Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[Doctor P]

For me, a major issue has always been the integrity of the written documents as a whole. One of the things that makes a society or community work is the ability to make voluntary contracts and to have the terms of those contracts enforced. It is in every member's best interest to have the terms of our contract enforced, even if the enforcement of a PARTICULAR term or condition may be inconvenient or disagreeable. IMHO, if we do not expect and insist on the terms of our contract being enforced, our ownership can end up having no value or attractiveness.

 

[disneyfan2kids]

I haven't stayed at my DVC yet, so (admittedly) my opinion means little.

However, it keeps being said/hinted that the people who go above 4 (or whatever) are of unsavory character.

But it seems to me as if MS is allowing it, so these people aren't "lying" or being dishonest...right?

 

[Doctor P]

I haven't stayed at my DVC yet, so (admittedly) my opinion means little.

However, it keeps being said/hinted that the people who go above 4 (or whatever) are of unsavory character.

But it seems to me as if MS is allowing it, so these people aren't "lying" or being dishonest...right?

Some people have and do lie about room occupancy according to various posts on these boards (and advice given on these boards). Without exception, that is being dishonest.

 

[Dean]

I haven't stayed at my DVC yet, so (admittedly) my opinion means little.

However, it keeps being said/hinted that the people who go above 4 (or whatever) are of unsavory character.

But it seems to me as if MS is allowing it, so these people aren't "lying" or being dishonest...right?

You'll note that I've generally been careful to draw a line between those who secretly do these types of things and those who do not. Up to a point, if they tell MS what's going on and MS expressly allows it, any complaints would be with MS and DVC. So if one tells MS 10 in a studio and the confirmation says 10 for the studio, I wouldn't blame you. I'd think you were nuts but that's another thread, LOL.

BTW, your opinion means as much as mine or anyone. And on this subject I doubt the number of stays or length of ownership have any impact.

 

[disneyfan2kids]

Well, I'm set for 6 people (in 2 studios) at SSR in January, and 7 people (in 2 studios) at BWV for Aug.

I guess I'll form my own opinions then regarding occupancy.... or not...maybe I'll just not form opinions and have a GREAT time!

In the meantime, I'm just looking forward to actually getting to that point....oye the planning!!! YAY!

 

[Dean]

Well, I'm set for 6 people (in 2 studios) at SSR in January, and 7 people (in 2 studios) at BWV for Aug.

I guess I'll form my own opinions then regarding occupancy.... or not...maybe I'll just not form opinions and have a GREAT time!

In the meantime, I'm just looking forward to actually getting to that point....oye the planning!!! YAY!

Have a great trip.

 

[PrincessJasmine08]

Someone a few pages back mentioned that you could in fact arrive at your DVC resort with 5 booked in a one bedroom and be turned away since 5 in a 1 bedroom is an unwritten rule. Things like this always make me wonder about people who don't read the DIS. Someone who didn't read these posts would think they were fine with 5 in a 1 bedroom because MS allowed it. They would assume MS wouldn't allow it if there was going to be a problem. This could lead to all kinds of problems. I think they need to either officially allow 5 or be very strict on enforcing the fact that only 4 are allowed, why stand somewhere in between?

 

[Dean]

Someone a few pages back mentioned that you could in fact arrive at your DVC resort with 5 booked in a one bedroom and be turned away since 5 in a 1 bedroom is an unwritten rule. Things like this always make me wonder about people who don't read the DIS. Someone who didn't read these posts would think they were fine with 5 in a 1 bedroom because MS allowed it. They would assume MS wouldn't allow it if there was going to be a problem. This could lead to all kinds of problems. I think they need to either officially allow 5 or be very strict on enforcing the fact that only 4 are allowed, why stand somewhere in between?

I would prefer the enforce the rules as written. But given the facts, I would be surprised if they turned 5 away for a 1 BR if they were indeed registered for a 1 BR. I can't even see them turning 5 away if only 4 are registered. Technically they do have the right to do so.

While everyone talks about the semi official 5 in a 1 BR, everyone seems to forget that DVC tightened up significantly on other variations including 5 in a studio, which they were routinely allowing prior to this change.

 

[PrincessJasmine08]

I would prefer the enforce the rules as written. But given the facts, I would be surprised if they turned 5 away for a 1 BR if they were indeed registered for a 1 BR. I can't even see them turning 5 away if only 4 are registered. Technically they do have the right to do so.

While everyone talks about the semi official 5 in a 1 BR, everyone seems to forget that DVC tightened up significantly on other variations including 5 in a studio, which they were routinely allowing prior to this change.

They were allowing 5 adults in a studio?! Wow that would be cozy!

 

[greenban]

Bumping up one ofmy most favorite threads!

-Tony

 

[crys5]

I read on the community board that someone who went to a member meeting at SSR was told that MS has officially raised the occupancy limits in a 1BR to 5 adults. If true, this should take some of the heat out of this topic. They still will not provide extra linens.

Hi,
I just wanted to say i am sorry if i got anyone upset about my post asking if 9 people could stay in a 2 bedroom at BWV. I didn't see what was so wrong asking that question since i read the above statement. Besides the people going were 4 adults 2 juniors 3 children including a 3 year old, all of which are my children. I figured 5 adults in a 1 bedroom, would mean 10 in a 2 and this would be 4 and the rest children...sorry

 

[greenban]

Hi,
I just wanted to say i am sorry if i got anyone upset about my post asking if 9 people could stay in a 2 bedroom at BWV. I didn't see what was so wrong asking that question since i read the above statement. Besides the people going were 4 adults 2 juniors 3 children including a 3 year old, all of which are my children. I figured 5 adults in a 1 bedroom, would mean 10 in a 2 and this would be 4 and the rest children...sorry

No No No, don't be sorry.

Your questions were fine and sincere.

This is a hot topic with three or four main camps:

1) The Disney Police (Jack Booted Stormtroopers)
Anyone even thinking about it is evil and must be destroyed. They are a very small percentage, and due to limitations in conveying tone and intent in the written word often come off much harsher than they intended.

2) The Rule Followers (I'm in here except for speed limits, but that is another thread). Following rules keeps us all civilized. Maximum benefit for the most. Despite what may be written down, MS officially allows 5 of any age in a 1 Bedroom, 9 of any age in a 2 Bedroom and 13 of any age in a GV (This is contrary to our POS which states the last guest must be under three). MS will allow 5 in a studio if 1 is under three as well! We (this group) tend to feel it doesn't matter what MS allows everyone else to do, we must follow the written word.

3) The I'm special group: Anything I can get away with I will. Using my kids Dining Plan for adult meals (software loophole 2006), Morphing points to other resorts (software loophole 1992), 32 in a studio,taking beach towels back to thier rooms, checking out after 11AM, etc. Reusing Mugs at other resorts or between years, Holding lounge chairs at the feature pool with their stolen towels, etc. They consume far more resources then they are entitled to and hurt the masses.

4) Hey Man,I'm cool with that, just be mellow. A large group that believes in live and let live. I won't bother yoy, please don't bother me!

5) Rinkwide. A class of his own!

Seriously, even if it seemed that you were jumped upon, for this group (DIS) and this topic (occupancy) it was pretty mellow.

You are a good person, and upset/offended no one (who is human) by your question. Stick around, ask many mor questions and post away!

-Tony

 

[jarestel]

The written/signed documents do list room occupancies that are a bit more restrictive than MS adheres to, but I also believe (though I haven't read the fine print in a millenium or two) that DVC, as the managing entity for the timeshare association, does have the right to alter terms as they see fit.

I always encourage people to get answers to these sorts of questions by contacting MS, rather than contacting an internet forum and requesting opinions, some of which may at times cast aspersions on the character of the person asking the question. Who needs that? I guess I'll suggest contacting MS in this case as well.

Of course, MS has the final say and all parties should abide by their decision whether the answer was what they had hoped for or not.

 

[3DisneyKids]

No No No, don't be sorry.

Your questions were fine and sincere.

This is a hot topic with three or four main camps:

2) The Rule Followers (I'm in here except for speed limits, but that is another thread). Following rules keeps us all civilized. Maximum benefit for the most. Despite what may be written down, MS officially allows 5 of any age in a 1 Bedroom, 9 of any age in a 2 Bedroom and 13 of any age in a GV (This is contrary to our POS which states the last guest must be under three). MS will allow 5 in a studio if 1 is under three as well! We (this group) tend to feel it doesn't matter what MS allows everyone else to do, we must follow the written word.

3) The I'm special group: Anything I can get away with I will. Using my kids Dining Plan for adult meals (software loophole 2006), Morphing points to other resorts (software loophole 1992), 32 in a studio,taking beach towels back to thier rooms, checking out after 11AM, etc. Reusing Mugs at other resorts or between years, Holding lounge chairs at the feature pool with their stolen towels, etc. They consume far more resources then they are entitled to and hurt the masses.

-Tony

Hi Tony and thanks for a fun post! I think, though, that there may be a category somewhere in between "The Rule Followers" and "The I'm Special Group". Not sure what to call this gang of DVCers, but something along the lines of "I follow the rules unless MS says I don't have to." Meaning, that we do not blatantly disregard rules. In fact, we have respect for the rules and do our best to abide by them. However, when MS actually SUGGESTS to us that we should consider a 1 BR for our family of 5 (2 adults and 3 kids, all still young, though over 3) in order to save some points, I think this is acceptable.

The fact that MS allows 5 in a 1 BR is enough of a rule for me...even though it is not what is written. If they say it is ok, then I have no problem doing it. I would never put 6 in there (wouldn't be fun anyway) or anything else "sneaky." But as long as MS knows about it and is fine with it, then so am I. If in the future MS decides to go back to the "letter of the law" and enforce the 4 person rule, then we will abide by that and start reserving 2 Brs.

Then again, AKV 1 BRs (at least SOME of them) will allow 5 "legally" so perhaps occupancy may become less of an issue....

 

[greenban]

Hi Tony and thanks for a fun post! I think, though, that there may be a category somewhere in between "The Rule Followers" and "The I'm Special Group". Not sure what to call this gang of DVCers, but something along the lines of "I follow the rules unless MS says I don't have to." Meaning, that we do not blatantly disregard rules. In fact, we have respect for the rules and do our best to abide by them. However, when MS actually SUGGESTS to us that we should consider a 1 BR for our family of 5 (2 adults and 3 kids, all still young, though over 3) in order to save some points, I think this is acceptable.

The fact that MS allows 5 in a 1 BR is enough of a rule for me...even though it is not what is written. If they say it is ok, then I have no problem doing it. I would never put 6 in there (wouldn't be fun anyway) or anything else "sneaky." But as long as MS knows about it and is fine with it, then so am I. If in the future MS decides to go back to the "letter of the law" and enforce the 4 person rule, then we will abide by that and start reserving 2 Brs.

Then again, AKV 1 BRs (at least SOME of them) will allow 5 "legally" so perhaps occupancy may become less of an issue....

You are so right.......

Another (sadly, rare group) is the Intelligenzia. These are people who actually think BEFORE they act. They calmly and rationally seek out the acurate answer by talking to those in charge, instead of blindly following a 15+ year old document. They are non-judgemental, and reasonable, not demanding their way, but researching the truth.

As you can imagine, all the other groups hate these people!


-Tony

 

[Doctor P]

2) The Rule Followers (I'm in here except for speed limits, but that is another thread). Following rules keeps us all civilized. Maximum benefit for the most. Despite what may be written down, MS officially allows 5 of any age in a 1 Bedroom, 9 of any age in a 2 Bedroom and 13 of any age in a GV (This is contrary to our POS which states the last guest must be under three). MS will allow 5 in a studio if 1 is under three as well! We (this group) tend to feel it doesn't matter what MS allows everyone else to do, we must follow the written word.


-Tony

As one of the rule followers (and proud of it I might add ), I must point out the incorrect statement in your post: nowhere in the POS is the under three exception stated. The occupancy limits in the POS are 4 for Studios and 1BR, 8 for 2BR, and 12 for GV. The additional child under three is merely a concession made by MS and is neither binding nor in the POS.

 

[TenThousandVolts]

I am thinking of purchasing DVC- What is the deal with max. occupancy- It says studio and one bedrooms sleep four- but I know my family could be comfortable in a 1 bedroom even though we are a family of 5. I asked the DVC salesperson and she said they allow 5 in a studio or a 1 bedroom. Is this true?

 

[tjkraz]

What he told you is correct, they do allow 5. But as you noted, the current policy is not in writing so it would be subject to change at any time. Up until 18 months ago, DVC held rigidly to the printed guidelines. Whether they will change again is a topic for endless debate.

Rumor has it the forthcoming DVC development at the Animal Kingdom Lodge will have sleeping accommodations for 5, at least in the One Bedroom units (probably adding a convertible chair in the living room), but that's just one of many details about AKV that have yet to be confirmed in writing.

 

[CarolMN]

I am thinking of purchasing DVC- What is the deal with max. occupancy- It says studio and one bedrooms sleep four- but I know my family could be comfortable in a 1 bedroom even though we are a family of 5. I asked the DVC salesperson and she said they allow 5 in a studio or a 1 bedroom. Is this true?

It's not true for a studio unless one of the 5 is under the age of three. A portable Pac 'n Play crib is provided for the infant.

MS has reportedly been allowing 5 persons of any age in a 1 bedroom unit, but no extra bedding is provided for the 5th person. You'll need to provide your own.

If 5 in a studio/1 bedroom unit is important to you, ask your sales guide why the POS states four. Ask if he/she will put 5 in writing for you and see what happens. Proceed at your own risk.

 

[greenban]

As one of the rule followers (and proud of it I might add ), I must point out the incorrect statement in your post: nowhere in the POS is the under three exception stated. The occupancy limits in the POS are 4 for Studios and 1BR, 8 for 2BR, and 12 for GV. The additional child under three is merely a concession made by MS and is neither binding nor in the POS.

I stand corrected Sir!

I bow to your knowledge of the POS!

I also (along with most of the DIS veterans, I think) know you are a proud rule follower!

Thanks,

-Tony