Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[Doctor P]

I stand corrected Sir!

I bow to your knowledge of the POS!

I also (along with most of the DIS veterans, I think) know you are a proud rule follower!

Thanks,

-Tony

Thanks for taking it in the spirit it was intended, Tony.

 

[jacejace]

we are planning a big family trip and wondering what type(s) of rooms to get. there are a couple of small children and wanted to know if children under the age of 3 are included in the maximum occupancy for rooms?

 

[Sammie]

we are planning a big family trip and wondering what type(s) of rooms to get. there are a couple of small children and wanted to know if children under the age of 3 are included in the maximum occupancy for rooms?

That depends. If the occupany is 4, then you can have 4 over the age of 3 and one under the age of 3. You can't have more than one under the age of 3 in the room over the stated limit.

 

[Dean]

Yes they are included in the occupancy. DVC has had an unofficial policy of routinely allowing one child under 3 above the stated occupancy. But that's not 5 in a 1 BR AND another child under 3 both for a total of 6.

 

[dumbo71]

It's not true for a studio unless one of the 5 is under the age of three. A portable Pac 'n Play crib is provided for the infant.

MS has reportedly been allowing 5 persons of any age in a 1 bedroom unit, but no extra bedding is provided for the 5th person. You'll need to provide your own.

If 5 in a studio/1 bedroom unit is important to you, ask your sales guide why the POS states four. Ask if he/she will put 5 in writing for you and see what happens. Proceed at your own risk.

I'd want the 5 in writing from someone higher up than a DVC guide. They will write anything on paper to sell some points.

I'd love to be the CM checking in these families of 5 who pull out a note from their guide saying it was allowed. Now that would be funny. I'd then pull out a copy of the POS showing 4 and then giving them only 4 keys. Have fun getting the 5 into EMH and other things requiring keys.

This is why I will NEVER be a CM at WDW. You can all thank me now for that one.

A rule is a rule in my book. Just because MS allows it doesn't make it right. That "rule" bending by MS is subject to change at any time. Even during YOUR trip to the world.

Why risk it book a room thAt LEGALLY ALLOWS THIS.

 

[Dean]

I'd want the 5 in writing from someone higher up than a DVC guide. They will write anything on paper to sell some points.

I'd love to be the CM checking in these families of 5 who pull out a note from their guide saying it was allowed. Now that would be funny. I'd then pull out a copy of the POS showing 4 and then giving them only 4 keys. Have fun getting the 5 into EMH and other things requiring keys.

This is why I will NEVER be a CM at WDW. You can all thank me now for that one.

A rule is a rule in my book. Just because MS allows it doesn't make it right. That "rule" bending by MS is subject to change at any time. Even during YOUR trip to the world.

Why risk it book a room thAt LEGALLY ALLOWS THIS.

If MS takes the reservation and puts the number you plan in the unit (i.e. 5 in a studio), I think you are safe. No absolute guarantees but then again, you could walk in with a confirmation that was totally legal in every way and still end up without a room for one of several reasons.

 

[minnie61650]

If MS takes the reservation and puts the number you plan in the unit (i.e. 5 in a studio), I think you are safe. No absolute guarantees but then again, you could walk in with a confirmation that was totally legal in every way and still end up without a room for one of several reasons.

I do not know how the fire codes could allow 5 in a DVC studio.

Here is an interesting reply a Dis member recieved from Disney after inquiring why POR is only the only mod that will sleep 5.

From this thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1287974&page=5&pp=15

Well guys...I wrote to Disney and inquired about the reasons why a roll-a-way or trundle could not be put in other rooms besides POR -AB. This was there response:

"Although we appreciate your interest, please know Florida safety and
fire codes restrict additional bedding due to the reduction in fire
access and egress."

So, it's technically the bedding that restricts this - not the extra person, or the size of the room. This would explain why they are allowing a 5th person to be booked in a one bedroom through DVC but not supplying the bedding.

I have to say I find this interesting and not what I expected to hear!

Any thoughts?

 

[Dean]

I do not know how the fire codes could allow 5 in a DVC studio.

Here is an interesting reply a Dis member recieved from Disney after inquiring why POR is only the only mod that will sleep 5.

From this thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1287974&page=5&pp=15

Can't speak to the fire codes but I can tell you that DVC has always allowed 5 in as studio if one was less than 3. And that prior to a couple of years ago, they routinely allowed 5 in a studio regardless of age. I'm not saying they should, frankly I think they should strictly enforce the occupancy to the letter, but that's just me.

 

[bpmorley]

I'd want the 5 in writing from someone higher up than a DVC guide. They will write anything on paper to sell some points.

I'd love to be the CM checking in these families of 5 who pull out a note from their guide saying it was allowed. Now that would be funny. I'd then pull out a copy of the POS showing 4 and then giving them only 4 keys. Have fun getting the 5 into EMH and other things requiring keys.

This is why I will NEVER be a CM at WDW. You can all thank me now for that one.

A rule is a rule in my book. Just because MS allows it doesn't make it right. That "rule" bending by MS is subject to change at any time. Even during YOUR trip to the world.

Why risk it book a room thAt LEGALLY ALLOWS THIS.

So you've never bent a rule ever?

 

[minnie61650]

Can't speak to the fire codes but I can tell you that DVC has always allowed 5 in as studio if one was less than 3. And that prior to a couple of years ago, they routinely allowed 5 in a studio regardless of age. I'm not saying they should, frankly I think they should strictly enforce the occupancy to the letter, but that's just me.

All of the rooms at Disney allow for 1 extra under the age 3.
The extra child under 3 is not an issue as the fire marshals assume a child under three will be lifted out of the pack and play carried to safety. That is why Disney states 1 additional child in a pack and play under the age of 3.
(Of course they do not expect you to keep the child in the pack and play the entire time you are in the room .)
Therefore that child (they assume) does not take up floor space(since the child is being carried) when evacuating a building so they do not need to add that child in the fire access code.

But the 5 in a studio regardless of age seems to be against the fire code.
Which may be why Disney will not add bedding, or towels.
Maybe Disney does not want to be held liable or fined.
Maybe MS is willing to take the chance just to book a few more rooms.

I also think MS should strictly enforce the occupancy to the letter.

I am afraid if MS is allowing this they are taking the chance of not only being fined but they are risking their fire insurance policy as well.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Scraper]

No No No, don't be sorry.

Your questions were fine and sincere.

This is a hot topic with three or four main camps:

1) The Disney Police (Jack Booted Stormtroopers)
Anyone even thinking about it is evil and must be destroyed. They are a very small percentage, and due to limitations in conveying tone and intent in the written word often come off much harsher than they intended.

2) The Rule Followers (I'm in here except for speed limits, but that is another thread). Following rules keeps us all civilized. Maximum benefit for the most. Despite what may be written down, MS officially allows 5 of any age in a 1 Bedroom, 9 of any age in a 2 Bedroom and 13 of any age in a GV (This is contrary to our POS which states the last guest must be under three). MS will allow 5 in a studio if 1 is under three as well! We (this group) tend to feel it doesn't matter what MS allows everyone else to do, we must follow the written word.

3) The I'm special group: Anything I can get away with I will. Using my kids Dining Plan for adult meals (software loophole 2006), Morphing points to other resorts (software loophole 1992), 32 in a studio,taking beach towels back to thier rooms, checking out after 11AM, etc. Reusing Mugs at other resorts or between years, Holding lounge chairs at the feature pool with their stolen towels, etc. They consume far more resources then they are entitled to and hurt the masses.

4) Hey Man,I'm cool with that, just be mellow. A large group that believes in live and let live. I won't bother yoy, please don't bother me!

5) Rinkwide. A class of his own!

Seriously, even if it seemed that you were jumped upon, for this group (DIS) and this topic (occupancy) it was pretty mellow.

You are a good person, and upset/offended no one (who is human) by your question. Stick around, ask many mor questions and post away!

-Tony[/QUOTE ) I did not know I was in a group but I guess Iam in group 4.

 

[gtrist4life]

Well I didn’t make it through all of this thread (read about the first two and the last 6 or so pages); but I found enough to help us make our decision.

We’re planning on treating very dear friends of ours to DVC accommodations in 2008. They have 3 kids that in 2008 will be 3, 5.5 , and 7.5. We told them that we can reserve a 2BR for their family. After hearing about getting 5 in a Studio or 1BR if one is under 3, I had thought about “stretching” points and reserving a 1BR for them;

I'm glad I found this thread, as we’re going with our original plans and will reserve a 2BR for them. (As a side question, which would you pick OKW or BWV std?)

MS and the POS really should be speaking from the same script; one should change, my vote would be for an age limit for a 5th person in a studio and 1BR. Maybe when the AKV details (about increased occupancies) come out would be a good time to correct this issue.

Peace,
G4L

 

[Disney Fanatic]

Hi Everyone

We are looking to get away on a vacation because we had twins 7 months ago and really need a vacation.

We have a 6 year old son as well who will be travelling with us.

When we bought into DVC we bought enough points to have a studio because it fit our needs perfectly.

Now we realize we need a one bedroom as it makes so much more sense with the space and the kitchen and laundry facilities.

We wanted to bring along our nephew to go on the rides with our 6 year old and he would sleep on the couch with him but MS says this is not allowed.

We would have to spend another $1100.00 to bring him along! Unfortunately we cannot afford to do this and now have to break the bad news to him.

I think I read (but may be wrong) on the resorts board that infants don't count towards the room occupancy. Does anyone know if this is true?

Anyway, our initial points we bought are not going to go very far once they hit 3 years old because we have to jump from a studio to a 2 bedroom!! OUCH!

 

[dianeschlicht]

You should be able to have both infants and the two older children while the twins fit in a Pac N Play, but yes, you WILL need a 2 bedroom once the twins get over 3.

It's one thing I think the sales people don't do well enough. Timeshares have traditionally been based on a 1-3 bedroom plan, and that is what DVC ws originally as well, but many folks try to cut corners now that DVC lowered teh buy in point to just 150 points. Originally, I think the buy in was 220 or 230 and that would get you a 2 bedroom for a week in value season at OKW.

 

[Boston5602]

You should be able to have both infants and the two older children while the twins fit in a Pac N Play, but yes, you WILL need a 2 bedroom once the twins get over 3.

It's one thing I think the sales people don't do well enough. Timeshares have traditionally been based on a 1-3 bedroom plan, and that is what DVC ws originally as well, but many folks try to cut corners now that DVC lowered teh buy in point to just 150 points. Originally, I think the buy in was 220 or 230 and that would get you a 2 bedroom for a week in value season at OKW.

A guy at work has 220 points because that was the min. Disney sold , so he has told me.

 

[Dean]

A guy at work has 220 points because that was the min. Disney sold , so he has told me.

I believe it was 230 initially then they lowered it to 190 then 150. I am not aware of any other stops along the way but it's possible there were.

 

[Deb & Bill]

If you have two adults, two kids three years or older and two kids under the age of three, you have five people plus one under the age of three. Only one of the infants will not count. The other will. DVC and WDW allow ONE child under the age of three. You can't do a one bedroom with six (that includes the infant), but they will allow five (with no additional bedding or linens).

As long as you don't bring anyone along, you should be fine in a one bedroom until the kids don't like to sleep together anymore or MS goes back to what the Public Offering Statement lists as occupancy limits (four in a one bedroom or studio, eight in a two bedroom and twelve in a grand villa).

 

[Chuck S]

I believe it was 230 initially then they lowered it to 190 then 150. I am not aware of any other stops along the way but it's possible there were.

I think there was a 170 or 175 minimum for a short time.

 

[dumbo71]

So you've never bent a rule ever?

Now or as a kid?

I'm sure I've bent rules as a child but as an adult I follow the rules as spelled out. ( well, I did break a posting rule here on the Dis and was given a point but did so accidentally)

I find it very funny how many pick the rules they would like to follow based on their needs at the time.

I'm not looking to cheat the system or get something for free. As related to this thread if I have more than FOUR (4) I book a 2 bedroom, period. In fact I normally book a 2 bedroom for three (3) of us now.

I'm certainly not perfect but I do try to follow the rules especially when speeld out by the POS I received when I purchased.

Remember MS is data entry employees. Anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. The average poster here on the DIS has far more knowledge of DVC than they do.

 

[3DisneyKids]

So you've never bent a rule ever?

He's in favor of commercial renting and that is clearly against the POS. Some people pick and choose which rules are ok, I guess....