Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[DMRick]

Absolutely right (OMG am I agreeing with you LOL?)..that's how I feel today, and my feelings about each of them could change by tomorrow!

I very much dislike the whole "Team Jon" and "Team Kate" thing as all it does it trivialize matters. I think almost everyone would agree that both X and Y have poured gas on the situation, at different times and in different ways, that's brought them to where they are today. To me, Kate's behavior (as seen as an outside "observer") of Jon poured gas on their marriage, and though I understand Jon's desire to "do something" about it, I think the methods and behaviors he's used in response are frequently inappropriate. There isn't a singular cause, nor a single guilty party.

And one more criticism of Jon I'll throw out... While I understand his desire to wind the show down and get back to a "normal life", I'm not sympathetic towards his complaints about the Paparazzi. Jon didn't become a "Pap" 7x24 target until a couple of months ago when he decided to start hanging out at a bar at 2 AM with a woman other than his wife and then was seen departing with her. Sorry pal, you own that problem, and have subjected your family to the same Pap hassles because of it.

 

[Epcot luvr]

Can someone please post or sum up the blindgossip link. I really hate that they expect me to work during the day and block those darn sites!! Come on, it's not like I would really spend my day reading non-essential websites, would I??

OK, Madge is at the pool. Here is one there are 3. DISCLAIMER: Iwhatever I am suppose to say in a discalimer. BlindGossip - Boy is he angry that she beat him to the punch in filing for divorce! The divorce was his idea more than a year ago. He wanted out, but she convinced him to keep pretending so the cameras would keep rolling on and the money would keep rolling in. She compromised by allowing him lots of room for an outside social life and allowing him to buy some toys. So all this shock for the cameras about his being caught with another woman and about the separation? Totally fake. She is just shocked that she didn’t have it all under control. When she realized that she didn’t, she made a preemptive strike with the divorce filing.

 

[Epcot luvr]

Bling gossip three, per request, don't flame me I am just posting to help a Dis'er out. BlindGossip - Although she has no discernable talent, this woman is absolutely convinced that she is a star whose popularity extends far beyond her current venture. She could not stir up any interest in a line of hair products named for her, but she is now in talks for a book and a talk show. The book will definitely happen. The talk show, however, is a tough sell. Her Performer Q shows high popularity but low likeability. Would other moms really want to take advice on child-rearing from her?

 

[Epcot luvr]

Blind Gossip last item. BG12345: Duck Duck Truth 1
BlindGossip - Her look has changed considerably over the past few years, including her hair and more than one plastic surgery. However, she had her husband convinced that if he changed his appearance, he wouldn’t project the wholesome family image the producers wanted. A key turning point in their relationship was the day he got the piercings. Once that happened, she knew she couldn’t control him anymore. Oh, you thought we were talking about ears? Think lower. Ouch.

 

[C.Ann]

C.Ann, I think you only look at links where it comes from Jon or Kate? I may be wrong, check out the one posted by Madge from Blind Gossip.

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That's true - I only believe something when I see Kate or Jon's lips moving and "maybe" a semi-reliable publication such as People magazine.. I don't click on the other links - unless I'm under the impression that it is Jon or Kate speaking - nor do I click on the photo links.. To me it's likely that it's all nothing more than "gossip"; "hearsay"; "sources say"; or someone who is being accused of stating something simply for their "15 minutes of fame" (or because they have been paid to speak out)..

If posters here post something that was on the show - and I respect those posters and have reason to believe that they are stating it just as it was said, I will take it for face value..

I know that Madge works hard to provide everyone with info (and yes, I do respect you, Madge), but if the link appears to be from a non-reliable source, I don't look at it..

There's just waaaaay too much info out there to try to figure out what is the truth and what are lies and/or exaggerations, assumptions, etc.. I can barely keep up with what I read right here!!

 

[DMRick]

Wishful thinking? If Kate said it enough Jon would believe her? How come we all saw it coming but she didn't?

I think it is the vow renewal that has me so mad at them. WHY would you tell your children that you are going to show them that mommy and daddy are always going to be together and that they would be there to experience it with them and everything that was said and done in front of those kids. When they are older they are going to know that their parents lied to them, it is on video. They told them they would always be together and in 6 months they were seperated saying that they had been living seperate lives for years. It breaks my heart. I could not imagine putting my kids through that. As a child I would be more upset over the lie they told us and showed us then I would be about my parents just deciding to seperate. It is just sick.

 

[MichelleVW]

I think it is the vow renewal that has me so mad at them. WHY would you tell your children that you are going to show them that mommy and daddy are always going to be together and that they would be there to experience it with them and everything that was said and done in front of those kids. When they are older they are going to know that their parents lied to them, it is on video. They told them they would always be together and in 6 months they were seperated saying that they had been living seperate lives for years. It breaks my heart. I could not imagine putting my kids through that. As a child I would be more upset over the lie they told us and showed us then I would be about my parents just deciding to seperate. It is just sick.

Yep...that's what bothers me....poor kids..

 

[Mom2Nick]

Wishful thinking? If Kate said it enough Jon would believe her? How come we all saw it coming but she didn't?

Honestly this IMO is where her arrogance comes into play. I think she honetsly thought that he wouldn't ever leave her.

 

[DMRick]

Oh just knock it off. I was 'talking' with someone else who brought up the word. Nothing at all to do with you. You brought it to another thread..not me.
Why do you have to keep making this personal? Don't respond when I discuss with someone else if you don't like what I have to say. It's that simple.

I am not debating this again.. I do not need an education in what the definition is "per the dictionary" - nor do I need to be told to "enlighten" others as to what that definition is.. I don't think others on this thread require a definition from the "dictionary" either - yet it had to be clarified again by the same person.. Why was that? I wasn't even on this thread when the second round of "educating" people occured.. Actually I thought the educator had moved on from that need.. Obviously I was wrong.. I've said the last I have to say on this matter.. If the drivel continues, so be it.. The closing of this thread is not going to be laid on my feet.. All further comments and responses on this matter will be ignored by me from this point on so this thread doesn't end up closed..
If that is more important than being "right", perhaps others will follow suit..

How's this? I am "Team Kids" - always have been, always will be.. And now it's back to defending what I see as the most important aspect of this thread - 8 little children..

 

[madge]

There's just waaaaay too much info out there to try to figure out what is the truth and what are lies and/or exaggerations, assumptions, etc.. I can barely keep up with what I read right here!! [/B][/COLOR]

I totally agree. And I've been a slacker the last few days .. someone else has been the main source of the links.

there is SO much out there... articles from magazines/tabloids/news sources, entertainment bloggers connected to the media, and then there are all the other zillion blogs written by fans or anti-fans of the show. It's crazy. It really is. There's no way that all of it is true, even if the source of information is the same... which is often the case.

If you google Jon Gosselin, and check on news, filtered by the last day .. there are over 6,000 links.
http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=jon+gosselin&as_qdr=d&as_drrb=q&cf=all

 

[Mom2Nick]

Also in my skimming I seem to recall some comment from Kate about the kids having some sort of "dysfunction" as a result of the divorce. That just irritates me. Kids can get through a divorce just fine and dandy if mommy and daddy handle it with grace, love and respect.

Thise kids are going to be dysfunctional because of their parents, their poor choices, their mud slinging and because their entire lives are broadcast for all to see. The actual divorce itself is not doing them harm.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Blind Gossip last item. BG12345: Duck Duck Truth 1
BlindGossip - Her look has changed considerably over the past few years, including her hair and more than one plastic surgery. However, she had her husband convinced that if he changed his appearance, he wouldn’t project the wholesome family image the producers wanted. A key turning point in their relationship was the day he got the piercings. Once that happened, she knew she couldn’t control him anymore. Oh, you thought we were talking about ears? Think lower. Ouch.

OMG!!!

Thank you for posting that Epcot luvr!

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Also in my skimming I seem to recall some comment from Kate about the kids having some sort of "dysfunction" as a result of the divorce. That just irritates me. Kids can get through a divorce just fine and dandy if mommy and daddy handle it with grace, love and respect.

Thise kids are going to be dysfunctional because of their parents, their poor choices, their mud slinging and because their entire lives are broadcast for all to see. The actual divorce itself is not doing them harm.

Maybe she's just acknowledging her poor parenting skills.

 

[DMRick]

OMG!!!

Thank you for posting that Epcot luvr!

Let's just hope no one finds a way to share that with us!!

 

[C.Ann]

I totally agree. And I've been a slacker the last few days .. someone else has been the main source of the links.

there is SO much out there... articles from magazines/tabloids/news sources, entertainment bloggers connected to the media, and then there are all the other zillion blogs written by fans or anti-fans of the show. It's crazy. It really is. There's no way that all of it is true, even if the source of information is the same... which is often the case.

If you google Jon Gosselin, and check on news, filtered by the last day .. there are over 6,000 links.
http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=jon+gosselin&as_qdr=d&as_drrb=q&cf=all

Good grief!! Have they taken over the entire world of the internet?? That's insane!

 

[Grumpy's Gal]

I thought the same thing, OMG, I did not post because i thought I did not even want to deal with the flames.

I TOTALLY think it will happen. And you don't think that will cause more problems between jon & kate?

Picture this: he will get a girlfriend pg and then Kate won't want him to bring the new child over to "her" kids' house. I can see it now......

I also think if a girl is wanting to date him, he better be practicing birth control and not relying on her to.............she may want to get pg on purpose! ($$$)

 

[Maggimus]

I hope no one particularly takes offense to this... but..

I am so sick of people posting that they aren't going to watch this "train wreck" anymore (yet they continue to post about gossip stories, etc). LOL You are only supporting the phenomenon.... as long as there is something to talk about-- and threads like this continue (which I don't mind a bit-- ill be watching the show too).... then the paparazzi have a reason to keep up with both Jon & Kate. Some of you wish the paparazzi would leave them alone-- but i find a ton of paparazzi photos here (and i don't mind seeing them either). If you are so anti this family being in the limelight... so anti the show, anti TLC... why not just move on from threads like this, send a little prayer their way, and let it be!?

As long as people are talking... there will certainly be cameras in their faces. Why? Because inquiring minds want to know... (even if you say you don't). If you weren't interested in this "train wreck"... you wouldnt be spending so much time reading through pages and pages of J&K gossip. Hence.... giving those reporters something to report about.

For the record, I will continue to watch the show... and im not saying I wont tune into the drama.

 

[Mermaid02]

I TOTALLY think it will happen. And you don't think that will cause more problems between jon & kate?

Picture this: he will get a girlfriend pg and then Kate won't want him to bring the new child over to "her" kids' house. I can see it now......

I also think if a girl is wanting to date him, he better be practicing birth control and not relying on her to.............she may want to get pg on purpose! ($$$)

I thought that too- I can see Jon making himself a whole new family- a smaller family- but a new one.

He ought to go get snipped IF he doesn't want to have more kids.

 

[C.Ann]

I hope no one particularly takes offense to this... but..

I am so sick of people posting that they aren't going to watch this "train wreck" anymore (yet they continue to post about gossip stories, etc). LOL You are only supporting the phenomenon.... as long as there is something to talk about-- and threads like this continue (which I don't mind a bit-- ill be watching the show too).... then the paparazzi have a reason to keep up with both Jon & Kate. Some of you wish the paparazzi would leave them alone-- but i find a ton of paparazzi photos here (and i don't mind seeing them either). If you are so anti this family being in the limelight... so anti the show, anti TLC... why not just move on from threads like this, send a little prayer their way, and let it be!?

As long as people are talking... there will certainly be cameras in their faces. Why? Because inquiring minds want to know... (even if you say you don't). If you weren't interested in this "train wreck"... you wouldnt be spending so much time reading through pages and pages of J&K gossip. Hence.... giving those reporters something to report about.

For the record, I will continue to watch the show... and im not saying I wont tune into the drama.

I can completely understand your point of view - but as a person who does not watch the show and does not click on any of the links (unless I'm led to believe it's Jon & Kate actually speaking or have given an interview to a reliable source) this is the only place I read and/or post because I am waiting for the day that I come on here and see that it has been confirmed that the show has been cancelled permanently..When that happens, I'll be gone.. I don't care what happens with Jon & Kate - they are adults.. I care about the kids and it's my opinion that they have been terribly exploited by this show.. When it ends, I'll go off into the sunset (in terms of this thread) and pray with all of my heart that those 8 kids can somehow go on to live a life of privacy - with as little additional damage as possible..

Again - just "my" opinion - which I'm sure not everyone will agree with..

 

[daughtersrus]

. Didn't he buy that sports car without even discussing it with Kate? He obviously doesn't mind spending the money he seems to resent Kate for making.

Didn't Kate just go out and buy a new SUV? Do you think that she discussed the purchase with Jon before hand?

Don't forget that Kate isn't the only one making the money in this family. Besides, she spends her fair share at the spa, tanning, clothes, trips... Do we know whether or not they have separate bank accounts?

It really is a two-way street.