June 2022 Direct sales

[scoobdoo]

Interesting that Disney is decreasing incentives at the same time that direct sales are softening. They must be really confident in their product heading into a recession.

DVD is going big and bold and showing real belief in the quality of their product –– I love it!

 

[pianomanzano]

DVD is going big and bold and showing real belief in the quality of their product –– I love it!

To me, a real belief in the quality of their product would mean not having resale restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

To me, a real belief in the quality of their product would mean not having resale restrictions.

But see, they are making their product different and for many, a better product.

Buying direct gets you more than resale does now. There are reasons to become a DVD client vs. 10 years ago, when you didnt need to buy from them.

I know not everyone agrees, and the benefits may not warrant a direct buy, but it does definitely sway people.

Look at the whole notion of taking TOTWL and making it an exclusive lounge for DVC owners who are part of the membership extras program.

Of course..before anyone says it,..it’s not worth thousands of dollars, and it’s not guarantee….but it still does give you something that resale can’t.

I think this may also mean is that what we perceive as the goals of DVD, aren’t necessarily what they want.

Thats why I am convinced that restrictions won’t be abandoned, and that they are willing to go up and down with the incentives.

 

[BeachClub2014]

But see, they are making their product different and for many, a better product.

Buying direct gets you more than resale does now. There are reasons to become a DVD client vs. 10 years ago, when you didnt need to buy from them.

I know not everyone agrees, and the benefits may not warrant a direct buy, but it does definitely sway people.

Look at the whole notion of taking TOTWL and making it an exclusive lounge for DVC owners who are part of the membership extras program.

Of course..before anyone says it,..it’s not worth thousands of dollars, and it’s not guarantee….but it still does give you something that resale can’t.

I think this may also mean is that what we perceive as the goals of DVD, aren’t necessarily what they want.

Thats why I am convinced that restrictions won’t be abandoned, and that they are willing to go up and down with the incentives.

What also seemingly tends to get lost in the discussion is that aside from the membership extras program, buying directly from DVC gives you unrestricted points. That is a big deal for many people, especially if they hold true to future resorts having the same resale restrictions as Riviera.

 

[scoobdoo]

What also seemingly tends to get lost in the discussion is that aside from the membership extras program, buying directly from DVC gives you unrestricted points. That is a big deal for many people, especially if they hold true to future resorts having the same resale restrictions as Riviera.

exactly why I only buy direct and I love buying direct

 

[RamblinWreck]

exactly why I only buy direct and I love buying direct

I do think that for those who own resorts that don't expire until 2057 and beyond, they may someday regret not having bought direct. This of course assumes that they hold the points long enough for it to matter.

The flexibility and different booking options are one of the great things about DVC. As more resorts drop out of the ecosystem, the less flexible things will become over time. And in your smaller pool of resorts you have access to, you'll be competing at the 7 month window with a growing number of direct owners at other resorts.

Of course I just bought a bunch of resale VGF points myself for the steep discount, so I'm obviously not that worried about it. But I do think strictly resale owners may have some moments of second guessing their decision years down the line.

 

[Sandisw]

What also seemingly tends to get lost in the discussion is that aside from the membership extras program, buying directly from DVC gives you unrestricted points. That is a big deal for many people, especially if they hold true to future resorts having the same resale restrictions as Riviera.

Exactly! And that where one can use points within DVC resorts isn’t tied in any way to the membership extras program.

DVD gets to actually control where points get to be used by making it part of the DVC Resort Agreement which is part of the POS.

Membership extras are part of an incidental benefits program which are not part of the POS and require them to make deals with other Disney divisions or third parties. It’s why they can’t guarantee them!

Right now, it’s only RIV so some will say I’ll rent my points and stay cash or rent from someone else. Or, I’ll just buy a resale contract to use there. And that will definitely work now with it only being RIV.

But, in 2 years? If VDH and Poly tower are added to the list, then it’s not as simple anymore.

Again direct isn’t for everyone but depending on incentives, you are not paying that much more.

I paid $179/point for VGF for my 300 points. That probably equates to an extra $5K over resale. Won’t take long to eat into the difference with the APs we can get..3 of us have them so we save via renewals. Add in the discounts and perks, and it makes that extra worth it for us.

 

[KalamityJane]

What’s the point of buying direct at DLR though? It’s not like there are any huge benefits to buying direct there. You get a measly 10-20 bucks off an AP iirc, and there’s no special lounge or events that I’m aware of. I think Disney is going to have to start coughing up more benefits to sell direct points at VDH given there’s not really many Membership Extras there. Plus, VDH is further than VGC which makes resale VGC look a bit more enticing.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

The decision is almost certainly made whether it will be 1 or 2 associations. My guess is it will be 1 and personally I think that's better all around except for those who want to buy and get a 50 year contract.

The number of such buyers--those who would be swayed by the presence of a bungalow but not by a grand villa--is marginal. At best.

In exchange for attracting that set of buyers, DVD would be further deferring the time at which they no longer have to sell unrestricted WDW contracts.

I don't see it. It's not impossible but it sure seems unlikely.

The Bungalows make for a very pretty marketing picture.

 

[TinkB278]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547604604845576198

These aren’t really “new” incentives though are they? They just had the additional bonus savings expire.

 

[hglenn]

These aren’t really “new” incentives though are they? They just had the additional bonus savings expire.

They are new. Those additional bonus savings expired in June, I think? This is a new scale.

 

[TinkB278]

They are new. Those additional bonus savings expired in June, I think? This is a new scale.

I’m pretty sure I just checked yesterday and the bonuses expired yesterday and the base incentives expire 8/24.

 

[TinkB278]

They are new. Those additional bonus savings expired in June, I think? This is a new scale.

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/fin...ing-improves-via-early-summer-2022-incentives

 

[npatellye]

Again direct isn’t for everyone but depending on incentives, you are not paying that much more.

I paid $179/point for VGF for my 300 points. That probably equates to an extra $5K over resale. Won’t take long to eat into the difference with the APs we can get..3 of us have them so we save via renewals. Add in the discounts and perks, and it makes that extra worth it for us.

This. I paid less than $4k in difference between OKW 2042 resale and OKW-E direct last summer. With a family of 4, that’s a no brainer with APs for all 4 of us.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

With the new poly2 will there be a new pool? I don't see how the poly1 pool accommodates the guests from poly 2

 

[wnielsen1]

With the new poly2 will there be a new pool? I don't see how the poly1 pool accommodates the guests from poly 2

Yes, the concept artwork shows a new pool.

 

[RamblinWreck]

With the new poly2 will there be a new pool? I don't see how the poly1 pool accommodates the guests from poly 2

Without question, there will be a new pool.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

Next question....even with a new pool the volcano pool is still popular...not sure how much pool traffic will go to the new pool vs. Poly 1 pool unless they are comparable

 

[Sandisw]

Next question....even with a new pool the volcano pool is still popular...not sure how much pool traffic will go to the new pool vs. Poly 1 pool unless they are comparable

It will definitely increase the pool use, but since the Volcano Pool is the hotel pool, not much can be done, other than make the new pool attractive enough!

 

[Nursemanit]

Considering the location right next to the Hotel longhouses, the new pool would probably be a hotel resource shared by the tower - not a Bay lake / RR situation. That would make it open to Poly 1 if there are going to be 2 associations. It seems like this will be a reverse Wilderness Lodge with 2 separate associations sharing hotel resources. The PR release stating it was an expansion of the Poly ( not the poly villas and bungalows) supports this.