Looking for Predictions on DVC Resorts between LSL and 2042

[juliebee]

2) I don't think DVC will build any new properties between LSL and 2042. They'll feel too snakebit to commit more money to another boondoggle any time soon.

I don't agree with this. They want to keep selling properties, so if they feel that LSL is a "boondoggle" then they will just get smarter about the next location and it's offerings. It would be wild to think DVC would go the 15 years between 2027 (LSL) and 2042 without selling major quantities of new direct memberships.

 

[Patmcpsu]

I don't agree with this. They want to keep selling properties, so if they feel that LSL is a "boondoggle" then they will just get smarter about the next location and it's offerings. It would be wild to think DVC would go the 15 years between 2027 (LSL) and 2042 without selling major quantities of new direct memberships.

I think repurposing Yacht Club would scratch that itch and involve the least risk. It would also fill the void that is coming to the Crescent Lake area in 2042.

 

[Headless]

there is no way they go 15 years without something. Look at how many projects they've had in the past fifteen years.

I just keep crossing my fingers with each new announcement they lean more back into more themed resorts and experiential stays and less into Hilton tower version 6.

 

[CraigInPA]

2) I don't think DVC will build any new properties between LSL and 2042. They'll feel too snakebit to commit more money to another boondoggle any time soon.

Is AUL a "boondoggle"? While it's taking forever to sell out, DVD/Disney is able to rent all that undeclared inventory out. Likewise, we see the same thing at RIV. I suspect LSL will play out like RIV and AUL. It'll take some time to sell out, and DVD/Disney will be collecting money from renting undeclared inventory.

 

[Girlstar30]

I really think LSL needs that lazy river. They need something to differentiate themselves big time from WL which it will be compared to heavily.

Also the location isn't ideal compared to monorail resorts. I dont doubt disney will make up for this with an impressive pool and perhaps some really good restaurants.

 

[ParrotBill]

I think we could see one or two minor expansions as mentioned here, but the master plan has little allowance for new resorts to be built - If I remember right, north of Grand Floridian is one of those areas slated for hotel development.

There is not room for more building at Riviera.

Boardwalk is a great opportunity. They could add a garden wing and lakeside extension if they sacrificed Atlantic Dance Hall, with a passthrough to Swan and Dolphin and more retail/food space on the first floor. I think conversion at the Inn side is less likely as it would be seriously disruptive.

BC/YC - space is tight to do construction on either side, but I suppose conversion of some of it to studios is possible.

OKW - something nobody mentions much - there is actually room for two expansions at OKW if they wanted to without disruption.

I think the business model for DVC continues to be problematic for moderate resorts and they will avoid that.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

There is not room for more building at Riviera

For net new construction, maybe not...but if they demolish the Aruba section of Caribbean and build RIV II to bookend the skyliner? Or even Martinique and extend the other way.

 

[ParrotBill]

oh - and don't forget we are only a decade away from Disney Vacation Development needing to ramp up for whatever happens as Old Key West and Boardwalk contracts expire...

 

[ParrotBill]

For net new construction, maybe not...but if they demolish the Aruba section of Caribbean and build RIV II to bookend the skyliner? Or even Martinique and extend the other way.

You mean a whole new resort, or an extension? The character of the resort is connected towers and shared facilities. If their master plan wanted to include an extension, I think they would have done the waterway modifications with the original build. The lagoon and a retention pond are pretty much in the way and would need serious environmental permits to change. The present north end cluster of CBR is too far to be an "extension" to the hotel really. It would need another pool and parking lot and possibly bus stop.

 

[Joroc0801]

I'm not well versed but I think I've gathered from previous threads that DVD has a 10 year period after initial declaration to add to a resort. This would mean Riviera has until 2030 to add a second building. If that is their intention we'd probably start to see construction start around the time LSL is complete. Riv would be the last eligible resort for expansion since CCV would be out of scope in 2028 and with no developments there and LSL opening next door that won't be happening.

If they went with the Riv option, that would leave 2030-2042 for new builds. Their construction prep areas near GF/Poly could be a prime candidate for a new resort.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

You mean a whole new resort, or an extension? The character of the resort is connected towers and shared facilities. If their master plan wanted to include an extension, I think they would have done the waterway modifications with the original build. The lagoon and a retention pond are pretty much in the way and would need serious environmental permits to change. The present north end cluster of CBR is too far to be an "extension" to the hotel really. It would need another pool and parking lot and possibly bus stop.

The parking lot already exists, and so does a pool (though I imagine they would want to modify). I'm just not sure why they couldn't throw up another tower with its own dining options and make it part of the RIV association?

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

Please give me your predictions to the below questions.

1) How many years do you think it will take for Lakeshore Lodge (LSL) to sell out once it goes on sale?
2) How many other resorts do you think DVC will construct at DW after LSL but before 2042?
3) Where do you think additional resorts will be built? Will there be another Epcot resort between now and 2042?

1) 3-4 years, depending on incentives. There's big movement when they do fire sales in the $150-$165 range.
2) The pattern is one opens every two years, so I'm assuming they'll keep doing that until the well runs dry(er).
3a) I can see Riv 2 and cannibalize more of Caribbean Beach
3b) Flip BLT 2
3c) Flip Grand Destino
3d) MAYBE a direct access resort at Epcot
3e) New Villains Land back entrance accessible via railroad OR Skyliner extension (dreaming here.)
3f) Direct access to Animal Kingdom when Encanto/Zootopia stuff opens? That would help attendance over there and be an amazing perk.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

1) 3-4 years, depending on incentives. There's big movement when they do fire sales in the $150-$165 range.
2) The pattern is one opens every two years, so I'm assuming they'll keep doing that until the well runs dry(er).
3a) I can see Riv 2 and cannibalize more of Caribbean Beach
3b) Flip BLT 2
3c) Flip Grand Destino
3d) MAYBE a direct access resort at Epcot
3e) New Villains Land back entrance accessible via railroad OR Skyliner extension (dreaming here.)
3f) Direct access to Animal Kingdom when Encanto/Zootopia stuff opens? That would help attendance over there and be an amazing perk.

Hiccup with Gran Destino is no balconies. Would they be able to refurb to add those/would it be "worth it"?

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

Hiccup with Gran Destino is no balconies. Would they be able to refurb to add those/would it be "worth it"?

True, no balconies stinks, but they could do club level on points there, and that would be amazing. Throw in a Skyliner extension and make the conventioneers go back to the casitas for cheap rooms, I think it'll sell well.

 

[ParrotBill]

The parking lot already exists, and so does a pool (though I imagine they would want to modify). I'm just not sure why they couldn't throw up another tower with its own dining options and make it part of the RIV association?

Oh you went the other side. I see. Well, it's not a simple "add a tower" then. If you take all that land you would build an expansion nearly as big as the first one. It would need it's own check in desk and staff, bell services, new food options, and a rebuild of the pool area - if you are gonna bulldoze that much you aren't gonna save the pool.

I guess I expect to see smaller projects after Lakeside Lodge, leading up to the "big purge" that begins 2042.