Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[redrosesix]

I liked the show in the beginning when they were babies and they showed their typical day getting them dressed, at the table, playing, etc......I saw a different side of Kate when Jodi gave the kids the gum and she was threatning to throw out one of the boys teddy bears. That broke my heart. After that I noticed that she was becoming meaner and they were constantly begging for money.

I used to let my DD watch the show then too -- and, as a good mother, I would watch what she was watching. The teddy bear episode, however, brought her to tears. IMO, it was the WDW episode that really did it for me.

But it was much different when the kids weren't going to school, didn't have to face their friends about what had happened on the show, etc. Truly, kids' looks change so much from the time they are toddlers that they may not have been recognized out in public without their famous parents once they got older. And on top of that, their parents have courted the media to become even more famous, meaning that these children no longer have any private life nor will they for many years to come. It just all seems so much more intrusive now that they have all started school and are no longer babies.

Plus, while they were babies it would have been quite ok for parts of the show to show them sleeping, eating, etc. Now they have to be doing something -- it must cut into their schedule a lot more, and IMO it would be next to impossible for them to do any activities outside of school and homework.

 

[DMRick]

I don't think that's going to happen. Too much water under the bridge. I think this has been happening (them no longer in love) for years. I personally, based on what I have watched haven't thought they were compatible since shortly after the series started. Even when I was team Jon, I thought they would break up. I often thought of him as one of the kids.

I've been saying this all along. I still think he will go to rehab & go back to Kate in the end.

 

[LoriKay]

Okay, so I watched the Jon interview on Primetime the other night. Surely I cannot be the only person that thought he looked/acted/sounded kind of crazy, right? His eyes were very buggy and he could not sit still and his voice was all strained and weird. He was talking really fast and not even thinking about the things John Cuomo was saying. I thought maybe he was acting a little speed jiggy, frankly. He looked like he wanted to jump out of his own skin.

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No, you are not the only person that thought these things. I couldn't agree more.

 

[walden]

Don't anyone else read this please (LOL). I haven't commented on his interview because I thought everyone would think I was being team Kate, if I did. Just pretend I wrote the below. I thought he was like a little kid in school trying to get out all the tattling before the teacher asks the other kids who started the hitting LOL. It may just be that he had so much to say, but it's not like he hasn't also had a chance at the fenceline. I thought maybe he was on some medication.

Well, by this response everyone will think I'm on Team Jon! But I'm not. I really dislike his recent behaviours. I thought he was a darn good Dad before season 4.

He may well be on meds-- perhaps prescribed antidepressants, or perhaps, and quite frankly, drunk as a skunk! He has admitted to treating pain with alcohol.

I'm being analytical, and do have a background in domestic violence prevention, but I honestly believe -- viewing as much of the picture as I can, and not knowing either of these quite unlikable people -- that Jon has been emotionally/verbally and psychologically abused by Kate. Sorry, but that is what I really think.

I also thought his story was credible and fit with the body language time-line that I observed in season 4. I thought he seemed hurt, upset, betrayed and angry. Not impaired, in this interview, by substance abuse.

I'm still "earning my ears" (I guess that is why I can't post links and I'm not taking it personally) but please google *victims of emotional abuse.* Lots of good sites will come up. Lilac Lane, in particular, has some good comments from folk (male and female) who have acted in really self-destructive ways (alcohol, promiscuity, spending) after freeing themselves from the abusive situation.

Please do not dismiss my comments out of hand as "pro-Jon." I'm not on either side in this sad situation. I just want to alert people that they may want to research a bit more before blaming the (possible) victim.

And Jon looks really bad right now! I hope the children are OK.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-kate-gosselin-tears-jon-says-hes-bringing-girlfriend-their-home#comment-30608

Jon told Kate on Thursday that he's planning to bring girlfriend Hailey Glassman to their Pennsylvania home very soon to spend time with their children, RadarOnline.com learned exclusively.

Kate thinks it's too soon for the kids to be introduced to their father's girlfriend. She asked Jon to consider the kids' emotions and how hard it is for them to deal with their parents divorce. In Kate's view, adding a parent's new romantic interest into the equation right now is simply too much.


It was reported earlier that Hailey broke up with Jon but if this new story is true, and he brings her to meet the kids then he is a completely selfish moron.

 

[redrosesix]

Well, by this response everyone will think I'm on Team Jon! But I'm not. I really dislike his recent behaviours. I thought he was a darn good Dad before season 4.

He may well be on meds-- perhaps prescribed antidepressants, or perhaps, and quite frankly, drunk as a skunk! He has admitted to treating pain with alcohol.

I'm being analytical, and do have a background in domestic violence prevention, but I honestly believe -- viewing as much of the picture as I can, and not knowing either of these quite unlikable people -- that Jon has been emotionally/verbally and psychologically abused by Kate. Sorry, but that is what I really think.

I also thought his story was credible and fit with the body language time-line that I observed in season 4. I thought he seemed hurt, upset, betrayed and angry. Not impaired, in this interview, by substance abuse.

I'm still "earning my ears" (I guess that is why I can't post links and I'm not taking it personally) but please google *victims of emotional abuse.* Lots of good sites will come up. Lilac Lane, in particular, has some good comments from folk (male and female) who have acted in really self-destructive ways (alcohol, promiscuity, spending) after freeing themselves from the abusive situation.

Please do not dismiss my comments out of hand as "pro-Jon." I'm not on either side in this sad situation. I just want to alert people that they may want to research a bit more before blaming the (possible) victim.

And Jon looks really bad right now! I hope the children are OK.

I have to second the possibility of anti-depressants. Although I've poked fun at Jon for his weight gain in the past 6 months, that could well be a sign of anti-depressant use, especially since he has apparently been more physically active since Jan -- snowboarding, at the gym, and even riding his motorcycle.

And Jon did state in the interview that he is careful not to drink too much, since alcoholism runs throughout his family. I have yet to see any credible reports of him actually being drunk -- the last I heard of was his 30th birthday on the show. IMO, anyone who avoids becoming an alcoholic like he does is not going to do street drugs.

IMO, I saw a person who was doing a 3 hour interview, only 20 mins of which we saw, on topics which made him very emotional and angry. Jon is not a great public speaker and never was. How would you expect somebody to act when they were talking about their divorce, a secret year-long separation, and being separated from their kids? JHMHO, but I was happy not to be spoon-fed lines that had been pre-determined by a PR rep for TLC. For those of you on Team Kate, maybe you prefer the sullen, defeatist Jon who always let Kate finish his sentences for him, because he had just given up. I didn't.

And I've been around too many addicts of every kind to believe that Jon is an addict just because he disagrees with his ex-wife about almost everything. However, I have no doubt that that is one of the charges that Kate will make against him in an attempt to get full custody of the kids (and the money, and the house, and the right to decide whether the show continues) -- so I can see some drug-testing in Jon's future. These are extremely serious allegations to make against someone you don't know, and although I would never say I'm Jon's #1 fan, I'm quite uncomfortable with people making them against Jon.

 

[torinsmom]

I've been saying this all along. I still think he will go to rehab & go back to Kate in the end.

If that happens, I would lose all respect for Kate. My ex tried that crap and I told him "Too bad, so sad." Sometimes you find out the grass isn't greener on the other side, but you darn well better stay over there and enjoy the grass you chose.

I don't think Jon was abused. He was henpecked, but he chose to stay in that. I think he liked it at first(he seems to need someone to "lead" him) and it started bothering him when the public started chiming in on it. Then a pretty(well to some people) young thing started treating him like he was the sh*t, and he decided he liked that better. Just my opinion though. Kate could do much better and should never consider taking him back.

Marsha

 

[DMRick]

Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, even the newbies. I don't happen to agree with yours, but I would have about the abuse, if I hadn't rewatched during a marathon, and picked up much more of what Jon said very low. Stuff I never caught the first time, because I was being too busy yelling at Kate through the screen. I used to be team Jon. That pulled me up short. Kate is loud, and we heard everything she said to Jon. Jon mumbled a lot, but his nasty remarks are there. That said, none of us really know the extent on either side, since TLC were the editors, and we have no idea how much was said by either of them. IMO, there is no way for someone trained or untrained to know who was abused or the abuser, since we only saw edited versions. Who ever's side TLC was on that month, is the person who came away looking good. I think (in my untrained mind, although I have taken many classes on dealing with teens, albeit all Christian classes) they both gave it and got it, and it's very good for the kids that they are apart. I think (just my opinion) J & K are also much better apart.

I'm being analytical, and do have a background in domestic violence prevention, but I honestly believe -- viewing as much of the picture as I can, and not knowing either of these quite unlikable people -- that Jon has been emotionally/verbally and psychologically abused by Kate. Sorry, but that is what I really think.

I also thought his story was credible and fit with the body language time-line that I observed in season 4. I thought he seemed hurt, upset, betrayed and angry. Not impaired, in this interview, by substance abuse.

I'm still "earning my ears" (I guess that is why I can't post links and I'm not taking it personally) but please google *victims of emotional abuse.* Lots of good sites will come up. Lilac Lane, in particular, has some good comments from folk (male and female) who have acted in really self-destructive ways (alcohol, promiscuity, spending) after freeing themselves from the abusive situation.

Please do not dismiss my comments out of hand as "pro-Jon." I'm not on either side in this sad situation. I just want to alert people that they may want to research a bit more before blaming the (possible) victim.

And Jon looks really bad right now! I hope the children are OK.

 

[madge]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-kate-gosselin-tears-jon-says-hes-bringing-girlfriend-their-home#comment-30608

Jon told Kate on Thursday that he's planning to bring girlfriend Hailey Glassman to their Pennsylvania home very soon to spend time with their children, RadarOnline.com learned exclusively.

Kate thinks it's too soon for the kids to be introduced to their father's girlfriend. She asked Jon to consider the kids' emotions and how hard it is for them to deal with their parents divorce. In Kate's view, adding a parent's new romantic interest into the equation right now is simply too much.

blah, blah, blah .. that's all this is .. more of the same. sources close to Kate reporting on how devastated she is? that's a good friend for you ... and Jon bringing Hailey to the house? What a bonehead.

The saddest thing about this whole mess is that Jon and Kate each claim everything they do is for their children. Who's thinking of the children while Jon and Kate are airing their "private" divorce in the tabloids? Not Jon and Kate, that's for sure. So classy, these two.

 

[DMRick]

Who knows if Jon really said he was bringing her, and if he didn't, then Kate wasn't devastated. I've decided not to listen to the sources, or the close friends. They bring the most garbage to all of this.

For sure, someone is loving the public airing, since the tabloids are being bought. Or maybe they aren't..there was nothing in the supermarket aisle on them this week..unless those tabloids were all sold out.

I'm not hearing anything different from Kate & Jon..it's all the same old same old. One says it, the other denies it. Just like everyone elses divorce.

blah, blah, blah .. that's all this is .. more of the same. sources close to Kate reporting on how devastated she is? that's a good friend for you ... and Jon bringing Hailey to the house? What a bonehead.

The saddest thing about this whole mess is that Jon and Kate each claim everything they do is for their children. Who's thinking of the children while Jon and Kate are airing their "private" divorce in the tabloids? Not Jon and Kate, that's for sure. So classy, these two.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Who knows if Jon really said he was bringing her, and if he didn't, then Kate wasn't devastated. I've decided not to listen to the sources, or the close friends. They bring the most garbage to all of this.

For sure, someone is loving the public airing, since the tabloids are being bought. Or maybe they aren't..there was nothing in the supermarket aisle on them this week..unless those tabloids were all sold out.

I'm not hearing anything different from Kate & Jon..it's all the same old same old. One says it, the other denies it. Just like everyone elses divorce.

Actually, the story may have at least some merit. A seperate magazine is reporting that Jon gave Hailey her first tour of Wernersville today and spent the day there. Wernersville is where the family home is.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/gosselin-and-glassman-2009109

 

[DMRick]

Well, if he does, then he's a bigger idiot than I thought. Although, who knows, by now maybe the kids have already met her. The divorce will be final in a couple of weeks, so I guess all bets are off. I wonder what happened to the source that said they split LOL?

Actually, the story may have at least some merit. A seperate magazine is reporting that Jon gave Hailey her first tour of Wernersville today and spent the day there. Wernersville is where the family home is.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/gosselin-and-glassman-2009109

 

[walden]

Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, even the newbies. I don't happen to agree with yours, but I would have about the abuse, if I hadn't rewatched during a marathon, and picked up much more of what Jon said very low. Stuff I never caught the first time, because I was being too busy yelling at Kate through the screen. I used to be team Jon. That pulled me up short. Kate is loud, and we heard everything she said to Jon. Jon mumbled a lot, but his nasty remarks are there. That said, none of us really know the extent on either side, since TLC were the editors, and we have no idea how much was said by either of them. IMO, there is no way for someone trained or untrained to know who was abused or the abuser, since we only saw edited versions. Who ever's side TLC was on that month, is the person who came away looking good. I think (in my untrained mind, although I have taken many classes on dealing with teens, albeit all Christian classes) they both gave it and got it, and it's very good for the kids that they are apart. I think (just my opinion) J & K are also much better apart.

Yes, even Newbies are allowed opinions (apparently.) And trained or untrained we are also allowed opinions! I have been very careful in what I have said. I do agree that they are much better apart. But those poor children.

Could you please just google some stuff? Look at the entire profile? Look at the reactions and behaviours of victims of abuse in Jon's behaviours? I asked you not to dismiss me out of hand -- but you just did!

Sorry, my dear. Please get off the "everyone just loves to hate Kate bandwagon" and try to consider what I just said from perhaps a less biased POV?

I'm feeling dissed right now!

 

[DMRick]

I have googled stuff in the past. This isn't the first time this has been mentioned or come up. It's been discussed a lot.
Don't take this personally. I just don't happen to agree with you. You're going to find that a lot here, as we all have opinions. I stated you were allowed yours, and I'm allowed mine. I didn't dismiss you out of hand. I just don't agree with you..sorry.

Yes, even Newbies are allowed opinions (apparently.) And trained or untrained we are also allowed opinions! I have been very careful in what I have said. I do agree that they are much better apart. But those poor children.

Could you please just google some stuff? Look at the entire profile? Look at the reactions and behaviours of victims of abuse in Jon's behaviours? I asked you not to dismiss me out of hand -- but you just did!

Sorry, my dear. Please get off the "everyone just loves to hate Kate bandwagon" and try to consider what I just said from perhaps a less biased POV?

I'm feeling dissed right now!

No reason for you to feel dissed. I too am allowed to feel how I feel. Again, no need to make this personal. I have the right to feel that 'everyone just loves to hate Kate'. No need for me to 'get off' the bandwagon.

 

[OhMari]

Hi OhMari! It's nice to see you again on the thread. I'll bet you've been lurking!

Ya, Jon probably is using his tweets for fence meetings!

Yep, I'm a lurker, everyone usually says what I am thinking, like I totally agree with the statement below. Very well said.

The whole spoof reminds me that these people have made way too many public mistakes. Yes, she's spoofing the hairdo and the bikini, but the nasty stuff was taken from their real lives too -- not like parodying somebody like William Shatner and the way he talked in Star Trek, for example, and that never gets old but it really is just harmless.

So, my advice for J & K:
First, Jon, shut up! Just shut up -- you've had your say and that went fine, so now just shut up. Play with the kids in the back yard. Stay in your apt when you're in NY. Tell your friends to shut up too. Don't say anything about the show, but quietly get out of it -- and shut up about it -- even if you're trying to get your kids out of the show, say nothing and let the courts handle it. And demand that the other house be sold. Heck, you may even want to go back to school, but otherwise get a real job and show your kids what their lives are really going to be like when they grow up. In summary, I don't care what you wear, or what you drive, just be smart and shut up and lay low until your kids grow up.

Now, Kate, this is harder. Sure, try doing the View, but if it doesn't work out, give up. Stop turning everything you do with your kids into a photo opp and stop talking about Jon -- just stop. I know you can't stay away from the cameras, but we've heard everything you could possibly say about Jon -- it's getting repetitive and it's now overkill. Yes, we know you don't like him, but find something else to talk about. And stop fighting this divorce in public. You want control of the money, the house and full custody of the kids, but it may not work out that way -- wait until you've been to court because public opinion is really not going to have any bearing on what the judge decides.

Whew -- I feel better now.

Yes, even Newbies are allowed opinions (apparently.) And trained or untrained we are also allowed opinions! I have been very careful in what I have said. I do agree that they are much better apart. But those poor children.

Could you please just google some stuff? Look at the entire profile? Look at the reactions and behaviours of victims of abuse in Jon's behaviours? I asked you not to dismiss me out of hand -- but you just did!

Sorry, my dear. Please get off the "everyone just loves to hate Kate bandwagon" and try to consider what I just said from perhaps a less biased POV?

I'm feeling dissed right now!

Sorry, but just keep trying.
I get what you are saying.
I can see characteristics of Jon being verbally abused,
but I think he is taking that discription and really pushing it and redefining it, it make himself a really abused person. But his denial of some of his actions since January, doesn't add up, and most of us on this thread, put 2 and 2 together and it never adds up to 4 with Jon.
Jon claims he went out to Utah, to ski with friends and why did Deanna show up in some of the shots.
Just an example-he also sent Kara home with nanny's or whatever that same weekend, so he could spend more time out there.

 

[MAKmom]

I have to second the possibility of anti-depressants. Although I've poked fun at Jon for his weight gain in the past 6 months, that could well be a sign of anti-depressant use, especially since he has apparently been more physically active since Jan -- snowboarding, at the gym, and even riding his motorcycle.

And Jon did state in the interview that he is careful not to drink too much, since alcoholism runs throughout his family. I have yet to see any credible reports of him actually being drunk -- the last I heard of was his 30th birthday on the show. IMO, anyone who avoids becoming an alcoholic like he does is not going to do street drugs.

IMO, I saw a person who was doing a 3 hour interview, only 20 mins of which we saw, on topics which made him very emotional and angry. Jon is not a great public speaker and never was. How would you expect somebody to act when they were talking about their divorce, a secret year-long separation, and being separated from their kids? JHMHO, but I was happy not to be spoon-fed lines that had been pre-determined by a PR rep for TLC. For those of you on Team Kate, maybe you prefer the sullen, defeatist Jon who always let Kate finish his sentences for him, because he had just given up. I didn't.

And I've been around too many addicts of every kind to believe that Jon is an addict just because he disagrees with his ex-wife about almost everything. However, I have no doubt that that is one of the charges that Kate will make against him in an attempt to get full custody of the kids (and the money, and the house, and the right to decide whether the show continues) -- so I can see some drug-testing in Jon's future. These are extremely serious allegations to make against someone you don't know, and although I would never say I'm Jon's #1 fan, I'm quite uncomfortable with people making them against Jon.

This is the first I have heard that allegations have been made against Jon about illegal drug use...what site did you read this on.

I have only read people discussing that they think he is on drugs...that is not the same as someone making an allegation against him. It is the same as saying you think someone is having an affair, or spends too much time away from their kids.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

If that happens, I would lose all respect for Kate. My ex tried that crap and I told him "Too bad, so sad." Sometimes you find out the grass isn't greener on the other side, but you darn well better stay over there and enjoy the grass you chose.

I don't think Jon was abused. He was henpecked, but he chose to stay in that. I think he liked it at first(he seems to need someone to "lead" him) and it started bothering him when the public started chiming in on it. Then a pretty(well to some people) young thing started treating him like he was the sh*t, and he decided he liked that better. Just my opinion though. Kate could do much better and should never consider taking him back.

Marsha

If Jon talked to Kate the way she did to him, and if he was the one doing the "love tapping" it would be abuse. But if it's Kate doing it he's henpecked and liking it. Sad, very sad.

 

[DMRick]

Remember guys..we want to keep this thread going. As hard as it might be, since we all have our own opinions, we need to be careful (yup, myself as well) to not make this personal, and have it closed. We all have too much time invested in this thread..and withdrawal woudl be terrible!
Doris

 

[Nancy]

Kathy Griffin is awesome. Her Kate parody was hilarious.

Okay, so I watched the Jon interview on Primetime the other night. Surely I cannot be the only person that thought he looked/acted/sounded kind of crazy, right? His eyes were very buggy and he could not sit still and his voice was all strained and weird. He was talking really fast and not even thinking about the things John Cuomo was saying. I thought maybe he was acting a little speed jiggy, frankly. He looked like he wanted to jump out of his own skin.

My opinion, of course.

I didn't see the whole things but in the parts I saw I just thought he looked angry

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-bringing-girlfriend-their-home#comment-30608

Jon told Kate on Thursday that he's planning to bring girlfriend Hailey Glassman to their Pennsylvania home very soon to spend time with their children, RadarOnline.com learned exclusively.

Kate thinks it's too soon for the kids to be introduced to their father's girlfriend. She asked Jon to consider the kids' emotions and how hard it is for them to deal with their parents divorce. In Kate's view, adding a parent's new romantic interest into the equation right now is simply too much.


It was reported earlier that Hailey broke up with Jon but if this new story is true, and he brings her to meet the kids then he is a completely selfish moron.

I agree and from the sounds of it, they are still together. Maybe she was going to dump him and then when the interview came out she decided she couldn't't since he said he loved her on national TV.

Yes, even Newbies are allowed opinions (apparently.) And trained or untrained we are also allowed opinions! I have been very careful in what I have said. I do agree that they are much better apart. But those poor children.

Could you please just google some stuff? Look at the entire profile? Look at the reactions and behaviours of victims of abuse in Jon's behaviours? I asked you not to dismiss me out of hand -- but you just did!

Sorry, my dear. Please get off the "everyone just loves to hate Kate bandwagon" and try to consider what I just said from perhaps a less biased POV?

I'm feeling dissed right now!

The only trouble with diagnosing anything with Jon or Kate is that we don't really see it...we see a heavily edited TLC version of their life. Sure I can watch and say "Kate is such a witch and Jon is abused" but we don't see if anything led up to Kate making the comments she made. Maybe Jon just went off on her for saying "good morning" to him when he was cranky...so of course then she is defensive and angry. TLC edits and Kate looks bad.

Not saying this is what happened..it is just a scenario. While watching the show I always keep in mind that it is not live...it is taped and we only see very small bits and pieces of what their reality really is like.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I agree and from the sounds of it, they are still together. Maybe she was going to dump him and then when the interview came out she decided she couldn't't since he said he loved her on national TV.

The only trouble with diagnosing anything with Jon or Kate is that we don't really see it...we see a heavily edited TLC version of their life. Sure I can watch and say "Kate is such a witch and Jon is abused" but we don't see if anything led up to Kate making the comments she made. Maybe Jon just went off on her for saying "good morning" to him when he was cranky...so of course then she is defensive and angry. TLC edits and Kate looks bad.

Not saying this is what happened..it is just a scenario. While watching the show I always keep in mind that it is not live...it is taped and we only see very small bits and pieces of what their reality really is like.

Good points. I thought the same thing about the Hailey thing, perhaps she was going to dump him and he somehow smoothed things over. It is only a matter of time...at least I hope so. I hope Jon finds someone a little more mature and stable for the kids sake and about a year from now would be nice....