line cheaters at Princess Fairytale hall

[huhwhat]

who cares....it's not a BTG jumping its a father waiting for his family...

 

[Buddyex]

it might be frustrating for those behind the father in line, and if it was a ride they were waiting on it would be a different story, but at the end of the day in this scenario they were lining up for a meet and greet as 1 family group. So as long as the father wasn't holding up the rest of the line waiting on his family to arrive, I don't really think he has done anything wrong .

Again if it was a ride, they'd definitely be cutting the line.

 

[cymbaldiva]

Disagree - If the kiddos want to meet the Princesses, there's the line...

Not to mention, characters are only out for so long - adding folks to the line can make a difference for the people waiting in line behind the person who was holding a spot.

 

[Jennasis]

I thought CMs were telling guests at PFH now, particularly the Frozen meet, that parties all had to enter the line together and there would be no holding spots ?

 

[Crystal824]

This doesn't bother me as much as something that happened a few trips ago at DHS. It was during the old FP system. We were in line for RRC (after obtaining our TSMM FPs). Well, about 5-6 people come up the line to join one person in their party. They had also been getting FPs for TSMM but had sent one person to get in line for RRC. They weren't particularly shy about where they had been.

 

[BroganMc]

Just wanted to mention that I saw what I perceive to be line cheating at rope drop at the MK. The dad would follow the CM's rope to the princess hall and get in line. Then mom and little girls follow at a more leisurely pace, arrive at the line, and insist on joining dad way ahead in the line, pushing their way through everyone. What do you all think of this? Is it fair? A lot of other families all proceeded together, slowly and didn't get nearly as good a spot in the line.

Hang on, so at Rope Drop when there's a mass crazy maul to get to the front, the dad raced with the pack while his wife and daughters followed the pack and didn't get trampled. They all went to the same destination and joined each other to wait in the same line. Why is anyone bent out of shape about this?

There's no bathroom break, no running off to get breakfast or grab old paper FP's for other rides, or even going on other rides. The dad just walked faster than his family and the mom kept her girls from getting trampled.

See this is exactly why I despise RopeDropping. I've made the mistake of being at Magic Kingdom for an early morning tour before RopeDrop. I love being in the empty park early but once they opened the gates to the RopeDroppers all hell broke lose. I literally feared for my life as I dove for cover in the nearest shop. Those people are nuts and so darn pushy. No attraction is that important, even at Disney. What bugs me the most is how people easily cop attitudes abut their place in line.

Just chill out. The princesses are there all day long. I'm sure the dad, his kids and everyone else crazy enough to follow the CMs in got to see the characters well before lunch. Me? I'll stick to my late night hours and FP+ when people are more civilized. I prefer racing the clock to see what I can do before park closing to racing fellow guests to see who I can beat in a footrace.

 

[Gracie09]

who cares....it's not a BTG jumping its a father waiting for his family...

Then why can't he wait at the entrance. What if it was a family of six or ten? Extended cousins and grandparents. Where's the line when it's not ok.
We are the you use the bathroom before you get on line, get on line as a group and if you leave the line you start over or forfeit the ride (had to do that once with dd because she said she didn't have to go to the bathroom but ten minutes into waiting, she did. Left the line met up with our group after they road. She never did that again.)
I have been in lines where there are almost two line those actually waiting and those who are pushing through to get to their group. Dh has refused, politely, to yield way a few times and told the person their group can join them back here.

 

[mom2rtk]

Edit, really no different then someone putting out a blanket to hold spots at parades and such
Heck some people even pay to have others hold them spots. Might not be "fair" but everyone has the same option if they really wanted too.

I'm just curious whether you are a DL regular. I really have not seen anyone successfully hold a place with a blanket at WDW. It's hard enough to hold a spot you are actually standing in. But holding spots with blankets is out of control at DL. People actually put their blankets down hours before the parade or fireworks, then leave it unoccupied to come back to later.

 

[Goddesstree]

Since the purpose of the father going ahead of the family and getting into line without them was so they would be first/early in line, then I believe it is not OK. The whole purpose was to jockey a spot for a group by one person. That is not allowed at WDW, and the CMs tell you to enter as a group at the attraction entrance. Also, most of the queues at WDW are not easy to 'jump in to', mainly to prevent this above situation from happening. It's just rude to think you can push through a bunch of other people who waited together.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I don't think this is cutting, or at least it wouldn't bother me.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I'm just curious whether you are a DL regular. I really have not seen anyone successfully hold a place with a blanket at WDW. It's hard enough to hold a spot you are actually standing in. But holding spots with blankets is out of control at DL. People actually put their blankets down hours before the parade or fireworks, then leave it unoccupied to come back to later.

And it's there waiting for them? I can't see that happening at WDW especially MK.

 

[mom2rtk]

And it's there waiting for them? I can't see that happening at WDW especially MK.

It is! It's the strangest thing. I showed up on Main Street 90 minutes before the parade and there was almost nowhere to sit. Then I looked around and there were blankets, jackets and rugs laid out saving spots. And a bunch of them were totally unoccupied! I remember thinking at the time that would NEVER fly at WDW. It was pretty annoying though. I would not likely do that myself. Yet, I was hampered by the quantity of others who apparently had no issue with it.

It was so rampant, I started a thread about it on the DL board when I got back. The stories posted were amazing, right down to someone trying to save a spot with a soda bottle. LOL. Really.

 

[ArwenMarie]

It is! It's the strangest thing. I showed up on Main Street 90 minutes before the parade and there was almost nowhere to sit. Then I looked around and there were blankets, jackets and rugs laid out saving spots. And a bunch of them were totally unoccupied! I remember thinking at the time that would NEVER fly at WDW. It was pretty annoying though. I would not likely do that myself. Yet, I was hampered by the quantity of others who apparently had no issue with it.

It was so rampant, I started a thread about it on the DL board when I got back. The stories posted were amazing, right down to someone trying to save a spot with a soda bottle. LOL. Really.

Wow, that's fascinating. A blanket wouldn't last a minute on Main Street in WDW!

 

[mom2rtk]

Wow, that's fascinating. A blanket wouldn't last a minute on Main Street in WDW!

 

[Newsies]

Yes, it is cutting and I always call those people out and have had a few choice words.
The flash photography also kills me. It goes to show the stupidity of the human race. Learn to follow basic directions. My wife had this happen yesterday. I can't remember the attraction but the woman behind her took two pictures with flash. She turns around and asks not to use the flash nicely. Her husband then takes out his phone and turns on his flash. My wife comments to her friend they are sitting in front of a couple idiots nice and loud. About a minute later someone behind them says if you don't turn that phone off I'm gonna shove it up your rear end(he used the three letter word instead). He turned it off and people where laughing when he did.
I have noticed, many people don't like to be confronted, especially when they are doing something wrong. I find it hilarious when those people are called out. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I will. If no one tells them they are doing something wrong, they will never know. I look at it as my civic duty to call out stupid or ignorant people.

I might have said the same thing to a "flasher" when I was on PPF with my sister this summer... oops

 

[dmband]

I'm just curious whether you are a DL regular. I really have not seen anyone successfully hold a place with a blanket at WDW. It's hard enough to hold a spot you are actually standing in. But holding spots with blankets is out of control at DL. People actually put their blankets down hours before the parade or fireworks, then leave it unoccupied to come back to later.

Not really, we goto wdw more then dl but typically we go at peaaaaaak seasons so you see a lot more of the crazy stuff including people climbing trash cans and light poles to see parades/fireworks better and things like that.
The paying to hold spots was from dl though and I found out about it from people here.

 

[mirak]

Disagree - If the kiddos want to meet the Princesses, there's the line...

Not to mention, characters are only out for so long - adding folks to the line can make a difference for the people waiting in line behind the person who was holding a spot.

As others have mentioned, this isn't like a ride where each person "counts" towards capacity and slows things down. This is a character meeting for kids. The dad is just a placeholder for his family, and unless he's Mr. Duggar I really doubt he's slowing anything down. There's nothing wrong with it. I've done the same thing when lining up a half-hour early to see Santa - I'm not sitting on his lap, but it's better for my kids to have a little freedom to move around rather than be cooped up in line. Everybody who sees me standing in line by myself knows exactly what I'm doing - I see other solo adults doing the same thing - and I don't think I've ever gotten any dirty looks or opposition.

Now for rides it's a totally different story, but this isn't a ride. It's a character greeting for kids.

 

[minniemous]

Just to play devils advocate. I don't think the dad is meeting a princess, what difference would it make if he holds the place and lets the little girls take his spot?

Is it against Disney rules? Then, yes, this shouldn't be allowed.

Anyone know for sure?

I had the same initial reaction. We have one child and when all three of us are on line for a meet and greet it is only my daughter who is meeting and greeting we do not take separate pictures (if we are going to get in the picture, most of the time only my child). So if one of us was to get in line for the characters then it really makes no difference.

However I now see it the other way. First of all when I do go to the Princess meet and greets I have seen not only the kids take up time with the characters the parents often do as well but that is not really the issue. Imagine if this was an accepted practice. Then you could get on a line that looks as though you are 10th. if you are 10th in line and then along comes the families of the guests waiting and now you are around 46th in line.

Believe me if this was an accepted practice everyone would be doing it and not only would you be having to be constantly sidestepping to allow people through the tight line to let people join the party but you would also never really know where you stood in line.

When we went 4 years back with my then 2 year old I had to change a diaper and my husband got on the line of the pooh bear ride. I joined him and got some major grumbling. My reaction what a bunch of terrible people. Here I am with my daughter we are not going to take up another cart, she is not even two what is wrong with these people?? We never did it again LOL. Since then I do understand why because although being a family of three it would rarely result in extra wait time in most attractions many people have large families and this would get out of control.

Just because you or I or a very large number of people would only do it when it does not effect wait time that is not the case for all people and I can see how it would really upset people. Guests should not have to stop and analyze the particular situation. We should just all follow the same rules. People totally understand if a child needs to leave the line for a bathroom. But at least get on the line first. Do not join your already waiting husband or wife.

 

[IrishNYC]

As others have mentioned, this isn't like a ride where each person "counts" towards capacity and slows things down. This is a character meeting for kids. The dad is just a placeholder for his family, and unless he's Mr. Duggar I really doubt he's slowing anything down. There's nothing wrong with it. I've done the same thing when lining up a half-hour early to see Santa - I'm not sitting on his lap, but it's better for my kids to have a little freedom to move around rather than be cooped up in line. Everybody who sees me standing in line by myself knows exactly what I'm doing - I see other solo adults doing the same thing - and I don't think I've ever gotten any dirty looks or opposition.

Now for rides it's a totally different story, but this isn't a ride. It's a character greeting for kids.

So you don't think if you look at the line and see 10 kids waiting and think "Oh, that's not too bad, we'll get in line, too." then all of a sudden 3 or 4 adults ahead of you in line get up front and call their 2 or 3 kids to join them that it doesn't change how long you wait? You've just gone from thinking there are 10 kids ahead of you and your family to having 16-22 kids ahead of you, each of whom may want an individual picture, autograph, interaction, etc. with the character. No. Nope. No. If you try and get your kids in front of me and my family waiting in line, you're going to hear my mouth. Loudly. Line cutter. Plain and simple.

 

[Good Morning Dewdrop]

When Anna and Elsa were in Norway the CMs encouraged one person to wait and the others to go explore etc to keep the crowds down. In that situation it was expected that one person would hold a place in line (CMs did ask the people in line how many people were going to be with them). DH waited in that line while DD and I did a few things.

As they tell you at TSM - you need to have all of your toys together before entering the line. I agree completely. It is a real pain when people go around you once you're in a line. I don't say anything to people but I'm not happy about it when it happens.

I will openly confess we do have DH walk ahead of us for the Merida line at RD. She doesn't come out until 9:15 and it is easy to join her line - we do go directly there to join him in line but just try to stay out of the chaotic crowd that is heading in that direction. Ironically during our January trip DH headed right there - when we got there he was the only one in line!