June 2022 Direct sales

[Sandisw]

Considering the location right next to the Hotel longhouses, the new pool would probably be a hotel resource shared by the tower - not a Bay lake / RR situation. That would make it open to Poly 1 if there are going to be 2 associations. It seems like this will be a reverse Wilderness Lodge with 2 separate associations sharing hotel resources. The PR release stating it was an expansion of the Poly ( not the poly villas and bungalows) supports this.

The current pools at Poly are hotel pools and DVC owners have right to use. It’s like that at VGF as well. No declared pools to DVC.

So, they could make it exclusive to tower guests, if it was to be declared as a common element, but like you, I don’t see that because of its location so close to the hotel side of Poly.

 

[havoc315]

The current pools at Poly are hotel pools and DVC owners have right to use. It’s like that at VGF as well. No declared pools to DVC.

So, they could make it exclusive to tower guests, if it was to be declared as a common element, but like you, I don’t see that because of its location so close to the hotel side of Poly.

I also doubt they would make the pool "exclusive" where there is no barrier separating it from the rest of the resort. But the geography of the resort may keep it primarily in the use of the tower guests. If you're coming from the other side of the resort, is it worth skipping over the closer pools? Worth walking past the volcano pool to get to the tower pool? Guess it depends on just how nice the pool is. But if it's just a medium sized infinity pool, without any other "feature" items, I don't think it will draw many guests away from using their nearest pool. (so it would primarily be used by the Tower guests and the bordering 3 longhouses)

 

[Nursemanit]

The current pools at Poly are hotel pools and DVC owners have right to use. It’s like that at VGF as well. No declared pools to DVC.

So, they could make it exclusive to tower guests, if it was to be declared as a common element, but like you, I don’t see that because of its location so close to the hotel side of Poly.

Looking at the landscape - they could have put a pool on the other side of the tower slightly behind it - If it was on the other side, I would think it would be exclusive to the tower. Where they show it , will really disrupt the view from Aotearoa with the required fencing and I am sure pool bar/utility sheds. So they must of had to really negotiate hard with the hotel.

 

[Nursemanit]

Looking at the landscape - they could have put a pool on the other side of the tower slightly behind it - If it was on the other side, I would think it would be exclusive to the tower. Where they show it , will really disrupt the view from Aotearoa with the required fencing and I am sure pool bar/utility sheds. So they must of had to really negotiate hard with the hotel.

Looking closer - there are dotted lines for the fence and entry gates to the pool from Fiji and Aotearoa and the tower so that also supports a shared resource.

 

[Sandisw]

Looking at the landscape - they could have put a pool on the other side of the tower slightly behind it - If it was on the other side, I would think it would be exclusive to the tower. Where they show it , will really disrupt the view from Aotearoa with the required fencing and I am sure pool bar/utility sheds. So they must of had to really negotiate hard with the hotel.

Yeah, there had to definitely be some negotiation with DVD and the hotels division on what and how this plays out.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

What’s the point of buying direct at DLR though? It’s not like there are any huge benefits to buying direct there. You get a measly 10-20 bucks off an AP iirc, and there’s no special lounge or events that I’m aware of. I think Disney is going to have to start coughing up more benefits to sell direct points at VDH given there’s not really many Membership Extras there. Plus, VDH is further than VGC which makes resale VGC look a bit more enticing.

I agree. Those who buy VDH direct at a premium will self impose restrictions by using the points exclusively at VDH. The same way I never use my VGC points anywhere else. I do believe that member perks will expand once more west coasters jump on the DVC band wagon. Right now, there are none.

WRT all this speculation that resale points will become obsolete, I think it’s a bit over blown, especially when 2042 is still 20 years away. Even then, there will still be 9 more resorts you can book with resale points until at least 2057. Sure they’ll be more new properties that will come on line to replace BWV and BCV. But by then, those new properties that replace the Epcot resorts will be so expensive that people who buy there will also probably self-impose restrictions. The whole direct marketing of being able to use your points anywhere at 7 months will be a semi-illusion, as 7 month availability will become more difficult. I’m not against direct or resale. I have both and love them both.

 

[Royal Consort]

The whole direct marketing of being able to use your points anywhere at 7 months will be a semi-illusion, as 7 month availability will become more difficult. I’m not against direct or resale. I have both and love them both.

Spot on. We can see the shift happening already in real time. This is the future of DVC and the reason I think restricted resale points will do okay in the long term. We are in the transition period.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Spot on. We can see the shift happening already in real time. This is the future of DVC and the reason I think restricted resale points will do okay in the long term. We are in the transition period.

Buy where you want to stay! And I'm totally waiting for that Yacht Club DVC conversion that expires in 2078. If that ever happens, my DVC aspirations will be complete!

 

[Sandisw]

Spot on. We can see the shift happening already in real time. This is the future of DVC and the reason I think restricted resale points will do okay in the long term. We are in the transition period.

I also think those 2042 resorts will be difficult to get 8n to during the last 5 years as owners take advantage of stays before the contracts expire.

 

[Royal Consort]

Buy where you want to stay! And I'm totally waiting for that Yacht Club DVC conversion that expires in 2078. If that ever happens, my DVC aspirations will be complete!

Then I can giggle when those who criticised Riviera for being a (restricted) big gray building buy a smaller (restricted) gray building.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Big gray buildings are fine by me if they’re walking distance to two parks!

 

[DVCsloth]

I really like the Riviera, but the Skyliner is what got me hooked. Just wondering, how long does it take for the typical walk to HS from BW or BC?
One thing that is nice with VGF or Riviera is even during the rain you can get back to the Villas under a covered walkway either bus or Monorail/Skyliner
Pretty sure the Riviera bus stop has a covered walkway if I remember correctly. I know BPK is not covered though.

 

[hglenn]

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/fin...ing-improves-via-early-summer-2022-incentives

Ah, thank you! I had July 13 on my mind and thought that's when the entire thing expired!

 

[Nabas]

I tend to think that decision has already been made (new association) but they are buying time to make the announcement in case they change course.

I also think Poly Tower will be in a different association.

VGF2 was a quick refurb of an existing building and seemed rushed. It’s as if Disney took the path of least resistance to get VGF2 done as fast as possible.

Poly Tower is not like that. Disney has the time to go through the paperwork to make this its own association.

 

[Sandisw]

I really like the Riviera, but the Skyliner is what got me hooked. Just wondering, how long does it take for the typical walk to HS from BW or BC?
One thing that is nice with VGF or Riviera is even during the rain you can get back to the Villas under a covered walkway either bus or Monorail/Skyliner
Pretty sure the Riviera bus stop has a covered walkway if I remember correctly. I know BPK is not covered though.

Yes, all covered walkways for RIV. I did love the ability to walk to/from Epcot but once I stayed at RIV, the resort itself blew me away enough that walking to those became secondary. The Skyliner is great and the ease to HS has made it more likely for me to go when I am on a solo trip.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I really like the Riviera, but the Skyliner is what got me hooked. Just wondering, how long does it take for the typical walk to HS from BW or BC?
One thing that is nice with VGF or Riviera is even during the rain you can get back to the Villas under a covered walkway either bus or Monorail/Skyliner
Pretty sure the Riviera bus stop has a covered walkway if I remember correctly. I know BPK is not covered though.

The walk to HS from BWV can depend on what part of the resort you’re at since it’s so big. Anywhere from 10-15 min. The walk to and from BCV can take 20 min which I don’t recommend, especially in the hot sun. But during park closing when the skyliner, bus, and boat lines are backed up, the option to walk is nice.

 

[CarolMN]

One thing that is nice with VGF or Riviera is even during the rain you can get back to the Villas under a covered walkway either bus or Monorail/Skyliner

Unless you visit in the off-season for rain/storms/hurricanes, you can't really count on the skyliner being up and running. It's shut down if there is lightening in the area. I'd rather have the option to walk, even if I get wet, LOL.

But I do like the skyliner - we often take it over to DHS if we are not in a hurry, and the Riviera Resort is truly lovely. Just not a fan of not knowing whether I have t take a bus. No covered walkway from the parks to the bus locations, so you get wet anyway.

 

[TinkB278]

I’m kind of surprised they actually let the bonus incentives expire given the slow sales in June…

 

[UA DVC Member]

I’m not sure how this shows that Riviera can retain resell value. People that have bought Riviera aren’t really selling right now. The buyers of Riviera resale are most likely owners with points elsewhere, which aren’t affected by the resale restrictions (as they can book elsewhere with their other points). As that demand dwindles, and supply increases, it will be interesting to see how many buyers there will be.

Eg, if you’re a first time owner, would you buy Riviera resale? Doubtful.

I agree. I think the restrictions on resale haven't been felt too much because there hasn't been a lot of RIV resale activity yet (on a relative basis). One of the great selling points for DVC is the robust resale market. As more resorts come online with restrictions, the value of the product will decline and it will start to look like other timeshare products that become worthless as soon as you buy it. Not saying DVC will decline as much as others, but disney crushing the resale market is short sighted and may blow up in their face. I, for one, would never buy simmering that had restrictions.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Way back in 2016 Tikiman posted "but they do plan to add more starting in the next few years" regarding PVB. But that it would fall behind WL, River Country and CBR DVC plans. (Copper Creek, Reflections (which was moving forward until the pandemic) and Riviera. Once Reflections was cancelled then the very obviously quick conversion at GF was thrown in. For Poly the planned all along to expand leans more towards in the same association IMO and the tower is obviously something that's been in the planning stage for awhile. I still seriously doubt they want to have 2 separate associations at one location that are within 10 years of each other in expiration. Copper Creek vs VWL made sense - a big spread in years. VGF and PVB not so much and we've seen that they felt that way about VGF.