line cheaters at Princess Fairytale hall

[kittyab]

I agree. I guess I don't understand why my kindergartners know that cutting in line isn't right but adults don't grasp the same concept.

If you have a young child, go to the bathroom before you get in line. Its not a difficult concept. I also don't bring young children on lines that are hours long. That is just crazy and with a little planning can be avoided.

Well my DD does not have a bladder of steel and neither do I. If a CM says it is ok for Dad to hold the spot so us ladies can use the washroom then it is OK to do so. Even if I had her use the bathroom before getting in line after 2 hours she will need to go again.

 

[WillAustin]

With a similarity to people who enter the express line at the grocery store even though they have 35 items, they believe their time is far more important than anyone else's.

People using the bathroom emergency situation as similar doesn't fit. I can look everyone around me in the eye and ask politely if I can quickly take my son to the rest room. Every time I've seen that done, nobody minds. Just pushing past others with no explanation or just to "meet my family" doesn't fly.

 

[dkrauss]

We did the 4 hour wait at Norway to meet Anna and Elsa. NO ONE waited in line as a group. one person always held the line and the rest of the family joined at the end. Is this any different? As long as they don't "jump the rope", it is first come, first served.

This is one of the most, for lack of a better word, "Divisive" subjects when visiting WDW.......IMHO! Prior to my Sept 2014 visit I sat clearly on the "That's cutting..." side of the fence. However, while waiting in line to visit the with 7 Dwarves" at MNSSHP...........my mind was changed. We met a dad (family with 3 little ones) in front of us........and a grand-dad (with gran ma, son/daugher and 2 little ones) behind us in that line..........which began at 5:30pm for a 7:00pm M&G start. Both were some of the nicest folks we met during our trip. All they were doing was holding a spot for children who just didn't (and really couldn't) have the attention span to stand (in the rain.......) to meet and have their pictures taken with the 7 dwarves! Holding these spots made no describable dent in the overall time we had to wait........1 family......1 group of photos! I think in most cases this is what you'll find...........and when its children does it really matter...........to some maybe.........to me not at all. We were in the front of the line............now if you're in the back and 1/2 the line does this...............is there a time impact? Excellent question for which I have no answer.

However, if 1 person is holding for a large group of folks with intentions of multiple sets of photos.............that could become an issue..............See why I said this is Divisive? It's all a point of view..........what is a bit disturbing is that I believe Disney has a rule against this, at any level............and it doesn't seem to be enforced uniformly............but then again how could it?

Doug

 

[WillAustin]

what is a bit disturbing is that I believe Disney has a rule against this, at any level............and it doesn't seem to be enforced uniformly............but then again how could it?

They do have a rule. I have seen it enforced differently depending on each particular line. In lines where a lot of the queue is out in the open (i.e. Merida), I've seen CMs tell people they can hold places for their kids to return later. On lines inside railings/ropes, I've seen them make people wait for their whole family before entering the line.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

It wouldn't bother me at all. I'd rather have dad hold the line than listen to two little girls whine/cry/fidget/complain for an hour that they have to wait in line.

I've never done it before but if we go to MNSSHP I will be holding the line for the 7 Dwarfs for us. I plan to get in line at 530 because I want to see them and I'm sure DD will come along around 630.

 

[Newsies]

Does anyone agree with me that the actual act of line cutting is not the problem, but the sense of entitlement that instills so many people is? To me, it's all about the attitude. I would gladly let a kind mother with a young child apologizing profusely for her situation go to meet her family front of me. I would not let anyone in front of me who is pushing their way past everyone, demanding to get to the front and yelling at others because they have someone holding their place at the front of the line. As long as you don't act entitled or rude to me, I with sympathize with you to an extent.

 

[RogueKnits]

All that said if you are a tour group and one person is holding a spot for 50 that's not cool

I don't have a major problem with it if it's a family with small children. I have, however, been in line to meet a character and a group of 8-10 teenagers from a tour group jumped in front of me to meet up with their friend that was holding the line. That's not cool with me. If you're over the age of 12, you can wait in line with the rest of us. Especially when you are all taking individual pictures with the characters.

 

[SeanTomorrow]

Are we sure this isn't all FP+'s fault? As I understand the old FP- system, the father could have run ahead with his children's tickets and grabbed FP reservations for everyone. Same effect, but the cutting is less visible.

// I'm being a little tongue-in-cheek, but really this "run ahead" strategy seemed to be widely endorsed for FP-

 

[Gracie09]

Well my DD does not have a bladder of steel and neither do I. If a CM says it is ok for Dad to hold the spot so us ladies can use the washroom then it is OK to do so. Even if I had her use the bathroom before getting in line after 2 hours she will need to go again.

I guess you missed the part where I said I don't bring my young children into hour long lines. I, as their parent, know their limits and plan around it. Just like a do at home. They use the bathroom before the two hour drive to visit grandma. They don't get to chug a large bottle of water in the car.

 

[kittyab]

I guess you missed the part where I said I don't bring my young children into hour long lines. I, as their parent, know their limits and plan around it. Just like a do at home. They use the bathroom before the two hour drive to visit grandma. They don't get to chug a large bottle of water in the car.

No I expect to be prepared for potty breaks. I have bladder issues so even I went to the bathroom before getting in line and drank NOTHING. Within a hour or so I will need to go again.

My dd is pretty much the same. I am not going to say sorry honey you can't meet A&E because you may need to go potty while in line. Like I said the CM was fine with it when I asked.

 

[smitch425]

I have no issues with people who are in the line and need to leave and return due to an emergency of any sort as long as they are respectful going and coming.

 

[dmband]

There is a difference between taking maximum advantage while staying within the rules, and breaking the rules just because you know you won't get caught. Disney does not allow line jumping, and if they catch you they will make you leave the line and go back to the end. Shoplifting is not "working the system" even if you don't get caught. Same with line jumping.

You are missing the point, it is not for us to judge. Shoplifting isn't right but if someone does it that's on them and not me or you. Doesn't matter what the rule is or how small/big it might be it's not up to us to judge them as we all have things we can work on to make us better people.
Oh and I am pretty sure no where in disneys rules does it say you can't join your family member, totally different then "true" line jumping

 

[hookedonears]

Not even for a parent to take a child to the bathroom? You know those lines can be 2+ hours long, right?

Hopefully the potty patrol isn't going to make some 5 year old wet themselves, jeez.

For that, sure there's no problem, the whole party gets out of line and returns to the back of the line.

 

[EmilyS90]

For that, sure there's no problem, the whole party gets out of line and returns to the back of the line.

I'm not gonna punish a small child for having to pee. It literally hurts no one for one parent to take a child to the potty and the rest of the party to wait.

 

[Amanda999]

We did the 4 hour wait at Norway to meet Anna and Elsa. NO ONE waited in line as a group. one person always held the line and the rest of the family joined at the end. Is this any different? As long as they don't "jump the rope", it is first come, first served.

But I believe that the Epcot A&E m/g was different (had different rules) than any other character line, at least it did when I was there Presidents week (Feb.) 2014: the line was 6 hours most of the time for several days, and it was hot for Feb (over 90 degrees), and the line was clogging up the walkway in World Showcase. CMs actively encouraged people in the A&E line to only have 1 person per party wait in the line - for the above reasons, and to protect kids from a 6 hour line in the sun. Truly - a CM would walk up and down the line asking all but 1 per family/group to leave.

I do alot of long character lines, and I've asked during later trips whether that's permitted (if you can hold a spot in line for your family). The CMs (in different character lines - e.g., Sorcerer Mickey at HS) all have said no - that the Epcot A&E m/g was a special situation. But, also did say they wouldn't have a problem with a parent and a young child getting out of line to use the bathroom (i.e., sounded like while it would be an exception, it wasn't a problem at all - it would be permitted 99.9% of the time).

YMMV - just reporting what I learned.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

But I believe that the Epcot A&E m/g was different (had different rules) than any other character line, at least it did when I was there Presidents week (Feb.) 2014: the line was 6 hours most of the time for several days, and it was hot for Feb (90 degrees or so), and the line was clogging up the walkway in World Showcase. CMs actively encouraged people in the A&E line to only have 1 person per party wait in the line - for the above reasons, and to protect kids from a 6 hour line in the sun. Truly - a CM would walk up and down the line asking all but 1 per family/group to leave.

This meet and greet also ended up being much more popular and crowded than anyone anticipated. There wasn't room in the pavilion for the line. There were people waiting 5-7 hours. It made sense in that particular venue to say that one person should remain in the line. There's no such issue at Fairytale Hall.

It's not like the guy the OP referred to was trying to spare his kids a multi-hour wait. At most they would have had to wait about 10-15 extra minutes had they all gotten in line together at the rest of the family's pace. I am not sure why they felt it was necessary for him to outpace his party so they could join up with him when they got there.

 

[IndyRnRfan]

With a similarity to people who enter the express line at the grocery store even though they have 35 items, they believe their time is far more important than anyone else's.

People using the bathroom emergency situation as similar doesn't fit. I can look everyone around me in the eye and ask politely if I can quickly take my son to the rest room. Every time I've seen that done, nobody minds. Just pushing past others with no explanation or just to "meet my family" doesn't fly.

You are correct. I wouldn't mind if you were already in line and then needed to leave for a bathroom break. I don't see this as a problem at all. However, a member of your family rushing up to get so many spots ahead while your family lags behind is not going to fly and it shouldn't be tolerated. You should be walking with your family anyways, not running up in front. Who even thinks that is acceptable on a "family" vacation?

I also want to say I admire those of you willing to wait in line for 4 hours or more. I could never do this nor would I ask my wife to do this. I guess I am lucky my son was never into the meet and greats.

 

[Dis703]

Just to play devils advocate. I don't think the dad is meeting a princess, what difference would it make if he holds the place and lets the little girls take his spot?

Is it against Disney rules? Then, yes, this shouldn't be allowed.

Anyone know for sure?

I think along this way as well. Particularly for a meet and greet where everyone is going in together anyhow. Now if you were on a ride where it means it's going to take longer to load and it's a large group I might be upset. Otherwise it's NBD to me.

 

[Candleshoe]

The thing about the potty breaks is that you SEE the parent and the kids leave the line, and you know what's up as they pass you going out, and when they come back and pass you going in, it is okay.

It's when a parent gets in line without the kids and later another parent pushes past you. Before getting in a line you all go to the restroom. Now little kids sometimes need another break during the line, or thought they didn't need to go. That's acceptable. But for one parent to grab a spot while the other takes them to the bathroom, or shopping or dumbo, and then jumps line, it feels wrong.

They do have a rule. I have seen it enforced differently depending on each particular line. In lines where a lot of the queue is out in the open (i.e. Merida), I've seen CMs tell people they can hold places for their kids to return later. On lines inside railings/ropes, I've seen them make people wait for their whole family before entering the line.

And for me, this is the biggest difference. If the line is outdoors, then I am more relaxed about it all. It's the pushing through a queue inside railings/ropes that bothers me the most.

Also if people push past me going forward who never pushed past me going out.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It isn't "against the rules." I have two sons with AD/HD and many times when they were younger we would have one parent wait in a character line while the other parent sat elsewhere with the kids (for the benefit of our family as well as those who would have been stuck in the tight space with them). We were always told by CMs that it was absolutely no problem - character lines are different from ride lines.

But far be it from me to rain on anyone's judgment party. If there is anything people on the Dis hate, it's the idea that somebody somewhere might be gaining an advantage somehow.

When you say 'sat elsewhere' do you mean you all arrived at the queue entrance together but for the convenience and comfort of everyone you waited nearby/in view? Or do you mean one adult waited in line while the rest of the group was elsewhere, only showing up close to character time?

Ok. But my kids will still get to see Anna and Elsa 10 minutes before your kids, so we "win" - but I hope calling my kids "line cutter"s will make you feel better. As another poster said, people need to relax. Life's too short to get worked up over such trivial things.

People who race ahead of a crowd to be first need to relax, especially when the rest of their party gains a clear advantage. If ten minutes isn't a big deal, why are you sending someone ahead?

I already explained that there is a big difference between holding spots for a ride versus a character meet. It also depends upon the age of the kids. I don't expect little kids to have the patience to wait in long lines. Frankly, why would anyone want to wait in a line full of squirming fussy kids? The dad staking out a spot as a placeholder is doing his kids and everyone else a favor! Now in the rare case that Octomom's 8 (or more now?) kids show up as she nears the front of the line, that would be annoying, but come on now - that's not happening.

People are acting like this is no different than one teenager letting his 5 friends join him at the front of Space Mountain. That's not even close to the same situation.

You all get to the line together, then wait as indicated by the rules, common sense,or common courtesy. Upon arriving at the queue entrance together, either you all get in line, or some membersof your party wait nearby. This man wasn't acting as a placeholder, he was racing ahead so the rest of his family also on the way to the queue could get in line ahead of people faster than they.

You are missing the point, it is not for us to judge. Shoplifting isn't right but if someone does it that's on them and not me or you. Doesn't matter what the rule is or how small/big it might be it's not up to us to judge them as we all have things we can work on to make us better people.
Oh and I am pretty sure no where in disneys rules does it say you can't join your family member, totally different then "true" line jumping

Shoplifting isn't 'not right'. It's a criminal activity. Line jumping is what's not right.