Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

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I wonder if the filing on Monday had more to do with him looking for real estate in NYC. What if he was not looking to rent one of those apartments but to buy and she got wind he was about to put an offer in.
 
While I would like to see both of them shut up, if Kate is going to throw out vague accusations with terms such as "forced by Jon's activities over the weekend" - insinuating he did something horrible (as well as continuing to give interviews about other things that should be kept private), then Jon should be allowed to respond.. If he doesn't, then I will have more respect for him - for taking the "high road"..

She may think she's being "smart", but the judge may think otherwise. I'm still waiting to see if they are put under a gag order.
Beyond that, maybe Jon is getting some sound legal advice. I'm thinking that would include a lot of straight talk along these lines: It's time to grow up, make being a caring Dad your priority, don't say anything negative about Kate in public or to the kids, keep your mouth shut--no interviews, and always assume whatever you do you're being photographed (so watch what you do). If Jon did all these things, sincerely, he might end up on the better end of this mess, legally.
 
I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but I don't think anyone on this thread would classify themselves as "haters." There are people who support Kate more than others but the supporters are not "lovers" anymore than those who don't agree with Kate are "haters."

Maybe we could call ourselves Kate "supporters" are Kate "non-supporters". But really, I'd rather not be labeled as either. I think Kate is great at many things but somethings she does annoy me and the same goes for Jon. In fact Jon is much more "annoying" right now. I want to shake him and knock some sense into him right now.
I very much dislike the whole "Team Jon" and "Team Kate" thing as all it does it trivialize matters. I think almost everyone would agree that both X and Y have poured gas on the situation, at different times and in different ways, that's brought them to where they are today. To me, Kate's treatment (as seen as an outside "observer") of Jon poured gas on their marriage, and though I understand Jon's desire to "do something" about it, I think the methods and behaviors he's used in response are frequently inappropriate. There isn't a singular cause, nor a single guilty party.

And one more criticism of Jon I'll throw out... While I understand his desire to wind the show down and get back to a "normal life", I'm not sympathetic towards his complaints about the Paparazzi. Jon didn't become a "Pap" 7x24 target until a couple of months ago when he decided to start hanging out at a bar at 2 AM with a woman other than his wife and then was seen departing with her. Sorry pal, you own that problem, and have subjected your family to the same Pap hassles because of it.
 
Which was followed by the "lecture" about the "use of a dictionary" and "enlightening" others.. It was beaten to death pages ago.. How many times does it need to be repeated? It's one word.. People feel differently about it - just as they do many words.. We're discussing the Jon & Kate show - not sitting in a classroom asking for instructions on how we should be "allowed" to use various words..:sad2:

Kate mentioned - way back then - that their marriage was close to crumbling at times.. Why didn't she and Jon stop the show after the first season or two - knowing that they were already having problems - and devote their time and energy to saving their marriage and providing a loving, stable environment for their children??

While I would like to see both of them shut up, if Kate is going to throw out vague accusations with terms such as "forced by Jon's activities over the weekend" - insinuating he did something horrible (as well as continuing to give interviews about other things that should be kept private), then Jon should be allowed to respond.. If he doesn't, then I will have more respect for him - for taking the "high road"..

Yes but you were the one who was outraged that people were even using the word 'hate'. Nobody said who can and can't use it but rather defined what it meant. You took it to mean something quite drastic I believe, like running down someone with your car.

The high road? Does that include 23 year old girlfriends when you're still married? Jon certainly didn't earn my respect with that one.

You also say that J&K should have provided them with a loving, stable environment. Do you live with them? How do you know they're not loved or are living in an unstable environment? If you mean because J&K fought around the kids then I'm sure lots of us parents are guilty, myself included. I think both J&K love their kids, I've never doubted that.
 

How could Katie Irene prove they have not been living as man and wife for two years if they renewed their vows last fall? When was that trip to Hawaii? She checked both boxes hoping not to have to wait two years if Jon contests I think. How could she ever prove the two year thing when everything's on tape?

I believe on the Today show whoever it was stated that Kate said while they were not living physically apart, they had been living separate lives for a few years. Someone correct me if that's wrong. I don't see much difference, really. I had thought that checking the box on the form means the clock starts ticking from that point in case the broken marriage option is contested; not to count back two years. I guess I still really don't understand it very well.

So in any case, the problems didn't start in February with Jon hanging out in bars. That may have been when the general public found out, but apparently it's been going on a long time, maybe years!
 
it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

Not necessarily -- and Pennsylvania's laws are so convoluted, that anyone can end up filing. My ex left, and was going to be the one to file. But by the time our two year waiting period was up, I was so tired of being in limbo, I filed and paid the expense.

Edie
 
I recall reading somewhere that Jon was looking at an apartment in NYC over the weekend maybe that's what Kate was talking about in terms of protecting the kids. She feel that Jon is about to start spending some of their money and she doesn't want him to.
 
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I'm sorry but to me the whole Kate filing on Monday was all to get attention. Saying that she had no choice but to do it on Monday due to Jon's actions over the weekend was to play the victim and to get people on "her side". The fact that she was the first one to file to me speaks volumes. If she truly was so upset when Jon told her he had a lawyer and she should get one too I don't think she would have been the first to file for divorce. You would think if she was crying for half a day she would fight for her marriage not rush to beat him in filing. Also it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

Hey actions speak pretty loud! And here is comes...the cutting out of Jon from the kids lives...mark my words. She has stated that SHE did not want to do this, never would have done this on her own but Jon forced her (and now due to activities that have been alluded to, that may harm the children), and how the kids love their dad but he is changing before their eyes. I sure the kids will be told this over and over and they will believe what she says about him. It's written it print, that she never would have gotten a divorece yet SHE filed. I can't believe she will be amicable for the kids sake, and she has not started out that way, 2 days after the divorce is filed. Jon is on his way out and she will poison the kids about him. It follows the pattern.

Well, maybe Mady won't be turned.
 
I think we need to be really careful not to read too much into the legal documents and filings. Much of the box-checking and the timing of filings has nothing to do with the details of the relationship and everything to do with gaining a legal advantage in the procedings.

ETA - for example - by Kate filing first, she was able to control the county where the proceedings would be held - and she chose a county where the pleadings were not a matter of public record.
 
I'm sorry but to me the whole Kate filing on Monday was all to get attention. Saying that she had no choice but to do it on Monday due to Jon's actions over the weekend was to play the victim and to get people on "her side". The fact that she was the first one to file to me speaks volumes. If she truly was so upset when Jon told her he had a lawyer and she should get one too I don't think she would have been the first to file for divorce. You would think if she was crying for half a day she would fight for her marriage not rush to beat him in filing. Also it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

I think many Dis'ers would tell Kate the same thing. When I read posts of women suspicous of their maybe cheating husbands the first thing Dis'ers would advise is to get their assets taken care of.
 
I think many Dis'ers would tell Kate the same thing. When I read posts of women suspicous of their maybe cheating husbands the first thing Dis'ers would advise is to get their assets taken care of.

That is excellent advice. It seems people are overlooking just what Jon did. He carried on an affair for months with a young 23 year old. He took her on a trip to Utah on his wife's b-day. This girl made a sex tape with her ex-boyfriend and has a brother with a criminal record. Hello? Even if she and Jon are only 'friends' (I don't believe so) is this the type of people you'd want your DH hanging out with? Or around your kids? Kate is being smart if you ask me. Jon wanted out, didn't want to go to counseling with her and is excited about this new chapter in his life. Sure sounds to me like he's ready to move on with his life. Didn't he buy that sports car without even discussing it with Kate? He obviously doesn't mind spending the money he seems to resent Kate for making. If I were Kate, that would make me very nervous. Plus why is he looking at NYC apartments? If my Dad moved out of state after he divorced my Mom, I'd think he didn't want to be around too much. Jon is exhibiting the behavior of a mid-life crisis father who wants to re-live his 20's. He's acting immature and I'm guessing that we'll be seeing him with his new girlfriend soon.
 
I'm sorry but to me the whole Kate filing on Monday was all to get attention. Saying that she had no choice but to do it on Monday due to Jon's actions over the weekend was to play the victim and to get people on "her side". The fact that she was the first one to file to me speaks volumes. If she truly was so upset when Jon told her he had a lawyer and she should get one too I don't think she would have been the first to file for divorce. You would think if she was crying for half a day she would fight for her marriage not rush to beat him in filing. Also it been my experience that the person who files first is usually the one who asks for the divorce.

I think it had more to do with finding out that the "girlfriend" might get paid by TLC.........
 
That is excellent advice. It seems people are overlooking just what Jon did. He carried on an affair for months with a young 23 year old. He took her on a trip to Utah on his wife's b-day. This girl made a sex tape with her ex-boyfriend and has a brother with a criminal record. Hello? Even if she and Jon are only 'friends' (I don't believe so) is this the type of people you'd want your DH hanging out with? Or around your kids? Kate is being smart if you ask me. Jon wanted out, didn't want to go to counseling with her and is excited about this new chapter in his life. Sure sounds to me like he's ready to move on with his life. Didn't he buy that sports car without even discussing it with Kate? He obviously doesn't mind spending the money he seems to resent Kate for making. If I were Kate, that would make me very nervous. Plus why is he looking at NYC apartments? If my Dad moved out of state after he divorced my Mom, I'd think he didn't want to be around too much. Jon is exhibiting the behavior of a mid-life crisis father who wants to re-live his 20's. He's acting immature and I'm guessing that we'll be seeing him with his new girlfriend soon.


:thumbsup2 Couldn't agree more.
 
First thought this divorce is going to get ugly.

When I first read and saw the papers filed for divorce they were marked as sealed. There was also mention that nobody was going to get a look at them.

Then the AP got a look,made me go hmmm??
Then the announce of the 2 year thingy.
Quickly TMZ is reporting that it was a misunderstanding Kate checked it to cover all her bases to get the ball rolling in case Jon contested.

This is what I am thinking, Kate thought the papers were sealed and that the check was done because they have not been living as man and wife for two years. Nobody would find out they had not been living husband and wife because they were sealed. Then, when AP printed the "check mark" it was damage control mode because they knew peopled were going to be very angry that they had been duped for the last 2 years.

Also, if Kate said in the interview with People that Jon asked for a divorce and this interview was done Thursday, why on earth would she think he was going to contest it.
Finally I can't imagine a lawyer telling a client to check something that is not true to cover there behinds. I think Kate checked it and it was because for the last 2 years they were just roommates.

Like I said this is going to get ugly, it already has. The lawyers will be very happy $$. Maybe they will not even be able to film in August if things keep going down hill with regards to how they are treating each other the divorce judge might step in and put a hault to it all. especially if he has concern for the well being of the kids and how this wil effect them. I am not familar with divorce but I do think kids the court has some responsibliity to their welfare ?:confused3 Hope that all makes some sense.
 
I think it had more to do with finding out that the "girlfriend" might get paid by TLC.........

I don't think this tidbit is true it's so beyond ridiculous, but that one article a few pages back said something like since Deanna was part of their lives now she will be filmed for the show. So I'm thinking that would reaffirm that if you are NOT on the show, you are not a part of J&K's life (like Beth).
 
Hey actions speak pretty loud! And here is comes...the cutting out of Jon from the kids lives...mark my words. She has stated that SHE did not want to do this, never would have done this on her own but Jon forced her (and now due to activities that have been alluded to, that may harm the children), and how the kids love their dad but he is changing before their eyes. I sure the kids will be told this over and over and they will believe what she says about him. It's written it print, that she never would have gotten a divorece yet SHE filed. I can't believe she will be amicable for the kids sake, and she has not started out that way, 2 days after the divorce is filed. Jon is on his way out and she will poison the kids about him. It follows the pattern.

Well, maybe Mady won't be turned.

Who's the one looking into apartments out of state??? Honestly, I can't remember with all the posts if this has turned out to be fact or still just a rumor, but if Jon does end up moving out of state, how are ppl. going to blame Kate for that? As far as Kate cutting Jon out of the kids lives, first I would certainly hope that she wouldn't want to, but even if she did, she doesn't get that power, that's what courts and judges are for. Don't get me wrong, if she really wants to be a PIA and not think about her kids, yes she could make the whole situation very crappy, but no she alone isn't capable of cutting Jon out of the kids lives...again Jon would be just as responsible. Does no one see him as an equal adult??? If Kate tries to deny him visitation; his responsibility as a father is to fight that to make sure that doesn't happen, and again Kate's not the judge in that situation.
 
I don't think this tidbit is true it's so beyond ridiculous, but that one article a few pages back said something like since Deanna was part of their lives now she will be filmed for the show. So I'm thinking that would reaffirm that if you are NOT on the show, you are not a part of J&K's life (like Beth).

I think Jon will have another child. I know it sounds crazy but I'm just saying......
 
This may be long so I apologize up front. I also wanted to put the caveat out there that I'm not trying to change opinions as I think a majority of us already have our views about this entire situation. With that being said.....

It was extremely hard for me to watch Monday's episode near the end. I truly felt a sense of sadness. My DH also watched it as he has caught some of the episodes through the year.

We both have always thought it was amusing to watch the two interact with each other especially in earlier episodes. While Kate was more upfront about her bickering/bossiness - don't be fooled into thinking Jon was just a victim - Jon got quite a few sly ones in himself. I think this bantering with each other was nothing more than normal husband/wife venting/bickering.

I truly believe in the early days - even up until the last year or so - they really did love each other. You can see the genuine smiles as they interacted with the kids AND each other.

I'm not quite sure where they got off track. Both are most certainly to blame for things through the years BUT in regards to the most recent issues of the last 6-7 months it seems that Jon checked out awhile ago. It seemed even more obvious as he was giving his interview this past Monday. I asked my DH what he thought about the episode and he blatantly said "Jon needs to grow up". "I'm only 32 years old" and "Excited" in addition with the newly pierced ears really threw me for a loop. He apparently feels robbed of his youth and now is having a mid-life crisis (kind of early in my opinion).

I found it "pathetic" to say he is now standing up on his own two feet and basically isn't going to take it anymore (Think KISS "We're not going to take it"). I'd bet the farm that Kate was bossy/control freak when they first dated/got married and most likely got exaggerated as the show/years progressed. That's her problem to work on and should have been addressed fairly soon as it got "to much" for Jon so as to nip it in the butt. However, I don't think the behavior Jon is exhibiting these past months is something that was present when they first dated/got married. You can't be one way in a relationship for 9 or so years and then suddenly do a 180 and expect it to be ok.

In my opinion Jon did not handle the last several months very well. I think he made a decision awhile ago about getting out. In his mind, it wasn't worth the effort to do counseling or salvage what they had left. Since his "love" was gone for Kate he started to act more like a non-married person.

Flame time...
I believe someone said they understood why Mady is the way she is - there is nothing wrong with Mady. I think she is a completely well balanced child who likes to pout when she doesn't get her way - which I have rarely seen Jon or Kate give in to her way when acts that way. If the response she gave was correct after being told that her parents were divorcing she is a pretty well adjusted child. Cara on the other hand is going to have alot of issues with this - she's somewhat a daddy's girl as they had more in common (sports, skiing, etc.). This is going to be a very tough road for her.

While the older girls will have memories of a closer family at one point in their lives the younger ones will probably have less of those memories/images. When you grow up with your parents always apart, or at least during the years you can remember, then its not a huge adjustment as you get older. I think the younger ones will also be fine.

I think some people are being a bit hard on Kate for going to the press or speaking out. I'm sure she feels very scorned by Jon and I think she would rather have at least tried to go to counseling or work on it rather then him changing into a new person and shutting down. It's human nature that when you feel attacked or wronged to defend yourself and I think that is what she is doing. She's hurt because she hadn't already made up her mind to get out, at least yet. I'm not saying its right by any means but I can completely understand where she is coming from.

Where I am coming from....
I'm from a "broken" home. But I remember the pre-divorce era and the post-divorce era. My parents were married for 17 years and got divorced when I was 14, my sister 13 and my brother 6. I saw my mother check out of the marriage long before my father even knew. By the time she told him, it was to late and she was "excited" about her new life. Don't get me wrong - they were both at fault for the problems in their marriage and neither are blameless.

Let's pray this does not turn into an ugly battle. Luckily Mady and Cara are to young to be pulled into court, or at least any reasonable Judge won't want to pull them into court for any questioning, etc.

Now that I have written my book...:)
 
I think many Dis'ers would tell Kate the same thing. When I read posts of women suspicous of their maybe cheating husbands the first thing Dis'ers would advise is to get their assets taken care of.

When I read this I think " well if it was a male dis'er posted .........
And how do we know Kate didn't ........
It is immpossible to know who did what with whom and it will just keep going in the same circle. I do not think at this point anybody is going to change their opinions unless some major evidence about jon or kate is brought forward. At least I am not :)
 
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