Leave me alone!

[isyne4u]

Here is a CNN report from just 2 days ago regarding this issue.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/hotel.porn.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

okay thanks!!

tara

 

[ducklite]

Anne you have quite a record collection there.

In more ways than one! I've got over 1500 CD's, and I think 100 of them are in piles in my office for one reason or another...

Of course I'm currently fixated on a single CD--brand new by a favorite band--that will change later today when I'm hand delivered a brand spanking new CD by another favorite band. Too much good music, too little time!

Finished with the off topicness!

Anne

 

[maddhatir]

You know what they say about the "squeeky wheel"!

Actually what is going on is very scary!

I am a Howard Stern listener (dont want to start a stern fan or bashing thead here though, just need to make a comparrision ) and what was being done to him on regular radio was downright wrong- I know that some think he is a "pig", and that is fine, however, there are some people who like him and would like to tune in and hear the program- however, the government gets involved in our lives b/c of the "squeeky wheels" and BOOM- censorship! That is just the start of all of this.

So NOW! anyone who wants to listen, now does not have the freedom to do so freely, we have to pay for it. (I guess that would be the same with porn- there is always a price) I much prefer the "pay for" Howard!

I told my DH about how the government may now try and get involved in pay TV and pay radio. The reason I am aware of this is b/c Howard does a great job keeping his fans informed on the idiocy of this country that is not really reported much on the news. Therefore most unsuspecticing people dont have a clue that this could happen. Howard will name names, and give some interesting facts about the people who are tryng to take away some of the freedoms that we have. And like I said- I doubt highly you will hear these very interesting facts on your nightly news.

the moral of the story-- WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE well- for now anyway )- TURN OFF WHATEVER YOU DO NOT LIKE AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN KIDS-- ITS NOT MY JOB OR MY CONCERN.

 

[kimmikayb]

Egads, I best check into a hotel this weekend and get my fill of porn.

Why do people make things so difficult? Why do they get to tell me what I can or can't do? Parent your kids and they won't be clicking on porn. Next time will they try to take mini bars out of hotels? Afterall, a kid could accidentally drink a beer while clicking on porn?

 

[maddhatir]

Just do what many other palces are doing. Provide DVD players and let people bring and play whatever they want.Then nobody can be accused of distributing porn, especially to children not old enough to be legally watching it.

But why should anyone HAVE to do that? Leave well enough alone.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

Am I missing something? From what I read, the only thing this group is doing is trying to pursade the Justice Dept and the FBI to investigate to see if obscentity laws are being violated. Which btw I don't think the current administration is responsible for the existing state and federal obscentity laws. Although I could be wrong

The are also trying to pursade a business to change its operating policy, to meet its desires. The hotel has every right to make or not make that business decision.

Regardless of my position on legal adult entertainment, I don't see what the fuss is all about.

 

[maddhatir]

The are also trying to pursade a business to change its operating policy, to meet its desires. The hotel has every right to make or not make that business decision.

Regardless of my position on legal adult entertainment, I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Trying to pursade a business to change its operating policy--- WHY!? to meet THEIR desires?! That's insane- if they DO NOT watch the porn- it should not be of any concern to them about the porn policy! Stay out of it!

And I am sure the hotel would like to make their own decision, but will be somehow "strong-armed" into making the "correct " decision to make these people happy. And have no choice. They probably wont let up-- that is I am sure their M-O!

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

Trying to pursade a business to change its operating policy--- WHY!? to meet THEIR desires?! That's insane- if they DO NOT watch the porn- it should not be of any concern to them about the porn policy! Stay out of it!

And I am sure the hotel would like to make their own decision, but will be somehow "strong-armed" into making the "correct " decision to make these people happy. And have no choice. They probably wont let up-- that is I am sure their M-O!

Why does anyboby try to get anyone to change anything? Becuase its what they want. Omni changed their policy and if you looked deeper probably the person that made that decision feels the same way this group does. They were willing to allow their company to take the financial hit for that reason. That woman from Hilton, on the other hand, doesn't sound like there are any changes coming their way. So the system works, IMO.

Maybe I am naive. I don't assume they will win.

 

[disykat]

I don't get the fuss either. In fact, I agree that there ought to be laws that keep the kids from accessing porn with "the click of a button". Most hotels have systems in place to keep porn from being on the regular channels, but not all do. A system where you have to pay, put in a code, read through several screens before accessing etc. is perfectly adequate when a child is supervised (which I agree they should be).

However, I know from personal experience that some hotels have porn on regular channels. I got an eyeful once and I thank my lucky stars my kids weren't in the room. I turned on the tv and was turning the channels - travel channel, ABC, Nick, the most graphic porn I've ever seen (seriously, it was beyond my imagination - the other gal in the room and I were puzzled about where on earth they put that camera -yuck!), NBC, etc. It was right there in the line up - no blank screen making you go through extra steps to order.

We complained. This was at the nicest hotel I've ever stayed at. I agree that people have the right to order porn if they want to and that hotels have the right to make it accessible to them. However, I think there need to be at least a few safety measures in check so the regular tv viewers don't see it.

 

[schlepsnort]

I don't get it, why do we need laws to 'protect' kids from accessing porn if the parents were doing their jobs IN THE FIRST PLACE?
A) Why does the kid have the remote
B) Where is the parent while the kid is channel surfing?

Or wait, is it all those parents who leave their underage child unattended in the hotel room that are upset that the electronic babysitter might have porn on it?

Hmmm...and I think there is a law already in place, it's called the law of COMMON SENSE.

 

[oxfordcircus]

I don't get it, why do we need laws to 'protect' kids from accessing porn if the parents were doing their jobs IN THE FIRST PLACE?
A) Why does the kid have the remote
B) Where is the parent while the kid is channel surfing?

Or wait, is it all those parents who leave their underage child unattended in the hotel room that are upset that the electronic babysitter might have porn on it?

Hmmm...and I think there is a law already in place, it's called the law of COMMON SENSE.

Perhaps there's the simple solution. There can be porn-free rooms, just like non-smoking rooms. And the rest of us can watch all the porn we want (I know I can't get enough). Seems like this would please all concerned, except the teenaged boys left alone in the porn-free room all day.

 

[mtblujeans]

I just want to make sure I understand this thread: you all are upset because adult porn is being shown at hotels and someone wants to put a stop to it? This is a disgusting industry and minors are sometimes pulled into it and abused; some of the themes of the porn are rape and other demeaning actions on tape - but you want to defend your right to support such an industry?? Have I got that right?

 

[disykat]

I don't get it, why do we need laws to 'protect' kids from accessing porn if the parents were doing their jobs IN THE FIRST PLACE?
A) Why does the kid have the remote
B) Where is the parent while the kid is channel surfing?

Or wait, is it all those parents who leave their underage child unattended in the hotel room that are upset that the electronic babysitter might have porn on it?

Hmmm...and I think there is a law already in place, it's called the law of COMMON SENSE.

Umm - I take it you didn't read my post - the one right above yours? The parent could have the remote in their hand and be flipping between Nick and Disney. You shouldn't be able to flip through the channels and find porn without special access steps. Even a well supervised one year old can push the on button on a remote. Even one shocking instant was too much for me.

 

[WDWguru]

This is why I am LIBERTARIAN! You do what you want behind closed doors and I'll do what I want. If we aren't breaking the law and we aren't infringing on one another's rights, why should anyone care?

mtblujeans - The point is NOT the porn industry (which is a legal industry and HEAVILY regulated today) the point is this group is trying to nose into your hotel room and tell you what you can and can't do there. It's none of their business and as long as I'm not tying them up in front of my tv and taping their eyes open to watch along with me, they shouldn't care.

What if they decided tomorrow that WDW was an overstimulating environment and was forcing you to eat fattening foods and purchase items in shops by making you walk through as you exit rides? What if they went to the state of Florida and said this was all too much, that children were being exposed to too many marketing tie-ins and sugar and that the whole place should just be closed down?

It may be a leap, but it isn't much of one. They chose porn because it's an easy target. The person who pointed out mini bars may not be too far off. Then what's next?

 

[ducklite]

I just want to make sure I understand this thread: you all are upset because adult porn is being shown at hotels and someone wants to put a stop to it? This is a disgusting industry and minors are sometimes pulled into it and abused; some of the themes of the porn are rape and other demeaning actions on tape - but you want to defend your right to support such an industry?? Have I got that right?

Uh, I don't think a single person on this thread believes that child porn is acceptable. But as far as the rest of the industry, yes, I believe that they have the FIRST FREAKING AMENDMENT RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH! If the porn is being created by consenting adults, then they can depict whatever they want to. Doesn't mean you, I. or anyone else has to watch it.

And I will DEFEND THEIR RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH TO THE DEATH. Without it, we might as well go live in Iran or North Korea.

Anne

 

[JPN4265]

How did you vote in the last few elections? Perhaps you didn't read the fine print. We're supposed to be happy to have others "protect" us even if it means losing a few rights along the way. Get with the program people!

Don't just look at the last few elections. Look all the way back to the FDR years. The Federal Government ( out government) has been slowly changing the way we live for a very long time. We pay people not to work, they (they being the government) want to take over health care, they want to send our children to goverment run schools (ie public schools). It now takes two incomes just to live. One to pay the bills the other to pay the taxes. Do you really think this was an accident? This puts our children in someone else hands to raise and these people follow government guide lines. Again the goverment is involved. The list goes on and on. And what does it take to get us excited? No porno movies in the hotels. Until we stand up and take our country back from the people trying to take it away from us (yes democrat and republican) we deserve what we have. We have to wise up. Until we ALL start voting with our brains, and not just for the party line, we may loose this battle. Only the American people can stop this rollercoaster.

 

[maddhatir]

Uh, I don't think a single person on this thread believes that child porn is acceptable.

OK- Stop bringing the the words "child porn" to the thread- it is freaking me out- and NO ONE is talking about that.

 

[ducklite]

OK- Stop bringing the the words "child porn" to the thread- it is freaking me out- and NO ONE is talking about that.

I was responding to MtBlujeans who wrote:

This is a disgusting industry and minors are sometimes pulled into it and abused;

If that wasn't a reference to child porn, I don't know what is. So yes indeedy, "someone" brought that up, and I responded to correct her that none of us feel that child porn is OK.

Anne

 

[Beth76]

I just want to make sure I understand this thread: you all are upset because adult porn is being shown at hotels and someone wants to put a stop to it? This is a disgusting industry and minors are sometimes pulled into it and abused; some of the themes of the porn are rape and other demeaning actions on tape - but you want to defend your right to support such an industry?? Have I got that right?

Yep you have it right! I don't watch porn, I don't like it. But what these people are trying to do is much worse, IMO.

What if they decided tomorrow that WDW was an overstimulating environment and was forcing you to eat fattening foods and purchase items in shops by making you walk through as you exit rides? What if they went to the state of Florida and said this was all too much, that children were being exposed to too many marketing tie-ins and sugar and that the whole place should just be closed down?

Exactly. There are religious groups who are anti-disney. How would you like it if they tried to close down Disney? And don't tell me, it's a stretch because to these people, it's not. They think that Disney (and stufff like Harry Potter) is evil. Just as some people think porn is evil.

 

[Disney Doll]

I didn't read the whole thing...I stopped at Attorney General John Aschcroft...um the date on the article is 2002. So maybe that one died right where it was. Is there any updated information on that to show that they were successful in their bid to rid the hotels of porn?

Well, let's get all indignant and blame the current administration for a 4 year old "issue" that obviously didn't "go" anywhere because I just stayed at the Marriott Copley in Boston 2 weeks ago and the "adult" channel (as they call it) was functioning.