Jon & Kate Confusion

[disney junky]

It's hard for me to imagine that the grandparents (although I am aware that Jon's father is deceased) could be such horrible people that they are not allowed to interact with their 8 grandchildren..

Sadly, there are people out there who haven't had their grandparents involved in their lives, and often it's just nothing more that, hey, we raised our kids, now it's your turn.

 

[lindalinda]

Some might find this blog enlightening. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, and I don't believe in diagnosing people from an edited tv show, but it is interesting.

http://preesi.lefora.com/forum/category/my-case-against-kate-gosselin/page1/

 

[5lilfish]

Some might find this blog enlightening. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, and I don't believe in diagnosing people from an edited tv show, but it is interesting.

http://preesi.lefora.com/forum/category/my-case-against-kate-gosselin/page1/

I think it's horrible. Boy does the writer make a lot of assumptions and judgments.

Maybe she glossed over all the gory details of infertility. Why does she need to give reasons for not adopting that baby (and then to imply she's racist). I could come up with a few reasons why the adoption would be turned down and yet the mom still wants to get pregnant (we know none of the facts except that they decided not to adopt the baby).

I stopped reading after that.

Jess

PS...I aways thought having twins would be great too. I was blessed and my 4th and 5th are twins. Does that mean that I didn't want my singletons..Heck no! I would bet that many people think the idea of twins in wonderful.

 

[CathrynRose]

Some might find this blog enlightening. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, and I don't believe in diagnosing people from an edited tv show, but it is interesting.

http://preesi.lefora.com/forum/category/my-case-against-kate-gosselin/page1/

I know a PP disagreed - but I thought it was an 'interesting' blog. Obviously biased... but interesting, thank you for posting!

 

[lindalinda]

I think it's horrible. Boy does the writer make a lot of assumptions and judgments.

Maybe she glossed over all the gory details of infertility. Why does she need to give reasons for not adopting that baby (and then to imply she's racist). I could come up with a few reasons why the adoption would be turned down and yet the mom still wants to get pregnant (we know none of the facts except that they decided not to adopt the baby).

I stopped reading after that.

Jess

PS...I aways thought having twins would be great too. I was blessed and my 4th and 5th are twins. Does that mean that I didn't want my singletons..Heck no! I would bet that many people think the idea of twins in wonderful.

Wow, I said interesting. It wasnt an indictment of you (geez). I think some interesting, but unverified points were made.
Lots of posters on here seem to make similar points, so I thought they might find it interesting.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Kate rides poor Jon like a jockey. If I was Jon, I'd hide in the kids' playhouse to get away from her fingerpointing and know-it-all attitude. The day she told the kids to ignore what daddy said and not pay attention to his instructions (regarding what was and was not allowed at the table, I believe) my jaw dropped. She completely undermines him as a father and he might as well just be a sperm donor and part of her babysitter support team. I don't even watch the show that often, but every single time I catch it, she's treating him with condescension, and she's not even subtle about it. What is she teaching those kids? Just once, I'd like to hear him say, "Shut up already, Kate!'

I've watched it twice now and haven't been back because of her domineering personality. I can't believe a loving spouse would treat another one like that.

 

[Liberty Belle]

As for the donations and volunteers:

Last year I gave birth to twin girls. At that time, my older 3 kids were 7, 8 and 10. I had gotten rid of all my baby stuff. I, too, turned down an offer for a crib because I wanted to get matching cribs. I figured the girls were going to share a room and I planned on getting cribs that converted to toddler beds. So these cribs were going to be in the shared bedroom for around 5 yrs. I wasn't snotty about it (not sure if Kate was) but I wanted them to match. I did, happily accept a swing, maternity clothes and other odds and ends.

Also...I was on bedrest a few times during the twin pregnancy. I had offers from people to come in and help with some of the housework. I knew these people and I still didn't feel comfortable having them in the house working. At that point in time I felt so out of control of everything in my life...I couldn't handle having people over. On the other hand, God Bless everyone that brought us dinners.

Jess

But did you ask for donations? Did you say society or those around you should give you donations? I don't see anything wrong in not accepting a donated crib, if you wanted matching ones. If, however, you asked for donated cribs because you simply could not afford them on your own, and then turned down one because it didn't match,yes, that's very wrong.

 

[5lilfish]

Wow, I said interesting. It wasnt an indictment of you (geez). I think some interesting, but unverified points were made.
Lots of posters on here seem to make similar points, so I thought they might find it interesting.

I wasn't criticizing you for posting it. I was criticizing the writer for being so judgmental and making huge assumptions about information that he didn't have.

Jess

 

[barkley]

I don't know but I'm sure money is being put into a trust or something for them. Afterall, the money is coming in because of them and they deserve it. IMO


I would have too!

according to the official family website in the f/a/q's-no scholarships have been gifted to the children nor are there any funds in any accounts set up for the purposes of their education. they say they are trusting that the lord will provide when the time comes.

 

[allison443]

according to the official family website in the f/a/q's-no scholarships have been gifted to the children nor are there any funds in any accounts set up for the purposes of their education. they say they are trusting that the lord will provide when the time comes.

I read that in the FAQs but then I also read a news article where the state treasurer of Pennsylvania set up a fund for donations for the kids college funds. Maybe that was done after the FAQs were written?

Okay I have already spent way too much time googling the Gosselins!!

 

[lindalinda]

according to the official family website in the f/a/q's-no scholarships have been gifted to the children nor are there any funds in any accounts set up for the purposes of their education. they say they are trusting that the lord will provide when the time comes.

This is a little surprising, but we really dont know how much actual cash is coming in from this. 8 kids are expensive to feed and clothe no matter what your situation is, even with some freebies. And frankly, if you've filled out the financial aid paperwork before, you know 8 kids is gonna effect the aid package in a very positive way.

 

[barkley]

I read that in the FAQs but then I also read a news article where the state treasurer of Pennsylvania set up a fund for donations for the kids college funds. Maybe that was done after the FAQs were written?

Okay I have already spent way too much time googling the Gosselins!!

someone posted something about that somewhere else but i've never found any articles that actualy validate it.

i dunno-i strongly suspect that if there were such a fund in existance there would be a link on the website complete with paypal capability their books not even due for publication until october and they already have a link set up to do preorders so i suspect they keep the site pretty up to date.


btw-i have'nt seen it mentioned in the any of the threads here on the dis about the family, but there's a big buzz on allot of other jon and kate threads that kate's not the only one in the family to have had plastic surgery since the show went on the air apparantly allot of folks are questioning how jon's hairline which was definatly receding even in those photos when the baby's were first born has in this season seemingly experience a re-birth such that the hairline is noticably much lower.

 

[sha_lyn]

btw-i have'nt seen it mentioned in the any of the threads here on the dis about the family, but there's a big buzz on allot of other jon and kate threads that kate's not the only one in the family to have had plastic surgery since the show went on the air apparantly allot of folks are questioning how jon's hairline which was definatly receding even in those photos when the baby's were first born has in this season seemingly experience a re-birth such that the hairline is noticably much lower.
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Hmmm....I'll have to look for the difference when they repeat the early season or show the specials that aired before they started the show.

 

[MM27]

does anyone have a link to the comments about Kate saying that they deserved donations or it was owed to them? I've seen that on a bunch of message boards but can't find it anywhere myself.

I see Kate like this:
She is obviously OCD (she's said it herself on the show) but she does what is best for her children. Her kids are a lot better behaved than some that I've seen on other shows (ever watch Super Nanny?)

It's the same thing with the Roloff's. People obsess over their messy house. I couldn't live in it like that, but if it works for them, who are we to say it's wrong.


If she didn't take freebies from those that offered, I'm sure her children wouldn't get to experience some of the things they do. I remember one episode when she took Mady and Cara to the American Girl store. The whole time they were there she said the only thing she could think of was how she hoped that she would be able to do this with the little girls. If I were in her shoes, I'd take what people were offering to me, because as another poster said, after a while it will all be gone.

 

[bumbershoot]

And to add to that, it's easy to mistake an introverted personality as snobby. I've always been like that. I'm not a super social person. Not that I completely curl up into a hole, but I prefer flying under the radar rather than being the life of the party. She's said before on episodes that she's the introvert while Jon is the extravert. Kids used to think I was SUCH a snob in school, that I thought I was better than everyone. That wasn't it at all. I just wasn't comfortable going person to person around a room and chatting with everyone.

Not saying that's the whole reason she comes off like that in public, but it could be at least part of it.

I can see that.

My hubby is very extroverted and I'm very much not, but when we are interacting, together, with other people, we come across verrrrrry much like Jon and Kate. He can get to me with a quiet word, and then I have to talk about it and b/c of the natural way my face sets (me, my mom, my aunt, my grandma all have or had a "stress face" when "at rest) people can easily thing I'm berating him, when I am NOT and it started with something he said to begin with.

We've had friends think we're having a raging argument, when we are getting along incredibly well, just b/c of the way our voices sound when we talk. It's weird. I don't know who is more uncomfortable, us b/c friends think we are arguing, or the friends...

I've watched it twice now and haven't been back because of her domineering personality. I can't believe a loving spouse would treat another one like that.

See above.

This is a little surprising, but we really dont know how much actual cash is coming in from this. 8 kids are expensive to feed and clothe no matter what your situation is, even with some freebies. And frankly, if you've filled out the financial aid paperwork before, you know 8 kids is gonna effect the aid package in a very positive way.

Also, a college might look at those kids and WANT them all there, actively recruit them. My college had "the triplets", identical girls (I am very very bad at telling the difference in identicals, and I could only ever tell the difference in how they wore their big 90s bangs, but never put a name to the bang style) who were all Math majors and softball players. They were on full ride scholarships, so no college accounts were needed...they knew that it was b/c of the girl+math and the softball, but it was heavily b/c it was all three of them. LOTS of attention to the school b/c of them.

 

[DevilDuckie]

The one question that has always nagged at me is Kate's comment that the grandparents of their children "aren't involved in our daily lives"..

It's hard for me to imagine that the grandparents (although I am aware that Jon's father is deceased) could be such horrible people that they are not allowed to interact with their 8 grandchildren..

I used to be married to a man whose father stated that if he felt he wasn't being given proper access he had a moral right to take access to my potential children BY FORCE. As he was a citizen of a foreign country and had actually kidnapped his son and taken him out of the US, I took this very seriously. He was also an alcoholic and a con artist.

Really, there are horrible people out there. Some of them are even grandparents.

 

[barkley]

does anyone have a link to the comments about Kate saying that they deserved donations or it was owed to them? I've seen that on a bunch of message boards but can't find it anywhere myself.

I see Kate like this:
She is obviously OCD (she's said it herself on the show) but she does what is best for her children. Her kids are a lot better behaved than some that I've seen on other shows (ever watch Super Nanny?)

It's the same thing with the Roloff's. People obsess over their messy house. I couldn't live in it like that, but if it works for them, who are we to say it's wrong.


If she didn't take freebies from those that offered, I'm sure her children wouldn't get to experience some of the things they do. I remember one episode when she took Mady and Cara to the American Girl store. The whole time they were there she said the only thing she could think of was how she hoped that she would be able to do this with the little girls. If I were in her shoes, I'd take what people were offering to me, because as another poster said, after a while it will all be gone.

if you google kate gosselin and 'state medical appeal' you will pull up lots of articles which include quotes from kate about her belief of their entitlement to gov. med services (and more services beyond the ones they initialy received which had already been extended for them once beyond the normal time limit).

i dunno-super nanny might be a big help with at least one youngster in that house it was sad to see on the dress up show that aired the other night how maddie just 'went off' when the little one accidently bumped into her (and wow that kind of melt down with the throwing of stuff in anger is not what i would want to see happening with a kid they've aknowledged they've figured out has a history/habit of purposely hurting the little ones ). jon and kate seem to write maddie's behaviour off as it just being 'who she is' but don't seem to take any action to correct it (you notice the little ones being sent to time out for infractions, and they pointed out in the same episode that they've insituted a new discipline plan where people have to apologize for inappropriate behaviours-but i've yet to ever see maddie in time out or have to apologize for much more (in my mind) inappropriate behaviours:sad2).

i dunno, maybe it's just me, but i think that if i were in a situation where people were offering me/my kids freebies all the time i would be hesitant to over utilize them esp. when it came to what i consider luxuries (american girl dolls being one, the traveling gym bus, private closed sessions at activity venues...). my reasoning would be that ultimatly my children are going to have to live within our (dh and mine) means-and if those means are not such that we could at least occasionaly do one of these activities with the kiddos it would be realy hard for the to understand, when/if the gifting gravy train ends-why they can't experience/do/receive what they've been raised to be accustomed to. i mean, say 4 years down the line the show is low in ratings and so there's no more sponsors or buisnesses coming forward with these perks-the kids will inevitably ask why they can't do x and y and z like they always used to. what's a parent to say? 'well, no one is giving it to us free anymore and mom and dad can't afford it'. then the kid inevitably sez 'well, how come we don't get it free anymore?' (or) 'why did we used to get it free?'. i think that opens up a can of worms where the parents are going to have to sit down and explain to kids that they CONSTANTLY say they want treated as individuals, not garnered attention based on the multiple status-that they only received those items because they were multiples and held some kind of appeal at one point in their lives that what? no longer exists?

it's not a conversation i would want to have with my own children nor something i would wish for any child to have to have.

 

[sdarwkcabemanmy]

Barkley--I know in my house growing up, if one of us had gone off like Maddie did the other night, we would've gotten a whoopin! Or worse, we would've been told to get out in the yard and fetch a 'switch' so my mom could tan our hide with it.

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[Erin1700]

Barkley--I know in my house growing up, if one of us had gone off like Maddie did the other night, we would've gotten a whoopin! Or worse, we would've been told to get out in the yard and fetch a 'switch' so my mom could tan our hide with it.

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I agree! They send everyone else to time out, why not Maddy? The dressup show tantrum should have been addressed but instead they allow it...from her anyways.

 

[Snowy-girls]

See we don't have this programme i the UK, but it sounds SO interesting!

Will have to you tube it!

We do have it,i watch it every Tue on Discovery Home+Health at 8pm sometimes its on at 9pm.Double episode every week.x.