Jon & Kate Confusion

[Orange County Girl]

Those children will grow up and do 1 of 2 things:

Hate her, or be just like her.

 

[barkley]

Barkley--I know in my house growing up, if one of us had gone off like Maddie did the other night, we would've gotten a whoopin! Or worse, we would've been told to get out in the yard and fetch a 'switch' so my mom could tan our hide with it.

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same here in fact, when i watch some of the episodes and maddie goes off while they are on trips or outings i think about my childhood and i would have been 'out of there' so fast (same thing with my kids). i know it has to be harder with 2 people 'kid wrangling' that many kids, but i have to wonder if that's precisely why it seems to happen with some much frequency-miss maddie has it figured out that there's no threat of removing her from a situation that will be carried through on (and i hope she does'nt end up like a few vindictive kids i've known who figure out how to manipulate that reasoning into ruining trips/outings they are'nt particularly interested in for everyone else my kids had a classmate who definatly did this to ruin stuff for his younger siblings ).

 

[disykat]

I didn't see Mady's tantrum, but have to comment based on what people are saying here. One of my sons threw tantrums. Not manipulative "I want my way" tantrums, but outright "I can't control my life and it's freaking me out" tempermental tantrums.

They happened about once a month or so and we treated them VERY differently from misbehavior. Instead, we concentrated on de -escalating the behavior and then later debriefing and teaching coping skills. Not all tantrums are motivated by naughtiness.

 

[Dixie Luvr 98]

The one question that has always nagged at me is Kate's comment that the grandparents of their children "aren't involved in our daily lives"..

It's hard for me to imagine that the grandparents (although I am aware that Jon's father is deceased) could be such horrible people that they are not allowed to interact with their 8 grandchildren..

This is a total guess, but maybe they don't want to be on television. I could certainly understand if they didn't want their interactions with their grandchildren to be taped, televised, and scrutinized by the masses.

I know I would feel very strange going to a relative's home that was basically a television set. Intimate moments with the grandchildren with a television crew hanging over you?
I do hope they play some role in the children's lives.

 

[barkley]

I didn't see Mady's tantrum, but have to comment based on what people are saying here. One of my sons threw tantrums. Not manipulative "I want my way" tantrums, but outright "I can't control my life and it's freaking me out" tempermental tantrums.

They happened about once a month or so and we treated them VERY differently from misbehavior. Instead, we concentrated on de -escalating the behavior and then later debriefing and teaching coping skills. Not all tantrums are motivated by naughtiness.

i think the behaviours the show chooses to air so we see them are not the type your son has (and not always full blown tantrums-mostly just what i perceive as inappropriate and unchecked behaviour). the girl has thrown hissy fits because she was mad her twin did better initialy on a sport than she did, because her twin got to do her 'day out with mom and dad' (even though hers was specifically planned to be first to stave off upset ), because a sitter made her apologize to a sibling she made a nasty hateful remark to-the parents aknowledge that it's not uncommon for her to come in daily after school stomping, kicking things and slamming doors. granted it would be difficult to be an older sib in that household, but it's pathetic and scary when parents have to make it a plan to tell a child, everytime they won't be with them that 'it's not an accident when you kick your younger sib, it's not an accident when you push/hit your younger sib....' and then have the child turn around and ask if it would'nt be an accident if someone was around you and you just happened to put your feet out in front of them and they tripped or you held out a pencil and poked them

 

[DMRick]

I would be very sad if I didn't see my grandkids. That said, there are many many people who do not have any interaction with their children, and hence their grandchildren. There have been people in the past on this board who have commented about not seeing their own children for many different reasons. There have also been people on this board who can't stand their in-laws/parents, and have commented that they never see them, and they don't see their kids. I always figure something very hurtful must have caused that separation, and it always makes me happy that I am close to my grands.
I haven't watched Jon and Kate lately, because I have been away, but I really don't miss it. There is too much noise and crying on the show for it to be enjoyable to me. If I never saw it again, I don't think I would miss it.

 

[EverythingDisney]

I don't believe the way the show is edited changes Kate's true personality- I believe- what you see if what you get !!

I live in the general area Kate & John lived in and where John is from.
Kate worked at The Reading Hospital and Medical Center as a nurse.
She was not well-liked. When she got pregnant she constantly felt
"ENTITLED" by everyone to do/give stuff to her. Nobody was even really interested in giving her a baby shower.

IMHO, she feels too "ENTITLED" !!!
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme I deserved it !!

 

[pamouselover]

Ok, I love the show. I don’t know why. I keep telling myself that it because Kate is more of a BEEP then me to her husband. I am a clean freak too. But come on Kate play with your kids.I can not belive the one episode. It was 6:15 and bedtime. Jon seems like such a great Dad.
I like the kids BUT maddie, that child needs serious help and meds.She only is going to get worse, when Jon and Kate walk around her not having issues. Kate seems like a control freak and a person who thinks she is above everyone else. I am sure her neighbors are written books. .
I don’t think they appreciate what they have. I live in a small ranch house with one bathroom and a small apt size kitchen. We have lived here for ten years. I only dream of a kitchen like Kate’s .So every time Kate complains I could slap her. I am sure she wants huge house like her friend and then she will spend even more time NOT with her children and cleaning. Kat has issues, but for some odd reason I like her. Maybe I like her out of pity, or because they live in Pa.

 

[barkley]

I would be very sad if I didn't see my grandkids. That said, there are many many people who do not have any interaction with their children, and hence their grandchildren. There have been people in the past on this board who have commented about not seeing their own children for many different reasons. There have also been people on this board who can't stand their in-laws/parents, and have commented that they never see them, and they don't see their kids. I always figure something very hurtful must have caused that separation, and it always makes me happy that I am close to my grands.
I haven't watched Jon and Kate lately, because I have been away, but I really don't miss it. There is too much noise and crying on the show for it to be enjoyable to me. If I never saw it again, I don't think I would miss it.

i am sad for these situations too. i also think it would be hurtful to be a loving grandparent and have your child/dil say repeatedly on telelvision that YOU'VE chosen to not to be in that child's day to day life. right or wrong, given that these kids watch the show over and over (according to jon and kate), having to hear that has to stir up emotions (esp. if your cousins do have a relationship with the grandparents ).

i dunno, i look at situations where there are family dynamics such that relationships are totaly severed (and made repetative public knowledge to the kids) or disrespectul (negative comments about grandparents face to face or absent of in front of the kids) and i wonder how these kids will incorporate these attitudes into their own future relationships with their own children and who will become their children's grandparents.

i have an in-law who was incredibly disrespectful to his father when he was alive. his kids witnessed just totaly inappropriate comments and attitudes that it became such i told dh i was'nt comfortable attending family functions. this same person was quick to sever contact for months on end when he felt that what he was entitled to was'nt forthcoming and did'nt realy demonstrate to his kids (boys) that any type of respect or sense of family was expected outside of their nuclear (he/his wife/the boys).

now we're almost 20 years down the line and both these boys are adults with wives of their own. their dad can't for the life of him figure out why these kids are'nt spending every holiday at his/wife's house. he can't figure out why they don't seem to afford him the role of respected elder on whom they would automaticaly confer with about their adult decisions and automaticaly involve in their celebrations and vacation plans. he's also made comments that he can't understand why they seem to 'expect' him to provide financialy for some of their high dollar luxuries. dh and i just sit back silent and think 'you reap what you sow'. both boys have their basis for an adult father son relationship based on what they saw growing up. both saw their dad view his dad as only a cash machine-and when it was'nt forthcoming that communication was severed. both were taught that holidays and celbrations were only spent with your nuclear family and that those people should be where your affections and affiliations were placed. it's a very telling situation that i suspect the wife understands (she still has very close relationships with both boys and their wives) but he never will.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Maddie is a nightmare! I can't imagine her once PMS kicks in! Take Cover!!!!

 

[preesi]

according to the official family website in the f/a/q's-no scholarships have been gifted to the children nor are there any funds in any accounts set up for the purposes of their education. they say they are trusting that the lord will provide when the time comes.

They DO have a TAP fund in their name set up in the office of the Pennsylvania Treasury. Call the number below and tell them you want to donate anonymously to the GOSSELINS TAP FUND... I called it!
The woman on the phone confirmed that the Gosselins DO have a FUND, but I had to get the account number from them in order to donate to it:
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From a news article:
If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.
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The Gosselins have pretty much stopped working and now the kids are their source of income. So they pimp the kids out for THEIR profit...
EXPOITATION OF KIDS IS DISGUSTING!!

So youd think that by them not working that theyd be home taking care of those kids...
NOT!
1 to 2 times a week they go on their PAID speaking tours, mostly in churches or womens groups.
In these "Speeches" they tell everyone that the Gosselins EXPECT "LOVE OFFERINGS" ...Meaning CASH...
They also sell autographed pics and postcards for $20.00 each...
CASH!

No WONDER Kates always EXHAUSTED!

But shes NOT exhausted from taking care of her own kids...
Shes exhauted from being SUPERSTAR KATE on stage giving speeches...
After all it is alllll about Kate!

See, what the show wont tell you, is that Jon and Kate get EVERYTHING FREE.
Free House
Free Clothing (Gap and Gymboree)
Free Trips
Free IKEA Furniture
Free Food
Free Nannies (5 in all)
Free House Cleaning
Free Laundry Services (3 people do ALLL their laundry, fold it and put it away)
Free Recreation
Free Piano
and
Free Hair Transplants, Teeth Whitening, and Tummy Tuck.

Kate wanted allll those kids. Her mother says she always wanted multiples!
So now she has em and all she has to do is cook them free organic food and play with them, everything else is all done for her. So tell me why she should be sooo exhausted, *****y and beating up her hubby and abusing her kids?
Kate is a narcissist.
She is a narcissist who cares very little about her children. The ONLY thing Kate cares about is FAME and MONEY and not having to actually DO anything but rake in the adoration of her public who has been duped to believe that she is an overworked caring mother who needs handouts to get by...

To show you how LITTLE she cares about her kids...
They frequently show the kids naked in the tub or getting dressed or on the potty. Pedophiles put clips on YouTube and little Hannahs naked bath Video
was viewed over 12,000 times before concerned fans convinced YouTube to remove it. MONTHS AND MONTHS ago fans emailed Kate and told her to stop showing the kids naked..
Last nights NEW episode STILL had naked bath footage...

Wake up to the lie!

Kate wanted the Fame, the kids dont deserve the exploitation.

 

[mickeyboat]

I like the show. I think the kids are adorable. I won't judge Kate because -

1. I only have two kids; and 2. I don't really care how anyone else raises their kids.

I am not sure why people get themselves all worked up about it!

Denae

 

[preesi]

Mickey?
Its sad that you cannot SEE that kids are being exploited and abused.

 

[mickeyboat]

I don't see it as exploitation or abuse. Parents can parent however they want to as long as the children are not being hurt. I don't have to agree with it - I don't agree with the way lots of parents raise their kids, but that doesn't bring it to the level of abuse. This is a very unique situation, and I would have absolutely no idea how I would handle it.

I am more concerned about what happens behind closed doors to many more children in this world.

As controlling as Kate is, I can't see her doing anything that would bring harm to her kids.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

They DO have a TAP fund in their name set up in the office of the Pennsylvania Treasury. Call the number below and tell them you want to donate anonymously to the GOSSELINS TAP FUND... I called it!
The woman on the phone confirmed that the Gosselins DO have a FUND, but I had to get the account number from them in order to donate to it:
------------------
From a news article:
If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.
------------------
The Gosselins have pretty much stopped working and now the kids are their source of income. So they pimp the kids out for THEIR profit...
EXPOITATION OF KIDS IS DISGUSTING!!

So youd think that by them not working that theyd be home taking care of those kids...
NOT!
1 to 2 times a week they go on their PAID speaking tours, mostly in churches or womens groups.
In these "Speeches" they tell everyone that the Gosselins EXPECT "LOVE OFFERINGS" ...Meaning CASH...
They also sell autographed pics and postcards for $20.00 each...
CASH!

No WONDER Kates always EXHAUSTED!

But shes NOT exhausted from taking care of her own kids...
Shes exhauted from being SUPERSTAR KATE on stage giving speeches...
After all it is alllll about Kate!

See, what the show wont tell you, is that Jon and Kate get EVERYTHING FREE.
Free House
Free Clothing (Gap and Gymboree)
Free Trips
Free IKEA Furniture
Free Food
Free Nannies (5 in all)
Free House Cleaning
Free Laundry Services (3 people do ALLL their laundry, fold it and put it away)
Free Recreation
Free Piano
and
Free Hair Transplants, Teeth Whitening, and Tummy Tuck.

Kate wanted allll those kids. Her mother says she always wanted multiples!
So now she has em and all she has to do is cook them free organic food and play with them, everything else is all done for her. So tell me why she should be sooo exhausted, *****y and beating up her hubby and abusing her kids?
Kate is a narcissist.
She is a narcissist who cares very little about her children. The ONLY thing Kate cares about is FAME and MONEY and not having to actually DO anything but rake in the adoration of her public who has been duped to believe that she is an overworked caring mother who needs handouts to get by...

To show you how LITTLE she cares about her kids...
They frequently show the kids naked in the tub or getting dressed or on the potty. Pedophiles put clips on YouTube and little Hannahs naked bath Video
was viewed over 12,000 times before concerned fans convinced YouTube to remove it. MONTHS AND MONTHS ago fans emailed Kate and told her to stop showing the kids naked..
Last nights NEW episode STILL had naked bath footage...

Wake up to the lie!

Kate wanted the Fame, the kids dont deserve the exploitation.

WOW! That Kate is a piece of work!

 

[MrsPete]

Then during the commercial they show a teaser from an upcoming show, Jon & Kate went to get their teeth whitened. Well ok but if you are concerned about Christmas gifts how are you spending the cash for whitening your teeth? I have gone to have it done & it was almost $500~

Maybe it's donated . . . or maybe they're the type of people who don't really stop to think that spending $500 on cosmetic dentistry today means that Christmas might be difficult months from now?

I wonder if sometimes people think she is snotty, when really she is just stressed and focused on her job as a mother of 8.

I don't think she's focused on the right things. I was watching the show yesterday, and one thing jumped out at me loud and clear: She never gives the children instructions. Instead, once they do the wrong thing -- which all children that age will, if they aren't told what to do -- then she yells at them. I saw the episode in which she took them ALL to the furniture store to pick out beds. Obviously having eight is different from having two, but when my kids were that age, I would've explained to them, "We are going into the store. These are the rules _____". They wouldn't have been perfect, but they also would've had some clue what was expected.

 

[Kim&Chris]

I watched a few episodes yesterday. Not really a fan of the show because I think she talks to Jon like he is one of the kids. The kids are adorable, though

 

[Mary2e]

From a news article:
If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account,

Can you provide a link to this article?

 

[pigletgirl]

I don't know about them. Its probably not doing any of their kids good, by doing all of this stuff. Its like they are focusing on, what they are (as a unit) vs, who they are as people.

 

[mickeyboat]

I don't know about them. Its probably not doing any of their kids good, by doing all of this stuff. Its like they are focusing on, what they are (as a unit) vs, who they are as people.

I think it would be really hard not to do this - they will always identify themselves as a member of that family. I think Jon and Kate (Kate expecially)seem to make an effort to point out the individual personalities of each child.

Don't forget we are only seeing a snapshot of their daily lives.