogs. Okay then if that’s the case, jump in with both feet. Don’t just go after Vick. Go down to the neighborhoods and places that dog fighting happens and let your voice be heard the same way you are with Vick. If you really care so much about the protection of animals."

By:agame2323

I think this statement is the best one on this thread so far. I also don't see anyone that is so appauled by Vick that they are saying this is what they intend to do with all the hatred they have for dog fighting. They are still just attacking Vick. Well put your money where your mouth is and go to where dog fighting is rampant and fight those people as well. I don't think they will so I don't think anyone has any room to complain about what Vick did if you aren't going to be part of a solution to a problem like this. I think he does have a better chance at reaching people that are still involved in dog fighting than your average person so give him a chance he may suprise you.

I have too much common sense and value my life too much to go into the areas where dog fighting exists. There are other ways to crusade against it besides actually going into those areas and I plan to crusade in those ways. And I really don't think Vick is going to go into those areas, either. He'll be too busy partying and I think the whole point of his playing football was probably to get out of areas like the one he grew up in.

 

[h20jag]

You go Vick!
Worked that Just. system and NFL Commish, now gettin' that Eagle payday!!

Please throw that Falcon game by 3 1/2 pts. if ya can.

 

[ICF]

mentioned such as having a vet pull every one of that dog's teeth and then putting her on the "rape rack") is just as bad as child molestation because

sorry.....no way in the world that abusing the dog is equal to child molestation.

I'll take 50 Mike Vick's before I'd take 1 child molester.

 

[FireDancer]

Maybe the salesman would not be told that, but the policeman, teacher, lawyer, paralegal, nurse, social worker, etc. might very well be told that they would never be a member of their chosen profession again after being convicted of this or any other felony.

I don't like the policy for any of them either. This is a whole other topic but I don't think these kinds of blanket policies work. If you commit a folony against and animal you should not be getting a job working with them. If you commit a felony theft you should not be in a position to handle money. If you are convicted of a felony against children you shouldn't work with kids.

To withhold work from someone for committing a crime that isn't a part of their everyday (or even most of the day) interaction is not good for anyone. If someone commits a felony and can't get a job there is a good chance that they will end up on some kind of support which we, the tax payers, are footing the bill for. If a teacher gets a DUI I don't think they should lose their job. It is bad form but as long as the alcohol wasn't consumed at work and they weren't driving students home they should do their time and keep their job. If they are a good teacher that made one mistake it is hurting more people to take away their job. These kinds of decisions should be case by case and not blanket policy. I work in IT at a financial institution and if I am convicted of robbery I would expect to lose my job. No one here that has gotten a DUI though has faced any work consequences.

If Michael Vick was convicted of the same crimes and was trying to get a job as animal warden I would say no way. But his job has nothing to do with the crime he was convicted of so I don't see a good logical reason to not let him do that job. I have heard a lot of emotional arguments but those don't concern me, I prefer logic to emotion when dealing with matters of policy.

 

[hiwaygal]

"Now EVERYONE is a dog lover and cares so deeply for dogs. Okay then if that’s the case, jump in with both feet. Don’t just go after Vick. Go down to the neighborhoods and places that dog fighting happens and let your voice be heard the same way you are with Vick. If you really care so much about the protection of animals."

By:agame2323

I think this statement is the best one on this thread so far. I also don't see anyone that is so appauled by Vick that they are saying this is what they intend to do with all the hatred they have for dog fighting. They are still just attacking Vick. Well put your money where your mouth is and go to where dog fighting is rampant and fight those people as well. I don't think they will so I don't think anyone has any room to complain about what Vick did if you aren't going to be part of a solution to a problem like this. I think he does have a better chance at reaching people that are still involved in dog fighting than your average person so give him a chance he may suprise you.

How do either you or agame2323 know that we AREN'T doing everything we can to stop dog-fighting? I don't feel the need to list my resume of social and charitable activities that I do for your (or anyone else's) benefit.

No one knows where else our hatred is directed or where our money goes.

 

[hereyago]

I don't know what part of Newport News YOU grew up in but I was born and raised in Newport BAD NEWS VA. I attended the same high school as Allen Iverson (Bethal High) and to this day, he and I are good friends.

Anyone who grew up in Newport will tell you that dog fighting and other things go on there quite commonly. Police do indeed look away from it because there are so many other problems that take priority over it. I have witnessed it. I know people who have witnessed it and been apart of it. I’m a Sports Agent and a great deal of my clients will tell you that in the inner city this “activity” is used as a way to make money and its BIG BUSINESS.

I’ll go back to my original post. The people I want Vick to reach are those who participate or fund this type of activity. Some of you can’t relate to this and that’s okay. But please understand DOG FIGHTING IS A REAL PROBLEM. PETA can’t reach these inner city neighborhood’s where the act is also being performed. They are afraid. They act just like the New Port Police do in the manner. They look away. The difference is now they come out of hiding because there is no danger in doing so. But they (PETA) are well aware of what’s going on the inner cities but refuse to do anything about it…until now.

Now EVERYONE is a dog lover and cares so deeply for dogs. Okay then if that’s the case, jump in with both feet. Don’t just go after Vick. Go down to the neighborhoods and places that dog fighting happens and let your voice be heard the same way you are with Vick. If you really care so much about the protection of animals.

The truth is your not going to make any attempt to educate inner city youth about the dangers and inhumanity of dog fighting. But now some one is in a position to do so. If anyone can change the mind of a young kid who maybe thinking about getting invovled in this...Mike Vike can. Its bigger than football. Vick is in a position to make a change. Is there really something wrong with that? Can't he attempt to improve his community? If you lived there would you be against this? Try to think positive about this. Some of you are very close-minded

BTW..."WE" the community of New Port News still are going to give Mike Vick Celebration ceremony. We were just waiting until and team signed him so it wasn't viewed as being premature. Get your facts straight.

Ok, I didnt say I was born and raised here. I have lived here for many years. I don't frequent downton Newport News, dont' have a reason too.
I wrote that Vick said he saw that behavoir as a child and the police didn't do anytning about it, which was true because they are too busy with drugs and murder down there.
I did mention that he and Marcus would bring presents to the kids in their hayday which was good, but if you are going to act like a fool the rest of the time and not do anything else for the community you grew up in, then what is the point.
As for the celebration, it was on the news that he didnt show up, and later it was said he was doing something with PETA. Once again, it was all for publicity to put him in a good light.
He did start working for the Boys and Girls club he was given an opportunity to make a difference with the youth, a huge difference dont you think? Boys and Girls club were getting more kids because their parents wanted them to see Vick and maybe learn something. That didnt happen now did it?

Just because you see something going on like drugs, dog fighting, does not mean you have to do it. You can make the choice or not.
I do care about animals, but like I said, if someone has animals fight that doesn't make them tough, it makes them a B.
Vick said he wanted to make a change, then he will be on 60 minutes talking about how football isn't that important after the reporter asks a question, ok, then why go back to football and be a slave to the money? What change can he make now? Did he pour money into the communities of downtown when he was on top? NOPE.

BTW,if you are a sports writer, you really should learn how to spell, especially your former alma mater, Bethel High School. And did you know the Bethel is in Hampton and not Newport News?

 

[lillygator]

If you can't see the difference between torturing a dog and stepping on a spider, then I can't really see much point in having a dialogue with you.

I disagree with hunting for sport. I don't randomly kill mice, rats, squirrels or chipmunks. I will admit I ran over a chipmunk once and felt terrible about it, quite frankly.

I have stepped on a couple of bugs in my day, so I guess that does make me equivalent to Michael Vick who electrocuted, strangled, and "rape-racked" animals...yes, I can see the similarities between us.

well maybe I misunderstood your post had the following,

or killing a defenseless animal are capable of doing the same to a human

which I took as a sep statment from the torturing one since it was an "or", maybe I misunderstood.

Yes, it's from Jesus. And for anyone to allude to Jesus and Michael Vick in the same post is beyond ludicrous.

I'll cast a stone. I have never tortured or killed anything for sport. And I firmly believe that people who are capable of torturing or killing a defenseless animal are capable of doing the same to a human.

I predict that in a few years we'll be reading about how Michael Vick brutalized a person and everyone will be shocked.

Ridiculous...

As far as elected officials....most of the people in office now didn't get there with my vote.

 

[hiwaygal]

I don't know what part of Newport News YOU grew up in but I was born and raised in Newport BAD NEWS VA. I attended the same high school as Allen Iverson (Bethal High) and to this day, he and I are good friends.

Interesting...BETHEL High School is in HAMPTON, not Newport News.

And if the community is giving such a big party, I sure hope Vick decides to attend this time and not blow you off like he did last time.

He had a chance to teach the children in this area at the local Boys and Girls Club...but he wanted to do a commerical for PETA instead.

 

[lillygator]

There are legitimate reasons to get rid of certain animals...even dogs...illness, disease, public nuisance. I would NEVER condone torturing ANY animal, under ANY circumstances.

I would never condone torturing either.