Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[redrosesix]

how soon will it be before we see these kids bundled off to boarding school?

sure would seem to work with jon and kate's availability-the kids at the one across from my son's school stay 24/7, and only go on homeleave once a month (from wednesday at noon until the following sunday evening when they have to be checked back in). even then not all the kids go home, kind of understandable when the kids are international students-but the ones whose family live local or within a couple hours flight(and the school has free shuttle busses lined up when homeleave starts to take the kids to the airport, and will pick them up all day sunday-so it's not a matter of it being a hassle transportation wise).


i'de hate to see it happen, but as compared to the instability of a revolving door of babysiters, daddy girlfriends and absent parents those kids might be better off (dh went to boarding school for a couple of years not related to a parenting issue and he's one of the first to say there were kids he attended with whose whole sense of family and stability was based on the relationships they made at school with some incredibly caring and compassionate adults those kids truly viewed as the real parental figures in their lives. it's evident to this day-those staff members are regarding as primary members of those kid's close families and are the first to be called with important news, and visited on a regular basis).

I went to boarding school for a year (for academic reasons, my DD might too when she's ready for high school) I totally agree with your DH -- many of the very rich kids were closer to the housemistress than their own mother (and they still are -- we just had a reunion)

I never thought about boarding school for the Gosselin kids, but that would be a very good fit, especially if the show doesn't stop pretty soon and/or Kate continues with her celebrity quest (which seems to always include the kids in some way). They'd be under very tight security and not have to deal with the paps through their teen years except when they're home.

Looking back, the tummy tuck episode is one of the most telling shows ever aired.

Jon and Kate obviously loved and cared for each other. They were still clearly involved with their faith, as Jon prayed for and with Kate. They were shown to be real and genuine, and I believe it was an accurate edit of their life at that point. Two vulnerable, overwhelmed young parents.

The Kate that came home after a week away was different, though. She was physically different, with the new hairstyle .. she had a real taste of the "good life" staying with a plastic surgeon .. and it changed her. And I'm not saying it wouldn't change anyone else, because it probably would ... I'm just saying that I saw a very different Kate at the end of that show than was shown at the beginning.

veeeeerrrrry interesting post. I'll have to go on youtube and watch that episode.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I know..where did all of this come from? I haven't heard Kate or Jon insinuate the other was abusive to the kids (or irresponsible to the point of being afraid to leave the kids with them). I've seen both of them spank, I've seen Jon grab a few arms to pull them along, but nothing tht CS would get involved for. And (at least here in NY) parents need to be doing some pretty stupid/awful things to have Child Services involved...especially in divorce cases when accusations fly. Other than fun stuff, my husband wasn't the main caretaker of my children. They've gotten hurt on his watch (mine too, yikes!) and he took care of them differently than I did. If we had ever divorced, I would prob have some concerns (would he ever feed them vegetables, would they ever brush their teeth on his watch, or go to bed at a reasonable time, would he remember doctor appointments, and would he remember he even had them before going out for the evening LOL?), but for the most part when the accusations fly, it's for plain old custody reasons. Family court judges aren't stupid..they have handled so many cases they understand what is going on. In J & K's case, I'm sure there is guilt on both sides, which prob ate at Kate that night she showed up , or maybe when she called or the girls called her it had all built up. But it will all be sorted out, Kate will learn her control is gone (which has to be hard for her to swallow) and Jon hopefully will grow up and look at the company he wants to keep around the kids and things will settle down.

If it's time for the show to end, I hope Kate does well co-hosting a show, and the kids are then out of the lime light.

ITA, I have not heard either of them say the other was not fit to be alone with the kids.

When Jon and Kate were away for the surgery was one of the sweetest moments together on the show. Even after she came home, they were obviously in love. Later episodes, I saw that slipping away and finally resentment and anger was what I mostly saw.
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Yes, that was a very sweet episode and somewhere along the way they both dropped the ball and lost sight of what was important.

Oh and maybe Paula watched Kate pop Emeril on the arm with the spatula and LOL so she thought there's a "girl after my own heart." I thought that was a funny part of that show even though a lot of people didn't like that. Or maybe she saw it and thought, "I've always to pop him with a spatula too!" LOL

I thought that was funny too and very harmless. IMO, Emeril thought so too and they both were having fun with each other. I remember reading the posts from that episode before I actually watched it and thinking it was going to be really bad only to watch and find that it was blown way out of proportion.

 

[barkley]

I went to boarding school for a year (for academic reasons, my DD might too when she's ready for high school) I totally agree with your DH -- many of the very rich kids were closer to the housemistress than their own mother (and they still are -- we just had a reunion)

I never thought about boarding school for the Gosselin kids, but that would be a very good fit, especially if the show doesn't stop pretty soon and/or Kate continues with her celebrity quest (which seems to always include the kids in some way). They'd be under very tight security and not have to deal with the paps through their teen years except when they're home.



veeeeerrrrry interesting post. I'll have to go on youtube and watch that episode.

kate could probably find a school that would cater to her views eating wise as well-the one dh went to as well as the one near ds's school is totaly vegetarian which apparantly for some parents is a huge draw over schools that just offer vegetarian alternate menus. i have to imagine there are organic friendly schools out there too.

 

[kidshop]

how soon will it be before we see these kids bundled off to boarding school?

sure would seem to work with jon and kate's availability-the kids at the one across from my son's school stay 24/7, and only go on homeleave once a month (from wednesday at noon until the following sunday evening when they have to be checked back in). even then not all the kids go home, kind of understandable when the kids are international students-but the ones whose family live local or within a couple hours flight(and the school has free shuttle busses lined up when homeleave starts to take the kids to the airport, and will pick them up all day sunday-so it's not a matter of it being a hassle transportation wise).


i'de hate to see it happen, but as compared to the instability of a revolving door of babysiters, daddy girlfriends and absent parents those kids might be better off (dh went to boarding school for a couple of years not related to a parenting issue and he's one of the first to say there were kids he attended with whose whole sense of family and stability was based on the relationships they made at school with some incredibly caring and compassionate adults those kids truly viewed as the real parental figures in their lives. it's evident to this day-those staff members are regarding as primary members of those kid's close families and are the first to be called with important news, and visited on a regular basis).

Like the dogs, the kids may be better off elsewhere, but if they are gone, how does that mesh with Kate's image of hardworking single mom taking care of 8 kids alone?

Do loving, dedicated, involved parents send their kids away? You can't even pretend to be raising them if you see them once a month can you? If they were sent away, that would be the death of the show, so it's not likely, but I can see Kate wanting to pursue her career and travel a lot. Jon would just say he was sending them there until he could figure out what to do. I wonder if they will sell the new house soon? I've heard some rumbling about that. Then we will know.

 

[MAKmom]

Looking back, the tummy tuck episode is one of the most telling shows ever aired.

Jon and Kate obviously loved and cared for each other. They were still clearly involved with their faith, as Jon prayed for and with Kate. They were shown to be real and genuine, and I believe it was an accurate edit of their life at that point. Two vulnerable, overwhelmed young parents.

The Kate that came home after a week away was different, though. She was physically different, with the new hairstyle .. she had a real taste of the "good life" staying with a plastic surgeon .. and it changed her. And I'm not saying it wouldn't change anyone else, because it probably would ... I'm just saying that I saw a very different Kate at the end of that show than was shown at the beginning.

Thats why I always give Kate a pass. She knows what poor is. She knows what being on government assistance is like.

She found herself in a crazy situation. TLC was her lifeline & she is still hanging onto it. The money is more than we can even imagine making. She has 13 more years until they are all 18. If she stops now the money will not last. She needs it to last the rest of her life....she can't go back to nursing. Who would hire her?

She must be in panic mode . Jon is useless & a side show act right now.

 

[barkley]

Looking back, the tummy tuck episode is one of the most telling shows ever aired.

Jon and Kate obviously loved and cared for each other. They were still clearly involved with their faith, as Jon prayed for and with Kate. They were shown to be real and genuine, and I believe it was an accurate edit of their life at that point. Two vulnerable, overwhelmed young parents.

The Kate that came home after a week away was different, though. She was physically different, with the new hairstyle .. she had a real taste of the "good life" staying with a plastic surgeon .. and it changed her. And I'm not saying it wouldn't change anyone else, because it probably would ... I'm just saying that I saw a very different Kate at the end of that show than was shown at the beginning.

i think you're right about the changes in her after that experience. i also detected her changing significantly over the course of her friendship with beth. she definatly appreciated beth's home and the amenities that property had to offer (she chose it over their own home when they were having some family photos done on one episode). i don't think she considered that beth and her husband were'nt as young as she and jon/at different points in their lives-and that home/lifestyle was something they had likley worked for years and years to achieve.

in many ways while kate is in her 30's she reminds me of many of the young marrieds i've known and lived around in their early 20's. they look at what their parents or older neighbors have and expect to have that (and more) right off the bat. dh and i used to just listen to the wives complain about how they could'nt understand why they could'nt have some of the things 'everyone' else had, or could'nt afford to be sahm's like 'everyone else around here'. what they did'nt take into consideration was those 'things' they thought everyone else had, had'nt come into most of our homes until years into our marriages (lots of us had china from our weddings-most of us did'nt get a hutch to display it in for years). what they did'nt consider was it was by virtue of putting off these kinds of purchases, and starting out in much less expensive housing (buy cheap, build equity, buy up-repeatedly till you get to your dream home) we were able despite lower incomes than their spouses alone were bringing home to afford one of us being a sahp (we had a great sahd on our block as well).

we see this sporadicaly in our neighborhood now. young couples who see the pretty homes on the gorgeous 10 acre lots. they dream of having kids here with a sahm. then when mom gets pregnant and they start crunching the numbers they realize they did'nt consider the additional expense of having kids, and how much they were reliant on mom's income. being a sahm is'nt even an option-and they quickly realize that staying in the neighborhood is'nt anymore as well-if mom goes back to work the daycare costs are insane.

so we see them move in, starry eyed-and within a year of the first child that house is back on the market. there's a reason the only ones of us with kids out here are in our mid to late 40's-it took allot of financialy planning, sacrifices and time to get here.

 

[barkley]

Thats why I always give Kate a pass. She knows what poor is. She knows what being on government assistance is like.

She found herself in a crazy situation. TLC was her lifeline & she is still hanging onto it. The money is more than we can even imagine making. She has 13 more years until they are all 18. If she stops now the money will not last. She needs it to last the rest of her life....she can't go back to nursing. Who would hire her?

She must be in panic mode . Jon is useless & a side show act right now.

how does she know what 'poor' is like? the only government assistance we've ever known them to be on was a medicaid program that has no income or property limits (preemies automaticaly qualify for it in that state by virtue of being preemies no matter how much income, money or property the parent has)-and it provided private in home nurses that most individual insurance plans don't even cover.

the gosselins supposedly claimed to friends and the community that they were financialy hard up and accepted donations but it's never been shown or have they stated that they ever had to resort to applying for cash assistance or foodstamps (and since kate was publicly very vocal with her statements that it's "society's obligation" to financialy provide for multiples you can bet that if she even suspected they met the income or property/resource criteria for cash or foodstamps she would have taken full advantage).

 

[Buckalew11]

Looking back, the tummy tuck episode is one of the most telling shows ever aired.

Jon and Kate obviously loved and cared for each other. They were still clearly involved with their faith, as Jon prayed for and with Kate. They were shown to be real and genuine, and I believe it was an accurate edit of their life at that point. Two vulnerable, overwhelmed young parents.

The Kate that came home after a week away was different, though. She was physically different, with the new hairstyle .. she had a real taste of the "good life" staying with a plastic surgeon .. and it changed her. And I'm not saying it wouldn't change anyone else, because it probably would ... I'm just saying that I saw a very different Kate at the end of that show than was shown at the beginning.

Physically she was different. No tummy and cute hair. She felt good about herself and I'm sure her self esteem was higher. They were still close and sweet--remember them folding laundry on their bed?

I'm sure she had a taste of the finer things in life while staying at the doctor's house with his wife. And of course, that type of thing changes you. Just liking nicer things doesn't make you a bad person though (and I know you know that, I'm just saying...)

The bigger worse changes happened when Kate and Jon started getting agressive and passive-agressive with one another. Once they started disrespecting one another, it was all down hill and the marriage failed.

The surgery and the cute hair didn't ruin her. Heck, I do cute hair on people every single day and transform them from blah to "ta-da!" rotfl: ) and that doesn't change who they are and if they stay married. Kate was frumpy. Period. And I expected her to be frumpy--she had a lot going on with 8 kids and no $$. But thank God the frumpiness is over. She was never a fat person--and once the surgery removed the skin and she started on the treadmill and toning up, she got results very quickly.

ITA, I have not heard either of them say the other was not fit to be alone with the kids.



Yes, that was a very sweet episode and somewhere along the way they both dropped the ball and lost sight of what was important.



I thought that was funny too and very harmless. IMO, Emeril thought so too and they both were having fun with each other. I remember reading the posts from that episode before I actually watched it and thinking it was going to be really bad only to watch and find that it was blown way out of proportion.

me too. I remember watching and thinking, "That's it?" Even her interactions with the solar panel guy didn't add up to what they sounded like here. I think it is her way of interacting with them. I'm much the same with many people I know. Doesn't make me a b----.

 

[DMRick]

I've always heard Kate insinuate that Jon was an irresponsible parent, even on the show (saying "your father has no sense" in front of the kids -- it was about the jackets they were to wear that day ), and in the LKL interview she did discuss that. IMO, she would not be asking for full custody, would not have said she had to file for divorce to protect her kids if she thought he was a good parent. Have we seen papers, or has Kate herself said (not a source or close friend, 'cause we all know Kate has no friends) she was going for full custody? That's not very easy to get.

I hardly think saying Jon has no sense is the same as the kids being abused. I have to say my husband has been an irresponsible parent. 28 years later, I still shudder at the amount of times my husband took my 5 year old to school on a motorcycle. No one thought to mention it to me, until my son was in his 20's and bought his own motorcycle. There are lots of things my husband hasn't done like I would do them, and I'm sure I've been 'Kate' at times (but my husband is one great sweetie and we've been married over 40 years). When she said she had to protect her kids, it never occured to me it was from Jon's abuse, but I did think it had to do with his use of money. But I don't know that for a fact either.

And stating that she believes Jon is acting like a 15 yo, or was abducted by aliens is not vouching for his parenting skills.

I don't think that had anything to do with his parenting skills, but his marriage skills. I actually thought that was pretty funny.

I wrote that pretty quickly on my blackberry -- let me clarify. Kate said the reason the marriage was over was that Jon had changed, that she didn't want to be married to him (Hello! she just remarried him a few months ago). If that's not saying it's all his fault, I don't know what is.

She has also said she had a part in it. So I think that says it was both of their faults.

 

[Nancy]

My daughter just told me that Jon is in town today...in Buffalo! He is appearing at Fright Fest (a haunted house thing) and signing autographed pictures from 7-9 tonight (for 7.00).

Not sure HOW this connects in with the show or even WHY he would be here...sounds really strange to me. And NO I am not going to get his autograph...not worth 7 bucks and the 10 minutes in the car for me.

 

[barkley]

Physically she was different. No tummy and cute hair. She felt good about herself and I'm sure her self esteem was higher. They were still close and sweet--remember them folding laundry on their bed?

I'm sure she had a taste of the finer things in life while staying at the doctor's house with his wife. And of course, that type of thing changes you. Just liking nicer things doesn't make you a bad person though (and I know you know that, I'm just saying...)

The bigger worse changes happened when Kate and Jon started getting agressive and passive-agressive with one another. Once they started disrespecting one another, it was all down hill and the marriage failed.

The surgery and the cute hair didn't ruin her. Heck, I do cute hair on people every single day and transform them from blah to "ta-da!" rotfl: ) and that doesn't change who they are and if they stay married. Kate was frumpy. Period. And I expected her to be frumpy--she had a lot going on with 8 kids and no $$. But thank God the frumpiness is over. She was never a fat person--and once the surgery removed the skin and she started on the treadmill and toning up, she got results very quickly.



me too. I remember watching and thinking, "That's it?" Even her interactions with the solar panel guy didn't add up to what they sounded like here. I think it is her way of interacting with them. I'm much the same with many people I know. Doesn't make me a b----.

i think if your clients (or any of us) got a blah to ta-dah hairstyle makeover that we had professional stylists around on a constant basis to put and keep that salon fresh ta-dah look in place for so much as cleaning the fridge it might change us at least a little

i'm sure the makeover changed her self perception, sometimes that's for the good in a person, sometime not so much. not saying this is kate's situation but when my former employer's insurance started covering gastric bypass i had lots of female co-workers get it done. it was shocking at first but then became a fairly common occurance that once the weight dropped, and after a trip to the beauty shop for a hair and makeup makeover these women changed their wardrobes, personalities and lifestyles dramaticaly. previously seemingly very stable and secure marriages (and the kids) were left to deal with the fallout over mom engaging in behaviours that she had either never previously engaged in or had left behind in her wild, youthful, pre-wed days (this is a family board so i'll leave it at-mommy out hitting the bars and often engaging in emotional/physical relationships that caused their hubbys to file for divorce).

it was honestly enough of a trend that the pre counseling sessions our insurance company required of prospective patients was modified to address and disclose the potential for negative relationship issues and the documented frequency of divorces post surgery

 

[Nancy]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/19/jon-gosselin-autograph-buffalo/

Jon Gosselin Won't Charge for John Hancock
Posted Sep 19th 2009 10:55AM by TMZ Staff
We're not sure who would have paid $7 for an autograph of Jon Gosselin -- but it turns out it was never even an option.

Gosselin is scheduled to appear today at Frightworld in Buffalo, NY -- and a local paper wrote that Gosselin was charging $7 for his autograph (which by our math, is about $7 more than it's worth).

But alas, it's not true. Jon's people tell us he never agreed to any such arrangement. In fact, Jon is doing the appearance as part of his efforts to launch the Jon Gosselin Children's Foundation -- which, we're assuming, helps children who have been exploited by reality television shows. Kidding. Kind of.



So Kate's taping a new pilot and Jon's at an autograph show....who's with the kids today? They seem to have this flexible open joint custody arrangement and still can't arrange their schedules so one of them is always with the kids...on a weekend day even when the kids are all home. Can't stand these people!

I just posted about this...and now my husband just asked me who he is because he just saw it on line

 

[DMRick]

Like the dogs, the kids may be better off elsewhere, but if they are gone, how does that mesh with Kate's image of hardworking single mom taking care of 8 kids alone?.

I totally don't agree that the kids may be like the dogs, better away from their parents. Gosh people, we complain when they aren't with them, and then say they might be better off separated from their parents. Am I the only one who feel these kids are loved? Gosh, I'm glad none of you were involved in my life when my kids were young. Im sure I couldn't stand up to your scrutiny. My kids were well loved, but looking back, I'm sure I screwed up. My husband was in a rock band and I pawned my kids off on my mom several weekends and they loved it..how many flavors of ice cream can one grandma keep in the freezer?), so I could go to the gigs. Shame on me, wanting fun and leaving my responsibilites at home. My kids are all adults..heck they thought they had a fun, exciting life (not many kids show up at school on an old 1948 Harley).

We have no idea who they kids are with, if it's Beth's sister, or Jon's mom or the nanny. It takes time to settle out who has kids when, and we have no idea when either Paula's show was planned, or Jon's activities. These may have been in the hopper for months. I'm sure they will work on it and it will not take boarding school for the kids and parents settled in a routine.

 

[DMRick]

I agree with this. Things have certainly changed, since we bought our starter houses in the 60's for under $10,000 and then sold them in the $70,000. For us it was an investment. Now houses are bought, and the banks give out outrageous loans, and the younger couples find they can't afford them and either sell for a loss or go belly up. They all saw what their parents did and want the same..but life is just not the same anymore.
Many of us had pensions, mostly funded by the company. Now a fair amount of each weeks payday goes for retirement, if it can be afforded. Health care was usually covered by our employers for a reasonable cost. Now, it is becomeing more and more the employee who has to ante up.
It's sure not like it used to be.

we see this sporadicaly in our neighborhood now. young couples who see the pretty homes on the gorgeous 10 acre lots. they dream of having kids here with a sahm. then when mom gets pregnant and they start crunching the numbers they realize they did'nt consider the additional expense of having kids, and how much they were reliant on mom's income. being a sahm is'nt even an option-and they quickly realize that staying in the neighborhood is'nt anymore as well-if mom goes back to work the daycare costs are insane.

so we see them move in, starry eyed-and within a year of the first child that house is back on the market. there's a reason the only ones of us with kids out here are in our mid to late 40's-it took allot of financialy planning, sacrifices and time to get here.

 

[Buckalew11]

i think if your clients (or any of us) got a blah to ta-dah hairstyle makeover that we had professional stylists around on a constant basis to put and keep that salon fresh ta-dah look in place for so much as cleaning the fridge it might change us at least a little

i'm sure the makeover changed her self perception, sometimes that's for the good in a person, sometime not so much. not saying this is kate's situation but when my former employer's insurance started covering gastric bypass i had lots of female co-workers get it done. it was shocking at first but then became a fairly common occurance that once the weight dropped, and after a trip to the beauty shop for a hair and makeup makeover these women changed their wardrobes, personalities and lifestyles dramaticaly. previously seemingly very stable and secure marriages (and the kids) were left to deal with the fallout over mom engaging in behaviours that she had either never previously engaged in or had left behind in her wild, youthful, pre-wed days (this is a family board so i'll leave it at-mommy out hitting the bars and often engaging in emotional/physical relationships that caused their hubbys to file for divorce).

it was honestly enough of a trend that the pre counseling sessions our insurance company required of prospective patients was modified to address and disclose the potential for negative relationship issues and the documented frequency of divorces post surgery

I'm not sure exactly what your first paragraph means.

The truth about gastric bypass is that for many, many people who have it done, it causes other dependency problems. There are studies on this. People will take one addiction and fill it with another. They have that addictoive personality to begin with. Sex, alcohol etc. is very common misused after surgery. For people who have had GB, it generally doesn't even take one drink to get them tipsy/drunk--it only takes one sip or a few more than that. The alcohol goes straight into their system.
So yes, a lot of marriage troubles come from those two things but the new self image. Very sad, indeed.

 

[Promomx2]

I just figured out what happened to Jon and Kate to change them from the caring couple to what they are now. When Kate had her tummy tuck and Jon had his hairplugs some evil tv producer from TLC implanted microchips so he could control their actions.

 

[madge]

Thats why I always give Kate a pass. She knows what poor is. She knows what being on government assistance is like.

when was Kate on government assistance? I missed that part of the story!

being poor was never part of the story she told. they weren't sure how they were going to make it with all the kids and had some tough times, but Kate never used words that described themselves as poor, or broke. If she did, I honestly don't remember .. and it wasn't a focus point in the story.

She found herself in a crazy situation. TLC was her lifeline & she is still hanging onto it. The money is more than we can even imagine making. She has 13 more years until they are all 18. If she stops now the money will not last. She needs it to last the rest of her life....she can't go back to nursing. Who would hire her?

the money she has wouldn't allow them to have the lifestyle they're accustomed to for the rest of their lives, it's true. A life without a mansion & pool, personal assistants, brand new car, nannies, security people, private schools, etc. would require much less. I would hope there's substantial savings to live off of. From the looks of things, their life is full of wants, not necessarily needs. Downsizing the home and cars, living simply .. that would, at least, buy them a little time for Kate to find a job.

We can talk about what they could do if the show stopped all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that neither Jon nor Kate want to give up the lifestyle they've accumulated. And there's nothing wrong with that. Really, there's not. Well ... it isn't as marketable as doing everything for the children. That could be a problem. LOL.

She must be in panic mode . Jon is useless & a side show act right now.

They both are side show acts, IMO.

 

[MAKmom]

how does she know what 'poor' is like? the only government assistance we've ever known them to be on was a medicaid program that has no income or property limits (preemies automaticaly qualify for it in that state by virtue of being preemies no matter how much income, money or property the parent has)-and it provided private in home nurses that most individual insurance plans don't even cover.

the gosselins supposedly claimed to friends and the community that they were financialy hard up and accepted donations but it's never been shown or have they stated that they ever had to resort to applying for cash assistance or foodstamps (and since kate was publicly very vocal with her statements that it's "society's obligation" to financialy provide for multiples you can bet that if she even suspected they met the income or property/resource criteria for cash or foodstamps she would have taken full advantage).

I thought it was a welfare/public assistant program that they were on.

She grew up in a trailor park. Her mother was only 17 when she was born & Kate was the second baby. I was always under the impression she was poor growing up.
Jon was fired from his job before the six were born & could not get unemployment checks. I always assumed they were poor since they needed food donated to them. How did they pay the bills with both out of work?

 

[MAKmom]

I totally don't agree that the kids may be like the dogs, better away from their parents. Gosh people, we complain when they aren't with them, and then say they might be better off separated from their parents. Am I the only one who feel these kids are loved? Gosh, I'm glad none of you were involved in my life when my kids were young. Im sure I couldn't stand up to your scrutiny. My kids were well loved, but looking back, I'm sure I screwed up. My husband was in a rock band and I pawned my kids off on my mom several weekends and they loved it..how many flavors of ice cream can one grandma keep in the freezer?), so I could go to the gigs. Shame on me, wanting fun and leaving my responsibilites at home. My kids are all adults..heck they thought they had a fun, exciting life (not many kids show up at school on an old 1948 Harley).

We have no idea who they kids are with, if it's Beth's sister, or Jon's mom or the nanny. It takes time to settle out who has kids when, and we have no idea when either Paula's show was planned, or Jon's activities. These may have been in the hopper for months. I'm sure they will work on it and it will not take boarding school for the kids and parents settled in a routine.

You go girl!

Boarding schools do not take 5 years old kids the 6 are safe for now

Cara & Mady ......better watch out

The kids are better off with both parents around. Jon will chill out soon. Kate will be the primary caregiver & be bossing Jon around again when the dust settles.

Many children have parents who travel for work, have bad judgement , are control freaks, drink to much & have affairs. It stinks but it is life.

 

[madge]

My daughter just told me that Jon is in town today...in Buffalo! He is appearing at Fright Fest (a haunted house thing) and signing autographed pictures from 7-9 tonight (for 7.00).

Not sure HOW this connects in with the show or even WHY he would be here...sounds really strange to me. And NO I am not going to get his autograph...not worth 7 bucks and the 10 minutes in the car for me.

I guess the $7 thing didn't really work out for him

and the children are home .. with a nanny .. for the 2nd time this week.