Major Vent-and the Reason that I'm Going to Go For Custody After All

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Well, Jules....I guess you're either braver than me or have never been through a physically abusive relationship.
Oh, and by the way....she was definitely his bimbo of the weekend....He dumped her last night.
 
Here's a thought, if you really want custody you better hurry up and do it today because judges don't look kindly on Mother's that leave their children with abusive men, they tend to call it abandonment. I seem to remember you were going to leave the state and not take the kids with you a few months ago because you wanted to go to school. Was that all a bunch of bullpucky?

BTW, I'm surprised you didn't hear this in your 'women's studies' classes, usually women who have been abused don't actually tell an entire group of people that they've been abused but won't tell a counselor because they're scared they will look 'weak and powerless.

Unless there is some sort of proof that you've been abused, say a phone call to the police or something of that nature the judge will barely give it a second thought. He will assume that you are sasying it to gain custody, a custody that you freely gave away.
 
HW, I don't want to be presumptious, but the best thing you can do for you and your children is to seek counseling. If you have been battered physically, its more than likely you have been battered emotionally as well.

While we on the DIS are here to listen, we really aren't trained counselors. You need someone who is trained in the field of psychology and has experience working with battered women. That coupled with a good lawyer.

I hope I don't sound harsh, but I feel that I would be doing you an injustice if I didn't say something directly to you. This is a Disney message board, you certainly will get all sorts of opinions, but no one has walked in your shoes, and no one that I am aware of is trained to counsel you.

Good luck.
 
Snoopy, I know that and I have made an appointment to go get counseling from the school.
 

You're right. I have never been in an abusive relationship. But if I ever had been, I can't imagine leaving that relationship and leaving my children with the abuser. There are shelters that help families in abusive situations. I'm sure if you took the kids and went there, they would have helped you.

Not to sound harsh, but I think the reason you left the children was not out of fear, but you wanted to re-live your care-free college days and be responsibility free for a while. I'm sure most parents have wanted to do that at one time or another, but most of them don't actually do it. I know going to school and being a single parent is difficult, I've done it. I worked 32 hrs per week and was a full time college student. It's not easy, but it is possible.
 
Jules, I'm not really doing that and it's not what I wanted. If I could have everything the way I wanted it, I'd have Thom the way he was at the beginning of our relationship (before he became abusive) or another man who is very similar to the way he was and I would have my kids. Unfortunately, I didn't see a way to do that. I do now, but it's scary.
 
You have received some excellent, well thought-out advice here and yet I doubt that you will take it. You just seem to rationalize what seem to me to be some poor decisions. I think you were (and are) overwhelmed by marring and having children too young and you want to abdicate that responsibility at all costs. Tough noogies as my kids would say. You bore the children and you are stuck with it. If I were in your situation I would grab the kids, find an appropriate living situation and a part-time job. I would look into scholarships for myself. There are lots of them out there. And if it takes a little longer to finish college so be it.

I realize this sounds very harsh - much harsher than all the others who are telling you the same thing in a kinder, gentler way. However if I were in your shoes (and thank heavens I am not) I would not be worrying about boyfriends, my ex's girl friends or anything except my kids. You need to take care of those kids, first and foremost, not yourself, not your ex = just the kids.

PLEASE take some action now. Get some counseling as Snoopy suggested, talk to a lawyer (there are free legal clinics), find an apartment and a job. YOU NEED TO DO IT NOW.

If you want to pm me or e-mail me please feel free to do so. I will do everything I can to help you.
 
sounds like some really good advice to me Marla's Mom


I can't even imagine what Dr. Phil would have to say to this situation:rolleyes:
 
Not to be rude, but who gives a fig what Dr. Phil would say. I would bet that most of the people here passing judgement have never be in the situation. It is because people pass judgement on the victim and often outright say that they are lying, that victims stay and are afraid.

Now I don't know Becki and I can't say with certainty that she didn't want a carefree life and that is why she left her kids with Thom. But I do know many abused wives, and Becki's story rings true. If you ever have known someone who was abused, they often go through great lengths to cover it up. Not only because of embarrasment, but because the abuser MADE her believe she did something wrong not him.

I went to the Sexual Assualt, Sexual Harrassment and Domestic Violence conference less than a month ago...and the best line I heard during the conference is "everyone always asks the victim 'why did you stay' but no one ever asks the abuser 'why did you beat'"

Please bear in mind that abusers do not walk up to a person, punch them in the face and then ask them for a date. They are the nicest guys when you first meet them. Then little by little they tear down the self esteem, they get the victim isolated from friends and family, they slowly make the victim believe that they wouldn't yell, belittle, hit etc "if only you did better". They also are all apologies, flowers, and candy the next day...begging for forgiveness and telling you that only you can change them. It is a pattern that is hard to break. Also, very often the abuse gets to be the worst right after the victim decides to leave.

With that in mind, Becki, I hope you get the help you need. As I said before, talk with a lawyer...check with your local victim advocacy agency for a referal. But do try and get the kids away, because while he might not abuse them now, as they get older and have their own will, he might try to subject them also. If you haven't done so, write down all incidences that you can remember. Also do see the counselor. You need to rebuild the self esteem that has been torn down. And while I know you are in a happy relationship, please do not get offended if the counselor states it might not be best. Often, domestic violence victims, need to be alone and happy with themselves, before they can be happy in a relationship....even if they do seem happy in it. Reason being, because they are basing their self esteem on their partner and not themselves.

And be advised, while someone here stated that the judge would frown on you leaving the kids with him if he has been abusive, unfortunetaly that is not true. (edited to say, not unfortunately for you, but just in general that the courts don't take the issue of abuse in a marriage seriously many times and also do not see that it could put the children at a higher risk of being abused by the abuser down the line). There are many cases in which the abusive husband gets full visitation without any kids of supervision since he hasn't touched the kids. I have seen this happen even where there are restraining orders keeping the abuser away from the victim...all they needed to do was get a third party to do the pick ups and drop offs.

While we would love to think that the courts and the system is on the side of the abused, if you work in the victim advocacy area for any length of time, you will see that is often not the case.
 
Not to be rude, but who gives a fig what Dr. Phil would say. I would bet that most of the people here passing judgement have never be in the situation. It is because people pass judgement on the victim and often outright say that they are lying, that victims stay and are afraid.


Not to be rude, but I said the Dr. Phil statement in a sarcastic nature. Hence the rolling of the eyes. I can't stand the man, but sometimes we do need to stop sugar coating it just like Marla's Mom did.

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I don't think you really have to be in an abusive relationship to know what you would do if you were, and what you would do with your kids.

But that's just IMHO.:eek:
 
If it wasn't for me and the h*ll that I went through with my pregnancy to have Bobby, he wouldn't even have him. This is making me seriously reconsider suing for custody of the children.

I find this statement disturbing. Seek custody because you want to be with your children, because you want to invest the time and love it takes to raise them well, because you love them. Not because you want to get back at your ex-husband for some reason or another.

I am a mom. I am now a single mom. My reason for seeking custody of my daughter was because I love her and I want her to be part of my life. Not because I was seeking revenge against her father.

As a mother I would do anything for my child. There is no risk too great for the safety and well being of my child. I could not and would not leave her with someone who I knew was capable of abuse even if he or she had not abused my child at that point. Like an earlier poster said, the best you can say of that situation is that he has not abused your children yet.

As the other posters have said, please consider getting some counseling. Based on these statements, I don't know if you've carefully thought out your reasoning for wanting custody. It appears to me it's just to get back at your husband because you're angry at decisions he's made, not because you want to have the responsibility of raising your children full time.
 
If you are truly committed to getting custody of your children, the first thing you need to do is get a lawyer. Get a lawyer and if you are in fear of retribution from your ex, get a restraining order. This is 2002 - there are a lot more options for women in your position than my Grandmother had. And if she could leave her drunk abusive husband and raise 5 kids on her own, then you certainly can.

Grab your phone book and call the local women's organizations. They will be able to refer you to legal counsel as well as psychological help. They might even pay for it.

You might need to work full time and go to school part time in order to afford a place to live where your kids would have a room of their own and social services would approve. You need to prove that you can provide a warmer and more secure home than your ex.

Forget about who your ex is balling. He's your ex. You have moved on with your love life - let him move on with his. Any negativity about the dating situation is going to make things much worse.

finally, I beg of you- do whatever you can to get those kids out of that house. He might not abuse the kids now, but that sure as hell doesn't mean he won't do it tomorrow. And quite frankly, it's not a good environment for your kids even if he didn't beat them. Kids learn from example and if your daughter grows up with her Dad treating women like hell, she's going to think that's how SHE is supposed to be treated. And your son could very well turn into an abuser himself. You need to break the cycle of abuse.
 
Aprincessmom, it's more like because I see that he's going to shut me out of their lives the best he can and I'm not going to put up with that. It was me who bore those children and I'm the one who has the RIGHT and to have them, and the one that loves them more than he does because I would never shut him out of their lives because it would be bad for them, not because it would be bad for him. I think the parent that cares more should have them.
Jenn, according to him I'm the only woman he's ever hit and he says it's only because I drove him to it. I used to buy that, but I don't anymore.
 
It doesn't matter if you're the first woman he hit, or the 500th.
Abusers don't stop on their own. No matter how many times they say they are sorry. No matter how much they cry and beg and say this time was the last - they don't stop on their own.

Abusers don't like it when their victims leave them. It means they are losing control. Abuse is about control. If you do not nip this in the bud by getting legal help, getting psychological help, and getting those kids out of there- it's going to escalate. And you very could wind up dead. Or he could get so mad he could snap and send your kids in the hospital or worse.

A very good friend of mine almost lost her daughter because her husband lost too much money at the track and got mad because the daughter was crying because she didn't feel well. You know what happened? The girl has brain damage now because the Father backhanded her and sent her flying against the wall. Before then, his fists were reserved solely for my friend. He never touched the daughter beforehand.

Another friend of mine from college is dead because she broke up with her fiance, he followed her home one night 10mos later and beat her to death with a tire iron. This is a man that hit her once and then she left him. Abuse escalates.
 
The psychological help I've made an appointment for. The legal I'm going to look into Legal Aid (the only problem is that I think they'll still count his salary as part of my assets because we're still legally married)....I will call some of the women's organizations in town tomorrow and let them know what's happening. I really do hope they'll help me. I'm lucky that I get free counseling through VCU.
 
Maybe I got in on this story too late but I'm confused.

Becki - if you feel that the parent that loves the children the most should have custody then why did you willingly give custody to your ex? You shouldn't have to worry about abusive repercussions in these days and ages. The police in Richmond, Henrico and Chesterfield (not sure where you are living now) are extremely sensitive towards abuse and wouldn't think twice about hauling him away.

Is he shutting you out of their lives? Is he denying visitation? If so, you should get a lawyer ASAP. If it is just about the birthday party that he had for your son, I don't think that is shutting you out of his life. You said you had a party for Bobbie on his actual birthday. I don't think there is anything wrong with him having a small party with just him and the kids and if he brings a new friend, it's not a big deal.
 
He's been doing it in other ways (more subtle), but yes, he has been shutting me out of their lives (more Jessi's than Bobby's.) For instance, I wasn't told about parent/teacher conferences today and given a chance to attend. I'm not told about things Jessi is going to do at school. The only time he lets me have enough contact with them is when they'd "be in his way" because he has a date or wants to work overtime.
 
Sorry but I do not buy the abusive husband story. Can anyone guess why?

Most abusive men would rather see their wives dead than not living with them. They are control freaks to the nth degree. Why do you think that women have to run and hide in shelters from them?

This man let her go willingly? I think not.

Also he would not have allowed Becki to have any kind of friendship, with anyone. He probably would have cut her off from her parents. And allowing her to use the computer for the DIS? Forget it!!

Sorry I don't buy the abusive husband story.
 
I do know a little something about abusive relationships, please don't presume that I don't. The abusive relationship story came up as soon as he got a girlfriend and was ready to move on.

Let's not forget that HW was planning to leave the state WITHOUT the kids and see them a 'couple of times a year'. I remember this well because she asked us if that would make her a bad mother, and I was one of the people who said a resounding "YES".

I don't remember reading anything about abuse until yesterday, after he wanted his girlfriend at the party. Why HW wanted to be at a party with Thom's father, his friend, and his wife is beyond me.

HW, if you want custody that's all fine and good, I suggest you get a job, and an apartment with a bedroom for your kids. Sitting on this computer telling us that 'you're going for custody' means nothing to those kids. I think you're old enough to take a little responsibility for yourself, start today.
 
One more thing, if you want to know what is going on at your kids school, I suggest you call the school and have them send you a schedule of all events, they are required to give you any information they give Thom, assuming you have joint custody. Yes, I know something about this too.
 
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