Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

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He's in favor of commercial renting and that is clearly against the POS. Some people pick and choose which rules are ok, I guess....
I can't speak for others but I can tell you my definition of "commercial renting" would be far different than most on this board plus I don't think it'll hold up in court if it's challenged.
 
I get so confused reading these threads. I can not understand why if it is ok with MS and the people at the villas, why it would bother anyone else if some familys feel comfortable with sleeping 5 in a studio or one bedroom. No one is going to make these people sleep 5 why would you care what others do:confused3 as long as it does not effect you?
 
No one is going to make these people sleep 5 why would you care what others do:confused3 as long as it does not effect you?
That's just it, it does affect me. Stuffing the room leads to more people at the pool, more demand for parking places and similar issues plus higher maint costs due to increased wear and tear. And while there are other issues that contribute to these areas, they are additive and two wrongs don't make a right. We can argue the degree of effect but I don't see any way to argue that there are negative effects overall.
 
I get so confused reading these threads. I can not understand why if it is ok with MS and the people at the villas, why it would bother anyone else if some familys feel comfortable with sleeping 5 in a studio or one bedroom. No one is going to make these people sleep 5 why would you care what others do:confused3 as long as it does not effect you?


When I bought my first points at OKW in 1997, I was informed that a studio and one bedroom slept 4, a two bedroom 8 and a grand villa slept 12. If I needed more points to get a larger villa, they advised me to purchase more. This is also what the public offering statement states. That's why I feel as I do. I'm following the rules. Why shouldn't others? These occupancies are based on fire codes and other building codes. It's really not up to MS to change the requirements.
 

I have a question and don't get upset with me cause I'm a new DVC member.
I live in SanDiego...my family lives in Florida. My sister lives 2 hrs away from WDW. If she was to come to WDW and decided to spend the night with her 2 girls than that would be against the rules? even for that one night? So if there are 4 of us and 3 of them we would have to get a room with 2 bedrooms even if it was for one night? we could not do it with a one bedroom...just for one night?:confused3

Can we just than get a 2 bedroom for the night that she is coming? and switch back the next day?
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";16192185]I have a question and don't get upset with me cause I'm a new DVC member.
I live in SanDiego...my family lives in Florida. My sister lives 2 hrs away from WDW. If she was to come to WDW and decided to spend the night with her 2 girls than that would be against the rules? even for that one night? So if there are 4 of us and 3 of them we would have to get a room with 2 bedrooms even if it was for one night? we could not do it with a one bedroom...just for one night?:confused3

Can we just than get a 2 bedroom for the night that she is coming? and switch back the next day?[/QUOTE]

Everyone has questions some of the time. No problem with that. If your sister and her two daughters decided to stay with you in your villa, that would make 7 and you would need a two bedroom for that night. And, yes, you could get a two bedroom for just that one night and then go back to a reservation in a one bedroom. Last year for the marathon, we were in an OKW 1 bedroom. The day our friends from home arrived, we moved into a two bedroom (actually, they just unlocked the locked off studio - we worked this out ahead of time with the front desk and MS) for the rest of our stay. So we had four nights in a one bedroom and four nights in a two bedroom.
 
Everyone has questions some of the time. No problem with that. If your sister and her two daughters decided to stay with you in your villa, that would make 7 and you would need a two bedroom for that night. And, yes, you could get a two bedroom for just that one night and then go back to a reservation in a one bedroom. Last year for the marathon, we were in an OKW 1 bedroom. The day our friends from home arrived, we moved into a two bedroom (actually, they just unlocked the locked off studio - we worked this out ahead of time with the front desk and MS) for the rest of our stay. So we had four nights in a one bedroom and four nights in a two bedroom.

:thumbsup2 popcorn:: this thread is good reading....lots of excitment and opinions
 
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I am sorry- I can't read this whole thread- will they issue M.E. vouchers for 5 people in a 1 bdrm? Can you add the ddp for 5 people in a 1 bdrm?
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";16192185]I have a question and don't get upset with me cause I'm a new DVC member.
I live in SanDiego...my family lives in Florida. My sister lives 2 hrs away from WDW. If she was to come to WDW and decided to spend the night with her 2 girls than that would be against the rules? even for that one night? So if there are 4 of us and 3 of them we would have to get a room with 2 bedrooms even if it was for one night? we could not do it with a one bedroom...just for one night?:confused3

Can we just than get a 2 bedroom for the night that she is coming? and switch back the next day?[/QUOTE]


If it were me, I would just book an extra studio for the one night they are with you. I would not consider moving - it would make your family homeless for two extra days while you waited for rooms.
 
Unless MOST of the rooms are being stuffed I fail to see how this will meaningfully affect anyone's experience. The same number of people will be traveling and staying at the resort whether they are in one room or two or even if every person gets their own room.

Only time it starts to make a difference is if all rooms at the resort are sold out and then it would have to be a lot of rooms with +1 persons in them. Besides, would'nt all those be offset with all of the 2BRs that only have 5,6, or 7 people in them instead of the specified 8? If everyone used the 2BRs to the full "legal" 8 capacity, I suspect that would affect resort "crowds" more than these 5 member family situations would.

That's just it, it does affect me. Stuffing the room leads to more people at the pool, more demand for parking places and similar issues plus higher maint costs due to increased wear and tear. And while there are other issues that contribute to these areas, they are additive and two wrongs don't make a right. We can argue the degree of effect but I don't see any way to argue that there are negative effects overall.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";16192185]I have a question and don't get upset with me cause I'm a new DVC member.
I live in SanDiego...my family lives in Florida. My sister lives 2 hrs away from WDW. If she was to come to WDW and decided to spend the night with her 2 girls than that would be against the rules? even for that one night? So if there are 4 of us and 3 of them we would have to get a room with 2 bedrooms even if it was for one night? we could not do it with a one bedroom...just for one night?:confused3

Can we just than get a 2 bedroom for the night that she is coming? and switch back the next day?[/QUOTE]

You could arrange for a lock-off unit and add the 2nd bedroom just one night and still stay in the 1 bedroom the rest of the nights. Another option is to just go ahead and reserve a studio for her and her kids for that one night. Either way stays within the guidelines.
 
Unless MOST of the rooms are being stuffed I fail to see how this will meaningfully affect anyone's experience. The same number of people will be traveling and staying at the resort whether they are in one room or two or even if every person gets their own room.

Let's look at an example using a single two-bedroom lockoff unit. If a family of 6 were to cram into the one-bedroom portion, that leaves the studio to be booked by another family of 4 (or 5 or 6...) If you have 6 in the 1B side and just 4 in the Studio side, you've got 10 occupants in that unit.

By comparison, if the family of 6 is required to book a 2B, you've only got 6 occupants in the unit.

However you slice it, if people are exceeding the occupancy limits of the units, it's freeing up additional space for additional guests.

Besides, would'nt all those be offset with all of the 2BRs that only have 5,6, or 7 people in them instead of the specified 8? If everyone used the 2BRs to the full "legal" 8 capacity, I suspect that would affect resort "crowds" more than these 5 member family situations would.

But Disney knows that they won't have 8 occupants in every two-bedroom. Yes it would be permitted, but everything from room maintenance schedules to bus transportation routes are based upon some lesser average of guests. The more occupants you allow, the more those averages go up, and the more wear and tear the rooms experience.

On the surface it may seem irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. But let me ask you this: if two more people were to move into your house tomorrow, can you honestly say there wouldn't be any additional wear and tear (carpets, walls, appliances, furniture) exhibited over the next year? Five years? Ten years?
 
Lord, I wouldn't want to be in the studio that is next to somebody with 6 or 7 people in a one bedroom. Imagine the noise just from the number of flushings and showers.
 
Lord, I wouldn't want to be in the studio that is next to somebody with 6 or 7 people in a one bedroom. Imagine the noise just from the number of flushings and showers.

LOL! How true! Those toilets at OKW are high on the decibel scale!
 
Unless MOST of the rooms are being stuffed I fail to see how this will meaningfully affect anyone's experience. The same number of people will be traveling and staying at the resort whether they are in one room or two or even if every person gets their own room.
This is not true. If one gets two rooms no one else can get that room. If one rooms stuffs, not only will the wear and tear on that given unit be affected adversely but so will the density of all applicable issues. If you only get one unit and go over, then there will be someone else in the next unit with their cars and numbers added to the mix.

Only time it starts to make a difference is if all rooms at the resort are sold out and then it would have to be a lot of rooms with +1 persons in them. Besides, would'nt all those be offset with all of the 2BRs that only have 5,6, or 7 people in them instead of the specified 8? If everyone used the 2BRs to the full "legal" 8 capacity, I suspect that would affect resort "crowds" more than these 5 member family situations would.
Any resort or hotel assumes that there will be less than maximum usage. So if you have 9 in a 2 BR and the next 2 BR has 6, that does not make up for the room stuffing in any way. The fact that there are other factors that also tend to increase maint costs is not applicable because they tend to be additive. But the point was that how one uses the resort does affect other people, it is not a victimless crime. We can then discuss how much it affects maint, etc and also rank different issues that tend to raise costs. Actually smoking is likely the largest single controllable cost.
 
Robin,
Hi Its Me From The Christmas Cruise..
In The Begining=i Have Been A Dvc Member Since 1993..when I Clled Ms To Make A Ressie And Askd How Many I Can Book Into A One Bedroom..they Said "it Is Your Membership, You Are Owner, How Many People Is Up To You" Thn A Few Years Later, Thy Tld Me Only 4 In Studio, 4 In One Bedroom,
Because Of The Fire Codes..
I Understand Some People May Add More Than This,
And Get Away With It..but Disney Had To Make Rules Mostly Because Of Fire Codes..that Is What I Understand. Anyway..
Hope All Is Going Back To Normal After Our Great Cruise...:coffee:
 
Robin,
Hi Its Me From The Christmas Cruise..
In The Begining=i Have Been A Dvc Member Since 1993..when I Clled Ms To Make A Ressie And Askd How Many I Can Book Into A One Bedroom..they Said "it Is Your Membership, You Are Owner, How Many People Is Up To You" Thn A Few Years Later, Thy Tld Me Only 4 In Studio, 4 In One Bedroom,
Because Of The Fire Codes..
I Understand Some People May Add More Than This,
And Get Away With It..but Disney Had To Make Rules Mostly Because Of Fire Codes..that Is What I Understand. Anyway..
Hope All Is Going Back To Normal After Our Great Cruise...:coffee:

I agree fire codes determines the number of occupants allowed to sleep in a one bedroom at Disney.

CRO will not book 5 persons in a one bedroom DVC if all occupants are over the age of 3.

A little "birdie" told me the MS CM's are going to be informed they will not be allowed to book 5 over age of 3 in a one bedroom in the near future.

Please concider my info as a "friendly heads up" notice.
 
How do you think this will affect any reservations already made for 5 in a 1BR?
Thanks for your opinions!
 
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