IMO, this women continues to do talk shows, book signings, events all the while leaving her 8 kids home. With all the talk of Jon & babysitters would you schedule yourself to be away from home?? Previous posters have said she has plenty of money, her book could sell itself, there is no need for her to be on the road as much as she is. Its called keeping your family together!!!
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I totally missed Paula Deen's tweet about the pilot yesterday!
there was a tweet today around 3:30pm saying they were getting ready to shoot:
can't wait to see if anything leaks out of the taping! I'm guessing it will. I'll go even further and say that Radaronline will have an exclusive and it will be all good.
there was a tweet today around 3:30pm saying they were getting ready to shoot:
can't wait to see if anything leaks out of the taping! I'm guessing it will. I'll go even further and say that Radaronline will have an exclusive and it will be all good.
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Well, if she is there half the time (3.5 days a week) and he is there for part of the time (2 days a week), both remarks would be true (I have no basis for this equation..it's not on the timelineAnd I have nothing against working Moms or her being away for a week, if she truly believes the kids are safe with Jon. It is just that Kate (and her leaking friends) need to be a little more consistent. In the show I saw last Monday Kate said (paraphrase): "I live here most of the time, Jon is here part of the time." And then later in the same show: "I'm here only half the time and it is so sad." So, which is it, Kate? Some, half or most?
)I find this type of stuff (breaking down everything either of them say) picayune. I know I may say something like, I do all the work around this house, but in reality, I only do most of it
Maybe she was packing for the view/NY trip as well. Which half would she load..the carry on or the big suitcase? Or half the suitcase and finish loading it in the morning in the back of the car. I think a lot of times people finish up before they leave, and pack their make-up (not me, I don't own any) and toiletries and bathrobe. Again, I just think that is picky stuff (not meaning you, just in general when people bring up what she or Jon should do, but it's not how most people would do it, so why should they be any different?). The kids know they are coming and going, and they are prob very used to both mom and dad packing and traveling.
Does anyone here think if Kate stayed home full time, Jon would suddenly let her have the kids more? I have no idea how much she made off her book, or if she can afford to just sit home now because of the sales or even what they have earned from the show (and watch the clock until it's her days). Hopefully on the days she is gone (or at least most of them), Jon is with the kids, and vice versa.
thanks! I had no idea!
I don't know. Good question. If Kate had no more show, book tour, etc. and stayed home full time .. would Jon let her stay with the children more? What would Jon be doing? Would he be working, or more of the same lifestyle and Kate's career is the only variable that changed?
We have no way of knowing if Jon resents going to stay with the children. In spite of his partying, he seems glad to go back to be with them. There haven't been any reports of Jon saying he doesn't want to go back to see the kids, have there? I could envision a scenario where Kate is there more often, making it more convenient for Jon to stay away IF that's what he wanted to do. But that's a lot of speculation on a situation we don't really know much about at all.
Jon hasn't tweeted much (at all?) this week, so I'm not sure what he's been up to other than his trip to NYC for the VMA thing. Since school started, the pap pics in the front of the house have pretty much stopped. The video with the dogs is the first we've seen of the kids in about a week, now that I think about it.
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Found this on another blog... so true!!
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So bogus... all of it:
The oh-so-romantic vow renewal (complete with scripted "I promise to ask, 'Kate, how can I help you?'" vow no less - barf), then the abrupt blitz move to the manse (both within months of ending their marriage (?).
Then, not one but two unneutered puppies for a woman who claims to be already unrelently exhausted, germaphobic, and obviously pathologically controlling. (Yeah, dogs are the answer! Sure! This'll work!)
The woman who never participated in any activities is now Good Time Mommy.
The Travel Channel-esque Trips-with-the-Tups revised format.
Housefrau to fashionista wannabe make over, right before our very eyes.
The Mom to Martyr transformation.
Though legally separated, the woman piously repeats ad nauseum that she is continuing to wear her wedding ring'for the kids' (WTH?)
Two people who can't share a couch for even a few minutes without hurling insults at each other, plan to maintain a residence where they will alternate visitation with the kids (with a couple like J&K, this promised to work out every bit as well as the two unneutered puppies plan)
The man who claimed he wanted out of the spotlight to just be himself is now hawking himself for crap shows like "Divorced DADS"
Not to be outdone, the world's most narcissistic mother now wants her own "MOM Logic" show.
A woman who CHOOSES to be on the road constantly, just as constantly whines about how difficult it is on her to be away from her kids and pretends she has no other options.
And now... the dogs have vanished as abruptly as they appeared.
In GosselinWorld, where Life Defies Logic, I'm just hopeful that, like Shoka and Nala have unceremoniously disappeared, perhaps we'll all luck out and wake up one fine day soon to realize that J&K have experienced the same fate as the German Shepherds. Poof! GONE!
It'll be a happy day out here in Television Land. Wait for it.
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So bogus... all of it:
The oh-so-romantic vow renewal (complete with scripted "I promise to ask, 'Kate, how can I help you?'" vow no less - barf), then the abrupt blitz move to the manse (both within months of ending their marriage (?).
Then, not one but two unneutered puppies for a woman who claims to be already unrelently exhausted, germaphobic, and obviously pathologically controlling. (Yeah, dogs are the answer! Sure! This'll work!)
The woman who never participated in any activities is now Good Time Mommy.
The Travel Channel-esque Trips-with-the-Tups revised format.
Housefrau to fashionista wannabe make over, right before our very eyes.
The Mom to Martyr transformation.
Though legally separated, the woman piously repeats ad nauseum that she is continuing to wear her wedding ring'for the kids' (WTH?)
Two people who can't share a couch for even a few minutes without hurling insults at each other, plan to maintain a residence where they will alternate visitation with the kids (with a couple like J&K, this promised to work out every bit as well as the two unneutered puppies plan)
The man who claimed he wanted out of the spotlight to just be himself is now hawking himself for crap shows like "Divorced DADS"
Not to be outdone, the world's most narcissistic mother now wants her own "MOM Logic" show.
A woman who CHOOSES to be on the road constantly, just as constantly whines about how difficult it is on her to be away from her kids and pretends she has no other options.
And now... the dogs have vanished as abruptly as they appeared.
In GosselinWorld, where Life Defies Logic, I'm just hopeful that, like Shoka and Nala have unceremoniously disappeared, perhaps we'll all luck out and wake up one fine day soon to realize that J&K have experienced the same fate as the German Shepherds. Poof! GONE!
It'll be a happy day out here in Television Land. Wait for it.
this is a dynamic i find disturbing-and it was one i saw commonly in social services.
a parent's statements about the negative and allegedly dangerous, neglectful or inappropriate behaviour of the other parent that when you looked at the situation was totaly contradicticted by the complaining parent's actions OR indicated they were equaly guilty by virtue of their repetative inactions.
i cannot count the number of times allegations by a mom or dad against the other would come up yet it seemed that they had no issues with these alleged issues when they were a couple or it was a matter of needing to leave their children with the other parent for convenience.
i'm sorry, but while i can understand entirely the necessity of providing for your child's financial needs through your employment-there is no excuse for leaving your child in what you truly perceive as a dangerous, neglectful or abusive environment. the most basic need of any child is a safe enviornment-beyond that, while it may not be the preferable circumstances there are public assistance safety nets that will provide them food, housing, medical care and clothing if it becomes necessary to forego one's chosen line of employment in favor of their child's safety.
i have absolutly no respect for anyone who says that their children are improperly cared for by another parent or a childcare provider yet continues to allow them (and facilitate) to be in that situation. if it is a voluntary placement issue (like a non court mandated custody or a paid provider) DO NOT LEAVE THEM. if it is court mandated, REPORT-REPORT-REPORT and demand child welfare investigations-and then sit your freaking butt on the public property outside the location of the kids. while this might not garner much attention for a 'regular' person-you can bet that if kate gosselin did it there would be media coverage 24/7.
it's telling for me that while kate would make a public (media covered) specticle of herself regarding the babysitter during jon's time we continue to see her obligate herself to more and more and more travel and away from home work. if she is truly concerned about the safety of her children during her non custodial time it seems she would make every attempt to minimize her travel such that any sane judge (if it comes down to a true argument over who wants more custody-noone seems to be fighting to get these children at this point) would support her position of minimizing or regulating non parental care providers.
contracts be damned-no sponsor or company that is trying to trade off of kate's current marketable persona would dare pursue a lawsuit and the negative publicity if she bowed out of her obligations and offered her reasoning as the need to be personaly present to provide a safe and stable envirornment for her children.
I thought they had an agreement to share custody...does she have a choice not to leave?
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This is new to them..getting a divorce and having another women in the house. I'm sure you must realize that yes, this happens all the time, where the parent who is not with their child is sure something bad is going on. I'm sure (actually I know, because of friends and relatives) there is some jealousy, some guilt, some fear because she wasn't with her children. The police were there. Many on this board has said they have plenty of help..maybe there were there too. I assume, that just like non celebrity mom's, Kate panicked and came to see for herself. Who knows what the kids said (if they did) on the phone to cause her concern. Once she got there, and the police came and talked, things settled down, and Kate probably realized she over reacted and left. She has said she shouldn't have gone. Without a doubt, if Jon was mistreating the kids, there would have been a date in court. As you said, treatment of a child when they are a couple is ok..but when you are not with your child, the imagination goes wild. Mine still does and my baby is 33.
Divorce is funny like this. There aren't instruction books that come with it, although there should be, since 50% of marriages end in divorce (and if you add all those who live together and have children, there are a lot of families going through just what Kate and Jon are. You are thrown in a situation where you are sure you are what is best for your child, and yet, a judge lets the other parent have them. The other parent may parent differently from you, and you panic that they may let them cook and they may get burned. Or they may forget to pick up the toys, and your child may fall down the stairs. Or, even the other parent may have a guest over. It happens every day. But it is what it is. The courts give father's who were not the main care givers part custody all the time. Kate is now finding out that there is nothing she can do about it. Maybe things would have worked out differently if they had done things differently. But they didn't and everyone will have to get used to the situation.
I doubt that Kate really thinks harm will come to her children in Jon's hand. But being a mother, it's hard to think anyone can take better care than you can.
Divorce is funny like this. There aren't instruction books that come with it, although there should be, since 50% of marriages end in divorce (and if you add all those who live together and have children, there are a lot of families going through just what Kate and Jon are. You are thrown in a situation where you are sure you are what is best for your child, and yet, a judge lets the other parent have them. The other parent may parent differently from you, and you panic that they may let them cook and they may get burned. Or they may forget to pick up the toys, and your child may fall down the stairs. Or, even the other parent may have a guest over. It happens every day. But it is what it is. The courts give father's who were not the main care givers part custody all the time. Kate is now finding out that there is nothing she can do about it. Maybe things would have worked out differently if they had done things differently. But they didn't and everyone will have to get used to the situation.
I doubt that Kate really thinks harm will come to her children in Jon's hand. But being a mother, it's hard to think anyone can take better care than you can.
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I have to say that Kate's insistance that the children are not in a safe environment with Jon, including her plans to seek full custody of the kids, while at the same time spending so much of her custody time away is one of the things that irks me. Quite inconsistent. As are her assertions on The View that the reason she went over to the house that night was because she felt that if Jon wasn't going to be with the kids than another parent (her) should be (although the only person who ever said he was going out was her - he said he was going to be there and had a sitter there while taping, and the Paps did take pictures of that). In fact, we've had several subtly different versions of this story from her.
JMHO, Kate's issues are more about control than who has the kids - she can no longer determine how the house is kept, what shoes the children wear, and even whether or not the show gets taped on Jon's days.
And I think she must be feeling some guilt about how things ended up. Her insistance that everything is Jon's fault isn't believed by anyone (because that is rarely the case unless the DH is a dangerous person, and had that been the issue they would never have shared custody). Kate must recognize that her own actions contributed in some way, even if she just thinks she went too far in berating Jon on the show. Remember, back a few years ago her former coworkers came out and said she was hard to get along with when she was a nurse. IMO, knowing that it's pretty hard to say that Jon deserved everything she said to him. I bring this up again because that is Jon's biggest complaint about the marriage - it seems like he would have put up with a lot to keep things going but it got to be too much.
I always question things when people try to make me think that things are sooooo 1 sided. So I have to question Kate.
JMHO, Kate's issues are more about control than who has the kids - she can no longer determine how the house is kept, what shoes the children wear, and even whether or not the show gets taped on Jon's days.
And I think she must be feeling some guilt about how things ended up. Her insistance that everything is Jon's fault isn't believed by anyone (because that is rarely the case unless the DH is a dangerous person, and had that been the issue they would never have shared custody). Kate must recognize that her own actions contributed in some way, even if she just thinks she went too far in berating Jon on the show. Remember, back a few years ago her former coworkers came out and said she was hard to get along with when she was a nurse. IMO, knowing that it's pretty hard to say that Jon deserved everything she said to him. I bring this up again because that is Jon's biggest complaint about the marriage - it seems like he would have put up with a lot to keep things going but it got to be too much.
I always question things when people try to make me think that things are sooooo 1 sided. So I have to question Kate.
i just see kate as someone who has repeatedly said things about the level of care her kids need but then turns around and does the opposite.
in the early seasons of the show she would repeatedly say that it was impossible for one person to care for the kids all alone-yet she seemed fine with leaving all but one child (and seriously is taking just one out of the mix going to make that big a difference???) with jodi on all those occasions when she and jon did their individual 'special days' with each of the kids (and kevin was'nt there on all those occasions-we only saw jodi's other kids which would seem to me to make an 'impossible' caregiving situation even more so). kate said in early seasons that jon was'nt capable of caring for the kids alone for more than an hour or so-but that seemed to be disregarded when she decided that it was financialy optimal for her to become employed such that she had to travel and be outside the home-then jon seemed to be the ideal person to be the sahp.
there is no handbook that says the right and wrong of parenting during a divorce-but any good divorce lawyer is going to advise his/her client that their actions speak louder than their words when it comes to raising concerns over the other parent's lack of parenting skills or alleged endangerment. the other parent's lawyer has only to counter any allegations with examples of how it must not either be a valid accusation or have been of extreeme concern to the complaining parent if they continued to facilitate their child being in the situation/environment.
this can open a HUGE can of worms if child welfare gets involved. they won't only look at the parent the allegations are leveled at they will look at the safety and wellbeing of the kids with either parent (or whomever the parents entrust care to). a parent who alleges issues but continues to let their child be in an inappropriate environment can be found to be endangering their child.
a family member found this out the hard way-he and his wife had a nasty divorce and he became hyper critical of her parenting choices. nothing that had'nt occured when they were married, nothing that stopped him from letting her have the kids when it was convenient/necessary for him to work. child welfare gets called in to evaluate and while they find some very minor issues with mom they find some equaly minor questionable issues with him as well -and they question why with the very serious allegations he's made on the ex he's continued to allow the kids unsupervised time with her (no court order, by mutual agreement)-so he's looked at for child endangerment. he tries using the reasoning that the kids have a cell phone and are instructed to call him if anything happens-child welfare tells him if something's happened necessitating a phone call it's already too late.
upshot-both parents get mandated oversight by child welfare but he's got a documented record of making unfounded and baseless allegations against the ex AND having a documented history of repeatedly placing his children into what he perceived at the time was a dangerous environment (and the courts ripped him a new one for setting up a situation with the kids and the cell phones-he was putting fears into those kid's minds about being with their own mother when he was the one eagerly schlepping the kids over there anytime his work/personal life conflicted with his custodial time).
in the early seasons of the show she would repeatedly say that it was impossible for one person to care for the kids all alone-yet she seemed fine with leaving all but one child (and seriously is taking just one out of the mix going to make that big a difference???) with jodi on all those occasions when she and jon did their individual 'special days' with each of the kids (and kevin was'nt there on all those occasions-we only saw jodi's other kids which would seem to me to make an 'impossible' caregiving situation even more so). kate said in early seasons that jon was'nt capable of caring for the kids alone for more than an hour or so-but that seemed to be disregarded when she decided that it was financialy optimal for her to become employed such that she had to travel and be outside the home-then jon seemed to be the ideal person to be the sahp.
there is no handbook that says the right and wrong of parenting during a divorce-but any good divorce lawyer is going to advise his/her client that their actions speak louder than their words when it comes to raising concerns over the other parent's lack of parenting skills or alleged endangerment. the other parent's lawyer has only to counter any allegations with examples of how it must not either be a valid accusation or have been of extreeme concern to the complaining parent if they continued to facilitate their child being in the situation/environment.
this can open a HUGE can of worms if child welfare gets involved. they won't only look at the parent the allegations are leveled at they will look at the safety and wellbeing of the kids with either parent (or whomever the parents entrust care to). a parent who alleges issues but continues to let their child be in an inappropriate environment can be found to be endangering their child.
a family member found this out the hard way-he and his wife had a nasty divorce and he became hyper critical of her parenting choices. nothing that had'nt occured when they were married, nothing that stopped him from letting her have the kids when it was convenient/necessary for him to work. child welfare gets called in to evaluate and while they find some very minor issues with mom they find some equaly minor questionable issues with him as well -and they question why with the very serious allegations he's made on the ex he's continued to allow the kids unsupervised time with her (no court order, by mutual agreement)-so he's looked at for child endangerment. he tries using the reasoning that the kids have a cell phone and are instructed to call him if anything happens-child welfare tells him if something's happened necessitating a phone call it's already too late.
upshot-both parents get mandated oversight by child welfare but he's got a documented record of making unfounded and baseless allegations against the ex AND having a documented history of repeatedly placing his children into what he perceived at the time was a dangerous environment (and the courts ripped him a new one for setting up a situation with the kids and the cell phones-he was putting fears into those kid's minds about being with their own mother when he was the one eagerly schlepping the kids over there anytime his work/personal life conflicted with his custodial time).
Another good post Barkley--ITA!!! Kate is a narcissist, so she thinks she is better than everyone. Between J & K they can't keep their stories straight. Everyone knows she has a lot on her plate, but those kids should be #1 priority and unfortunately their at the bottom. She wants her cake and wants to eat it too!!!
Barkley, with this and your previous post you managed to clarify my thoughts for me on the contradictions between Kate's words and her actions. Thank you.
I guess it is not recent either. Your examples were great, but I was also shocked when she and Jon left all the kids (and some of them were sick) with Jodi and Kevin -- Jon's hair transplant episode. Surely a cosmetic procedure could be rescheduled if some of the kids were sick? The spin has been there for a while, and a lot of the past comments from both Kate and Jon don't hold up under scrutiny.
I especially agree with the bolded part below. Family Court Judges are very used to all this "he said, she said" stuff and good at reading between the lines. I'd think that the judge in this case will ignore all the tabloid speculations and the public statements by both Jon and Kate and want documented evidence. We probably won't ever know the details because the records will and IMO should be sealed.
I guess it is not recent either. Your examples were great, but I was also shocked when she and Jon left all the kids (and some of them were sick) with Jodi and Kevin -- Jon's hair transplant episode. Surely a cosmetic procedure could be rescheduled if some of the kids were sick?
The spin has been there for a while, and a lot of the past comments from both Kate and Jon don't hold up under scrutiny. I especially agree with the bolded part below. Family Court Judges are very used to all this "he said, she said" stuff and good at reading between the lines. I'd think that the judge in this case will ignore all the tabloid speculations and the public statements by both Jon and Kate and want documented evidence. We probably won't ever know the details because the records will and IMO should be sealed.
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I think they both should zip it. If Jon really thought Kate was abusive, why would he leave the kids with her?
When did she say that she doesn't think Jon is responsible enough to watch the kids. I thought she just didn't like his choice of babysitter?
I don't think Kate should sign any deals for new shows until the divorce is final. This new show is just a pilot. Who knows if it will even get picked up. I remember when they did the pilot for the Maury Povich show, it wasn't until months later that they started taping for real.
So many people want J&K+8 to end. Looks like Kate is trying to find something else to do to support the family so they can afford the same lifestyle they have grown accustom to. Maybe the show will only go on for this season and then be re-evaluated if she has found something else. What is Jon going to do to support the family?
When did she say that she doesn't think Jon is responsible enough to watch the kids. I thought she just didn't like his choice of babysitter?
I don't think Kate should sign any deals for new shows until the divorce is final. This new show is just a pilot. Who knows if it will even get picked up. I remember when they did the pilot for the Maury Povich show, it wasn't until months later that they started taping for real.
So many people want J&K+8 to end. Looks like Kate is trying to find something else to do to support the family so they can afford the same lifestyle they have grown accustom to. Maybe the show will only go on for this season and then be re-evaluated if she has found something else. What is Jon going to do to support the family?
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I know..where did all of this come from? I haven't heard Kate or Jon insinuate the other was abusive to the kids (or irresponsible to the point of being afraid to leave the kids with them). I've seen both of them spank, I've seen Jon grab a few arms to pull them along, but nothing tht CS would get involved for. And (at least here in NY) parents need to be doing some pretty stupid/awful things to have Child Services involved...especially in divorce cases when accusations fly. Other than fun stuff, my husband wasn't the main caretaker of my children. They've gotten hurt on his watch (mine too, yikes!) and he took care of them differently than I did. If we had ever divorced, I would prob have some concerns (would he ever feed them vegetables, would they ever brush their teeth on his watch, or go to bed at a reasonable time, would he remember doctor appointments, and would he remember he even had them before going out for the evening LOL?), but for the most part when the accusations fly, it's for plain old custody reasons. Family court judges aren't stupid..they have handled so many cases they understand what is going on. In J & K's case, I'm sure there is guilt on both sides, which prob ate at Kate that night she showed up , or maybe when she called or the girls called her it had all built up. But it will all be sorted out, Kate will learn her control is gone (which has to be hard for her to swallow) and Jon hopefully will grow up and look at the company he wants to keep around the kids and things will settle down.
If it's time for the show to end, I hope Kate does well co-hosting a show, and the kids are then out of the lime light.
If it's time for the show to end, I hope Kate does well co-hosting a show, and the kids are then out of the lime light.
Her cookbook is still coming out this fall? I hope there are no chicken recipes in it.
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