line cheaters at Princess Fairytale hall

[ljca79]

As I previously wrote, we are brand newbies to WDW, but this conversation is somewhat disappointing. I thought the whole point of going to WDW was to experience the magic and be around a bunch of happy people, rather than by disgruntled complainers with whom we must deal in "regular" life. I understand the "what's the cutoff for a reasonable number of people joining the person waiting" point, but would posit that the cutoff is probably a nuclear family. In other words, I would happily hold a place for my husband and two children, or join my husband if he was waiting, but I would not dream of holding a place for my husband, our children, my brother and his children, and my sister-in-law with her children. Nor would I blink at anyone holding a place for their partner and children. I might sigh to myself if 10 people joined one in line, but it sure will not ruin my day. I hope those in the parks when we are there have the same idea - it only takes one easily bristled guest to make a whole room of people upset or uncomfortable. I, for one, do not plan on being that guest! You never know what someone else has going on and making a fuss about an extra five minutes in an hour long line seems really over-the-top...even in "regular" life.

 

[alvernon90]

As another poster said, people need to relax. Life's too short to get worked up over such trivial things.

If it's so trivial, why not wait your turn? Why do you have to push forward in front of people instead of letting your line-cutting accomplice let people push past him until you have caught up to him? If 10 minutes is no big deal, why not wait for 10 minutes instead of shoving other children out of the way so you can go in front of them?

The kind of breathtaking hypocrisy you display is why going to WDW will always be a frustrating experience: jerks want to blame other people for pointing out that they are jerks.

 

[Southern Bell]

I would not pay any attention to someone holding a place in line for a character for a couple of their children, especially if they were all waiting in line and a child had to go to the restroom and back. I kind of think it is silly they would have to get at the back of the line after waiting. That's a necessary thing for small children. My daughter asked what should we do, and a girl at Disney had us (4 adults and 1 child) step out of line while my daughter took her son to the restroom, and then she put us back in line when she returned for the character. So... we didn't have to get all the way in the back of the line again, but we did have to let others in front of us if we were not there all together. I thought it was a fair solution to everyone concerned!

 

[klo1335]

I am on the fence here. While I can understand a Dad going ahead to get a place for his 2 kids to see Elsa and Anna or a kid who has a diaper explosion while in line. I can also understand a child who "has to go bad" while waiting in line. You should know you kids too. Ask them to go before they get in a long line. If you are all in line and one has to "go bad" take the other one with you and have them try so you aren't running back and forth. That being said, if the dad or whomever is saving a space for more then 2-3 kids, than that isn't cool. When you go to Disney you have to wait in lines. I am already preparing my 8 & 5 year old for it. We don't cut in line. Nothing irritates me more then waiting in line just to have a group of 10 people cut into the line. I thought Disney had signs posted about line cutting?

 

[alvernon90]

Some of the same people who complain about line cutting are the ones getting throw away rooms and "working the system" (not saying anyone specifically in this thread, just an example in general)

There is a difference between taking maximum advantage while staying within the rules, and breaking the rules just because you know you won't get caught. Disney does not allow line jumping, and if they catch you they will make you leave the line and go back to the end. Shoplifting is not "working the system" even if you don't get caught. Same with line jumping.

 

[Candleshoe]

I thought Disney had signs posted about line cutting?

If they do I have either forgotten them or haven't seen them.
They're prominently displayed at Six Flags, including a warning that you would be expelled from the park.

 

[_Mickey_]

Oh, I didn't call your kids line cutter, YOU are the line cutter. Wonderful example to set for your kids.

Wow, this thread turned negative fast. Is it really necessary to be so negative to fellow disboarders? I understand this is a hot topic, but there's no need to insult someone's parenting - you don't know this person personally. This is the problem with online interactions, if you aren't talking with a person face to face and are posting under an "anonymous" identity it's easier to be negative, hurtful, and downright offensive. Just keep in mind what you say does and can effect others.

*ok rant over*

That being said, I can definitely see both sides of the coin. I do think there is certain circumstances were saving a spot is acceptable (i.e. potty breaks and children with disabilities). I certainly wouldn't think that 1 person holding a spot for 10+ people would be acceptable in anybody's book. If Disney did have a no spot holding rule, I think it would prove difficult to enforce (at least for outside queues), much like the no flash spiel that a great deal of people seem to like to ignore...

 

[EmilyS90]

Getting in and out of lines for any reason is not acceptable period

Not even for a parent to take a child to the bathroom? You know those lines can be 2+ hours long, right?

Hopefully the potty patrol isn't going to make some 5 year old wet themselves, jeez.

 

[kittyab]

When it was time for my DD to meet A&E, I got in line and held her spot while her and my dh went to the restroom and got drinks. I see no issue. The CM knew I was there for my DD had no issue. It is not cutting.

 

[OZMom]

Nope doesn't bother me at all. We waited nearly 2 hours to meet Sandy Claws in November. About 10 minutes before we got to the front, DS needed to potty. DH took him and I stayed with our other son until they got back. CM and people in line were super gracious about letting them back in line. I think it's kinda unreasonable to think a child waiting in line for 2 hours should have known better and gone before they got in line, and it's also unreasonable to expect them to wait in the same line another 2 hours. Do I think it's right for one person to hold a spot for a ride for 10 others, not at all. But there are certainly grey areas where people can give others a little leeway.

 

[mirak]

Oh, I didn't call your kids line cutter, YOU are the line cutter. Wonderful example to set for your kids.

But I'm not the line cutter in your scenario - I waited in line. It's my kids who join me later that are "cutting" (only, as I've already explained, they really aren't for a character meet).

 

[MakiraMarlena]

This is a character meeting for kids.

It's not "for kids." Adults do it too. And it's not OK for parties with kids to cut in front of other parties just because they have kids. That said, is what this father did really necessary at rope drop? And is it so horrible? So his kids got a 10 minute jump on the people behind him. Why couldn't he just walk up with them? And why are the others so upset when they join him? It's different if it's being done for a lot of folks who are off doing other things like eating breakfast or getting on another ride.

And this happens all the time, not just at Fairytale Hall.

 

[SabbyR]

If it's so trivial, why not wait your turn? Why do you have to push forward in front of people instead of letting your line-cutting accomplice let people push past him until you have caught up to him? If 10 minutes is no big deal, why not wait for 10 minutes instead of shoving other children out of the way so you can go in front of them?

The kind of breathtaking hypocrisy you display is why going to WDW will always be a frustrating experience: jerks want to blame other people for pointing out that they are jerks.

I always wait my turn. In fact I give up my seat on the bus all the time too. Common Courtesy to me. But what I consider common courtesy and what others consider are two totally different things. Its disneys place to police these things and cast judgement, not mine. Is cutting in line in any form wrong yes. But IMO standing there and complaining and cutting down people loudly is just as wrong if not worse. IMO. Im not saying anyone on this post did it but I have seen it done. So are the line cutters jerks? Sometimes. IS the lady who complained about them loudly in front of me for the nest 30 minutes a jerk too? yes IMO

 

[smitch425]

As I previously wrote, we are brand newbies to WDW, but this conversation is somewhat disappointing. I thought the whole point of going to WDW was to experience the magic and be around a bunch of happy people, rather than by disgruntled complainers with whom we must deal in "regular" life. I understand the "what's the cutoff for a reasonable number of people joining the person waiting" point, but would posit that the cutoff is probably a nuclear family. In other words, I would happily hold a place for my husband and two children, or join my husband if he was waiting, but I would not dream of holding a place for my husband, our children, my brother and his children, and my sister-in-law with her children. Nor would I blink at anyone holding a place for their partner and children. I might sigh to myself if 10 people joined one in line, but it sure will not ruin my day. I hope those in the parks when we are there have the same idea - it only takes one easily bristled guest to make a whole room of people upset or uncomfortable. I, for one, do not plan on being that guest! You never know what someone else has going on and making a fuss about an extra five minutes in an hour long line seems really over-the-top...even in "regular" life.

Regarding the last sentence, why is my five minutes less important than the line holder's five minutes? That is what it really boils down to. Why should my family who is all present from the start have to wait an extra 5 minutes because people who couldn't wait to enter the line together are now in front of us? Now, will I say anything to them? No. I am not a confrontational person, and I don't get worked up about about things like that. I use these types of moments as teaching moments for my own children. I have witnessed multiple occasions where people HAVE said something, though, and I applaud them for having the confidence to do so. They just said what many others were thinking. Lol

 

[mirak]

But, where is the limit for you? Are you just willing to let people cut in front of you everywhere? Can people cut in front of you at Space Mountain? Haunted Mansion? A counter service line?

I already explained that there is a big difference between holding spots for a ride versus a character meet. It also depends upon the age of the kids. I don't expect little kids to have the patience to wait in long lines. Frankly, why would anyone want to wait in a line full of squirming fussy kids? The dad staking out a spot as a placeholder is doing his kids and everyone else a favor! Now in the rare case that Octomom's 8 (or more now?) kids show up as she nears the front of the line, that would be annoying, but come on now - that's not happening.

People are acting like this is no different than one teenager letting his 5 friends join him at the front of Space Mountain. That's not even close to the same situation.

 

[kittyab]

I would rather see one parent hold the spot so the other parent can take the child to the restroom then see a young child wet themselves. There is reasonable and there is unreasonable.

When in doubt ask the CM there if it is OK for Mom or Dad to hold the spot so the other can take the child to the restroom.

 

[Gracie09]

Regarding the last sentence, why is my five minutes less important than the line holder's five minutes? That is what it really boils down to. Why should my family who is all present from the start have to wait an extra 5 minutes because people who couldn't wait to enter the line together are now in front of us? Now, will I say anything to them? No. I am not a confrontational person, and I don't get worked up about about things like that. I use these types of moments as teaching moments for my own children. I have witnessed multiple occasions where people HAVE said something, though, and I applaud them for having the confidence to do so. They just said what many others were thinking. Lol

I agree. I guess I don't understand why my kindergartners know that cutting in line isn't right but adults don't grasp the same concept.

If you have a young child, go to the bathroom before you get in line. Its not a difficult concept. I also don't bring young children on lines that are hours long. That is just crazy and with a little planning can be avoided.

 

[Gracie09]

I already explained that there is a big difference between holding spots for a ride versus a character meet. It also depends upon the age of the kids. I don't expect little kids to have the patience to wait in long lines. Frankly, why would anyone want to wait in a line full of squirming fussy kids? The dad staking out a spot as a placeholder is doing his kids and everyone else a favor! Now in the rare case that Octomom's 8 (or more now?) kids show up as she nears the front of the line, that would be annoying, but come on now - that's not happening.

People are acting like this is no different than one teenager letting his 5 friends join him at the front of Space Mountain. That's not even close to the same situation.

I'm sorry but the bolded made me laugh. Its disney. The place is filled with squirming kids.

 

[smitch425]

I already explained that there is a big difference between holding spots for a ride versus a character meet. It also depends upon the age of the kids. I don't expect little kids to have the patience to wait in long lines. Frankly, why would anyone want to wait in a line full of squirming fussy kids? The dad staking out a spot as a placeholder is doing his kids and everyone else a favor! Now in the rare case that Octomom's 8 (or more now?) kids show up as she nears the front of the line, that would be annoying, but come on now - that's not happening.

People are acting like this is no different than one teenager letting his 5 friends join him at the front of Space Mountain. That's not even close to the same situation.

You're right. It isn't the same situation at all. Grown adults raising children should know better, and be more courteous to others, than a bunch of teenagers.

 

[Love Tink]

I agree. I guess I don't understand why my kindergartners know that cutting in line isn't right but adults don't grasp the same concept.

Kindergartners are also naturally compassionate. Some adults don't grasp that concept.