Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

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While I am neither team Kate or team Jon (team kids is what I vote for) I do understand a bit where Jon is coming from when he says he was verbally abused. Like the way she shouted at him when they were in the toy store or when he didn't use a coupon when purchasing something for the new house. I know that I would not want to be talked to that way. With that being said if he did not like it he should have said something out loud to Kate and called her out on it.
 
Actually, some of the things we have heard repeatedly are definite signs of abuse. Such as always putting him down, limiting or omitting his time with his family, and having control over all the money. These are all signs of abuse. His behavior is extreme- that is a given, but it does not change the circumstances of what happened during their marriage. If this sitauation was a woman she might not have many supporters as an abuse victim either because most would not be able to see past her current behavior.
I could picture Kate possibly ending the marriage and then Jon getting counseling. After he felt he got enough self esteem he probably stopped going and is still struggling.
 
While I am neither team Kate or team Jon (team kids is what I vote for) I do understand a bit where Jon is coming from when he says he was verbally abused. Like the way she shouted at him when they were in the toy store or when he didn't use a coupon when purchasing something for the new house. I know that I would not want to be talked to that way. With that being said if he did not like it he should have said something out loud to Kate and called her out on it.

That is like saying when someone gets hit they should just leave. Everyone knows it but it is not always that easy.
 
But again, we only see what TLC wants us to see. We really don't know who was responsible for Jon not seeing his family more. I thought he said in an earlier interview that he did see his brother. Did someone say Jon's dad was an alcoholic? If so, at that time, maybe Jon agreed to not see the family/.although the kids sure sound like they saw him. After a divorce is started, it's much easier to blame someone else for your shortcomings. Jon certainly told Kate how he felt about her yelling at him at Toys are Us (and we have to remember, she was wearing a mic, so we also heard that a lot louder than other's in the store) and he certainly told her about the stick up her you know what. He wasn't this meek little kid who just took it. Perhaps he had more to say, that we missed, but TLC wanted Kate to be the 'bad' guy at that time, so we saw what they wanted us to see. It certainly kept us talking about the show back then. Now they want us to like Kate, since she'll prob outlast Jon on the show..so now it's his turn to look bad.
How do we know what is real and what is edited?


Actually, some of the things we have heard repeatedly are definite signs of abuse. Such as always putting him down, limiting or omitting his time with his family, and having control over all the money. These are all signs of abuse. His behavior is extreme- that is a given, but it does not change the circumstances of what happened during their marriage. If this sitauation was a woman she might not have many supporters as an abuse victim either because most would not be able to see past her current behavior.
I could picture Kate possibly ending the marriage and then Jon getting counseling. After he felt he got enough self esteem he probably stopped going and is still struggling.
 

Good points. I thought the same thing about the Hailey thing, perhaps she was going to dump him and he somehow smoothed things over. It is only a matter of time...at least I hope so. I hope Jon finds someone a little more mature and stable for the kids sake and about a year from now would be nice....:)

You could be right -- the interview was apparently taped the day he left for Vegas. IMO, if the tabloid articles are correct about Hailey's possessiveness, I think Jon will be the one ending it -- I just don't see him jumping into another relationship where he has to worry about spending time with his friends or his mother. And given all that, how's she going to feel about Jon paying more attention to his kids than to her? BTW, I'd take Stephanie (the one who has a kid and who's willing to pose nude) over Hailey (the one with the gun and the bong) anyday -- so I guess I'm admitting I'm biased. :lmao:

A year from now might be ok, provided it's somebody he's serious about settling down with -- otherwise, there's really no reason for the kids to become involved in the relationship JMHO. But Dr. Laura would say that he should wait for the kids to grow up.
 
Sorry, but just keep trying.
I get what you are saying.
I can see characteristics of Jon being verbally abused,
but I think he is taking that discription and really pushing it and redefining it, it make himself a really abused person. But his denial of some of his actions since January, doesn't add up, and most of us on this thread, put 2 and 2 together and it never adds up to 4 with Jon.
Jon claims he went out to Utah, to ski with friends and why did Deanna show up in some of the shots.
Just an example-he also sent Kara home with nanny's or whatever that same weekend, so he could spend more time out there.

Hi OhMari! I realize that you are the moderater and apologize for reacting rather personally to a perceived put-down by another poster.

However, you didn't exactly make me feel any better -- see the bolded above -- about newbie thoughts not being exactly appreciated! If your (collective) thoughts are truly set in stone I'm beating my head against a brick wall and should just shut up.

Domestic violence and emotional abuse issues are incredibly complex, especially when the victim is male. I just would like to encourage people to think even harder than they are at the moment and research even more.

I think that there is new information out there with Jon's latest interview. I also did some back tracking on closed threads here and realize that there were animated discussions on the DIS "way back then" that support Jon's timeline and might partly explain the Deanna in Utah issue.

I think I've said all I want for the moment. I'm going to go very quiet here for a bit and just read others thoughts.

No hard feelings, I enjoy most of the posters here. I'm just giving myself a short time-out. :goodvibes
 
But again, we only see what TLC wants us to see. We really don't know who was responsible for Jon not seeing his family more. I thought he said in an earlier interview that he did see his brother. Did someone say Jon's dad was an alcoholic? If so, at that time, maybe Jon agreed to not see the family/.although the kids sure sound like they saw him. After a divorce is started, it's much easier to blame someone else for your shortcomings. Jon certainly told Kate how he felt about her yelling at him at Toys are Us (and we have to remember, she was wearing a mic, so we also heard that a lot louder than other's in the store) and he certainly told her about the stick up her you know what. He wasn't this meek little kid who just took it. Perhaps he had more to say, that we missed, but TLC wanted Kate to be the 'bad' guy at that time, so we saw what they wanted us to see. It certainly kept us talking about the show back then. Now they want us to like Kate, since she'll prob outlast Jon on the show..so now it's his turn to look bad.
How do we know what is real and what is edited?

Jon said his father was an alcoholic. But his father died when the twins were 2 and his mother recently remarried.

As for the Toys R Us episode, everybody was looking at her, and Jon could hear her clear across the store (where she told him to stay with the kids) IMO, I wouldn't count on seeing Jon get back at her or either of them behaving differently if we could look behind the scenes -- no way would Kate have signed on for more episodes if they portrayed her the wrong way. She never seemed to understand when Jon told her he didn't like something that she said or did.
 
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Jon's dad was the dentist..the one who gave so many toys to the twins (they held onto some at the garage sale) and helped build the swingset, right? Did Jon's mom remarry after he died, or were they divorced?

Believe me, I don't think Kate was quiet at Toys R Us, but I do think we heard her a lot louder than others, because of the mic.

TLC has portrayed Kate bad a lot, when they could have edited parts out. I don't think it bothers Kate how they portray her. I do agree with some, that she has a one track mind, and that's that the money comes in to support her brood. I think no matter how they portray her, she will continue to sign on, as long as it's profitable..not even getting into the why's and reasons she wants the money. I think for her (my opinion only) she'll take a lot, and keep on ticking.

Jon said his father was an alcoholic. But his father died and his mother remarried.

As for the Toys R Us episode, everybody was looking at her, and Jon could hear her clear across the store (where she told him to stay with the kids) IMO, I wouldn't count on seeing Jon get back at her or either of them behaving differently if we could look behind the scenes -- no way would Kate have signed on for more episodes if they portrayed her the wrong way. She never seemed to understand when Jon told her he didn't like something that she said or did.
 
Hi OhMari! I realize that you are the moderater and apologize for reacting rather personally to a perceived put-down by another poster.

However, you didn't exactly make me feel any better -- see the bolded above -- about newbie thoughts not being exactly appreciated! If your (collective) thoughts are truly set in stone I'm beating my head against a brick wall and should just shut up.

Domestic violence and emotional abuse issues are incredibly complex, especially when the victim is male. I just would like to encourage people to think even harder than they are at the moment and research even more.

I think that there is new information out there with Jon's latest interview. I also did some back tracking on closed threads here and realize that there were animated discussions on the DIS "way back then" that support Jon's timeline and might partly explain the Deanna in Utah issue. I read the book in 1974-way back, when only 4 channels existed, plus the underground WGN out of Chicago.

I think I've said all I want for the moment. I'm going to go very quiet here for a bit and just read others thoughts.

No hard feelings, I enjoy most of the posters here. I'm just giving myself a short time-out. :goodvibes

I'm sorry, I never meant to disregard or disrespect your input with this thread. Many of us, started way over a year ago, with this thread, and it was for pure enjoyment of the show. We were all sad, disappointed, stupidtified, in which the direction of Jon and Kate as a couple is playing out. I hope you reconsider and post, but I know about sitting back and lurking. I have been lurking almost all summer, sometimes this Reality Show and the lives of the Gosselins can consume all your time and energy, and it makes you wonder why it holds us captive.
You have brought some really good insite, and I thank you for it. This thread as I stated, is something we will discuss, every angle and like I said, half the time, nothing makes sense and within a couple of weeks, Jon or Kate will do an interview, and will to justify their actions. In a way, it is really creepy, that we tend to know within hours, what they are doing. I guess it is too Realistic. And, I've always said in many posts how I read a book when I was in 7th grade that Ray Bradbury wrote-the futuristic of 24 hour tv realism. I just wish I could remember the name of the book.
 
I think you might have misunderstood OhMari. She would never have put you down. She was just stating her opinion of how she see's things, and how things have often been seen on this board (because there isn't much about J & K that hasn't been pulled apart and disected).She wasn't saying that newbie thoughts were not exactly appreciated. Everyone's thoughts have always been read, just maybe not agreed to..but that isn't just with newbies. Many of us have differing opinions. That's all they are, opinions. We all like each other, we just don't all agree..new posters, old posters and any poster in between. You may end up beating your head against a wall a lot in this thread :). Believe me, the same things can be repeated a zillion times, but we all still have our own opinions, so some may agree with you, and some may not. That's just the way it is in an online discussion. It shouldn't be taken personal, none of us would last, unless we had very very thick skin.

Hi OhMari! I realize that you are the moderater and apologize for reacting rather personally to a perceived put-down by another poster.

However, you didn't exactly make me feel any better -- see the bolded above -- about newbie thoughts not being exactly appreciated! If your (collective) thoughts are truly set in stone I'm beating my head against a brick wall and should just shut up.

Domestic violence and emotional abuse issues are incredibly complex, especially when the victim is male. I just would like to encourage people to think even harder than they are at the moment and research even more.

I think that there is new information out there with Jon's latest interview. I also did some back tracking on closed threads here and realize that there were animated discussions on the DIS "way back then" that support Jon's timeline and might partly explain the Deanna in Utah issue.

I think I've said all I want for the moment. I'm going to go very quiet here for a bit and just read others thoughts.

No hard feelings, I enjoy most of the posters here. I'm just giving myself a short time-out. :goodvibes
 
TLC has portrayed Kate bad a lot, when they could have edited parts out. I don't think it bothers Kate how they portray her. I do agree with some, that she has a one track mind, and that's that the money comes in to support her brood. I think no matter how they portray her, she will continue to sign on, as long as it's profitable..not even getting into the why's and reasons she wants the money. I think for her (my opinion only) she'll take a lot, and keep on ticking.

OMG :scared1: You could be right about this.

But I'd still say WYSIWYG -- Jon and Kate were probably no different behind the scenes, probably just doing boring stuff. Until recently, of course, when they were fighting in front of the kids and that had to be edited out (they both said that was happening)
 
OMG :scared1: You could be right about this.
Careful, you almost agreed with me. We don't want to give out the wrong impression.

What I really want to talk about is, if Jon wants off the show, does he want the kids off too, or does he want them to continue? If he wants them off too (I'm thinking he wants his privacy, but wants his share of the money the show brings), why hasn't he teamed up with Jodi and Kevin, and why are they silent right now?
 
You could be right -- the interview was apparently taped the day he left for Vegas. IMO, if the tabloid articles are correct about Hailey's possessiveness, I think Jon will be the one ending it -- I just don't see him jumping into another relationship where he has to worry about spending time with his friends or his mother. And given all that, how's she going to feel about Jon paying more attention to his kids than to her? BTW, I'd take Stephanie (the one who has a kid and who's willing to pose nude) over Hailey (the one with the gun and the bong) anyday -- so I guess I'm admitting I'm biased. :lmao:

A year from now might be ok, provided it's somebody he's serious about settling down with -- otherwise, there's really no reason for the kids to become involved in the relationship JMHO. But Dr. Laura would say that he should wait for the kids to grow up.

Since I have no life I have been thinking about the whole Vegas trip....I wonder if maybe it was because his mom was there that Hailey was not. Someone earlier said why not take them both...maybe Jon's mom didn't want her there and he was making Mom happy.

I don't post here all the time either, but I lurk, read and post when I have time. I appreciate all the different takes on the whole show and I did go and google some of the stuff on emotional abuse..interesting reading, sure I can see a lot of it playing out in their relationship but I have to wonder how it got to that point..was it Kate being frustrated because he was acting like a kid himself...or is she just controlling and he got beat down? I guess we'll never really know because none of us were there
 
What I really want to talk about is, if Jon wants off the show, does he want the kids off too, or does he want them to continue? If he wants them off too (I'm thinking he wants his privacy, but wants his share of the money the show brings), why hasn't he teamed up with Jodi and Kevin, and why are they silent right now?

there is a portion of Jon's interview with ABC that he addresses TLC and the show.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b141849_jon_gosselin_talks_good_morning_america.html

not long after the story originally aired, Jon came back and told E! what he "meant" to say, instead of what he actually said.

At any rate, that part of the interview never aired.
 
Careful, you almost agreed with me. We don't want to give out the wrong impression.

What I really want to talk about is, if Jon wants off the show, does he want the kids off too, or does he want them to continue? If he wants them off too (I'm thinking he wants his privacy, but wants his share of the money the show brings), why hasn't he teamed up with Jodi and Kevin, and why are they silent right now?

Yes I did. :goodvibes

It's pretty scary when we all agree on this thread, because that always means we're on to something eg. about Jon living in the garage. It's kind of like we're The View, but with a really big table and lots and lots of chairs. :lmao:

As for Jon wanting off the show, I think he wants the kids off too. The first time this came up was when they discussed doing another season, and he made it clear he didn't want to but she absolutely did. I was a little surprised they kept that part in. But I think now he'd be willing to settle for getting himself off the show, and since that would mean no taping on "daddy days" the kids would at least have some normal days each week.

I really don't know how it would work out if Kate continued to do the show with the kids. Would the income from the show continue to pay for the house and household expenses since the kids would stay there all of the time and some of the money technically is theirs? I just don't know. :confused3

And I don't know why Kevin and Jodi aren't saying anything :confused3 maybe Jon's getting along with them better right now than he's been letting on.
 
Ok, I have to admit I've been keeping something from all of you. I had a Kate-moment the other day. :scared1:

My DH stupidly let my DD take her starter earrings out when we were at the trailer (against my advice) and then forgot to bring them with us when we came back to town. Tuesday, I told DH to meet me at the mall to get some new ones -- he didn't. He went shopping on his own and bought some very hideous plastic ones to replace them for double the cost of the original ones at a place where you can't get exchanges or refunds. His excuse was that they were just temporary -- we'll be back at the trailer in just 2 weeks. I just couldn't believe the words that came out of my mouth as soon as I said them: "you are never to go shopping for her by yourself again" :scared1::scared1::scared1:

Of course, I was right. But I still can't believe that I said that.

End of confession. Back to Jon and Kate.

:eek::scared1: Well, it is about time. Everyone has a Kate moment sometime. I have more than my fair share. However, I am better than I used to be. I used to be enough like her that we could have been separated at birth. I've mellowed and hope she does too.

You could be right -- the interview was apparently taped the day he left for Vegas. IMO, if the tabloid articles are correct about Hailey's possessiveness, I think Jon will be the one ending it -- I just don't see him jumping into another relationship where he has to worry about spending time with his friends or his mother. And given all that, how's she going to feel about Jon paying more attention to his kids than to her? BTW, I'd take Stephanie (the one who has a kid and who's willing to pose nude) over Hailey (the one with the gun and the bong) anyday -- so I guess I'm admitting I'm biased. :lmao:

A year from now might be ok, provided it's somebody he's serious about settling down with -- otherwise, there's really no reason for the kids to become involved in the relationship JMHO. But Dr. Laura would say that he should wait for the kids to grow up.

Well, my SIL did this and you know what? As crazy as I thought she was to stay single for 25 years, it really seems to have been the best thing. Most people wouldn't sacrifice their own perceived happiness and giving and getting love for that long. But it certainly worked for her. :) Gotta say, I think it probably is better than our society would say it is.
 
We'll never know which it is..he wants them off or he doesn't. Money wise, I'd guess no. Privacy wise for himself, I'd guess yes. But, if they pull the show, and he doesn't have the money, he won't need the privacy, cause the young chix will no longer be interested in him :lmao:

there is a portion of Jon's interview with ABC that he addresses TLC and the show.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b141849_jon_gosselin_talks_good_morning_america.html

not long after the story originally aired, Jon came back and told E! what he "meant" to say, instead of what he actually said.

At any rate, that part of the interview never aired.
 
Well, my SIL did this and you know what? As crazy as I thought she was to stay single for 25 years, it really seems to have been the best thing. Most people wouldn't sacrifice their own perceived happiness and giving and getting love for that long. But it certainly worked for her. :) Gotta say, I think it probably is better than our society would say it is.

Your SIL is a good woman -- but it must be easier on the parents in some ways too. They don't have to figure out the whole dating thing, making sure the kids get along with the new person, helping the kids get over it if it doesn't work out.

We'll never know which it is..he wants them off or he doesn't. Money wise, I'd guess no. Privacy wise for himself, I'd guess yes. But, if they pull the show, and he doesn't have the money, he won't need the privacy, cause the young chix will no longer be interested in him :lmao:

Soooooo true. :lmao:
 
We'll never know which it is..he wants them off or he doesn't. Money wise, I'd guess no. Privacy wise for himself, I'd guess yes. But, if they pull the show, and he doesn't have the money, he won't need the privacy, cause the young chix will no longer be interested in him :lmao:

quite a pickle, isn't it? :rotfl2:
 
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