Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[DreaGirl]

Jon declared himself a Christian on the show. A Christian husband puts his wife's needs above his own. He is to love her as Christ loved the church. It is a biblical concept that comes with the territory of being a Christian husband. Putting your own wants and needs first is selfish and unchristian. However, if jon had not subscribed to Christianity, I'd see that part less important about who he was saying he was. Of course, there are good hisbands out there who aren't selfish who do better than a lot of proclaimed christians anyway.

Isn't this true of the wife also? What did Kate give up in order to make Jon happy or their marriage stronger?

 

[madge]

Recently Jon has been criticized more as people begin to see what Kate has had to deal with.

or in some cases, criticized simply because he's acting like an immature bonehead.

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

or in some cases, criticized simply because he's acting like an immature bonehead.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[DreaGirl]

or in some cases, criticized simply because he's acting like an immature bonehead.

I think we can all agree on this one.

 

[madge]

I think this just depends on what side of the fence you are on. You usually notice the postings which have opposite views than your own. I even stated several times how I felt ganged up on because I wasn't a Kate supporter. In my eyes, this thread has mostly been pro-Kate but I know that others see it as bash Kate thread. It's all in your perspective.

exactly.

 

[happygirl]

Isn't this true of the wife also? What did Kate give up in order to make Jon happy or their marriage stronger?

She gave up here nursing job so he could still work. It's really hard to say because we don't see them 24/7

 

[mousey]

OK. I just thought you may have picked up on something specific that I did not.



Uh, you mean during the divorce or while they were married? Sounds like you mean while married and that is just absurd. Hopefully you meant now, while they are going through the divorce.

And I'm sorry your aunt raised such a large family with a selfish sounding man who put his wants in front of hers and kids.
Are you inferring that since your aunt did it, so should Kate? Or that anyone should and can? Not sure where that one is going.
Jon declared himself a Christian on the show. A Christian husband puts his wife's needs above his own. He is to love her as Christ loved the church. It is a biblical concept that comes with the territory of being a Christian husband. Putting your own wants and needs first is selfish and unchristian. However, if jon had not subscribed to Christianity, I'd see that part less important about who he was saying he was. Of course, there are good hisbands out there who aren't selfish who do better than a lot of proclaimed christians anyway.

I meant now as they are going through the divorce. I guess I'm inferring that other people are going through or have gone through problems and divorce and survived. Jon & Kate are lucky they have the extra "help" to allow them to continue their "lifestyles" without the burden of home repairs, housekeeping, cooking, babysitting, etc.......

 

[Mom2Nick]

Jon declared himself a Christian on the show. A Christian husband puts his wife's needs above his own. He is to love her as Christ loved the church. It is a biblical concept that comes with the territory of being a Christian husband. Putting your own wants and needs first is selfish and unchristian. However, if jon had not subscribed to Christianity, I'd see that part less important about who he was saying he was. Of course, there are good hisbands out there who aren't selfish who do better than a lot of proclaimed christians anyway.

Does a Christian wife put her needs above all others? Does a Christian wife publically bash and humiliate her husband? Does a Christian wife nag at her husband for breathing too loudly or not doing things they way SHE wants? Does a Christian wife get to disregard her husbands unhappiness simply because she happens to be happy herself?

They are both poor examples of how a Christian couple shoud behave.

 

[happygirl]

Does a Christian wife put her needs above all others? Does a Christian wife publically bash and humiliate her husband? Does a Christian wife nag at her husband for breathing too loudly or not doing things they way SHE wants? Does a Christian wife get to disregard her husbands unhappiness simply because she happens to be happy herself?

They are both poor examples of how a Christian couple shoud behave.

you are making a lot of assumptions. How do you know how he feels.

 

[Mom2Nick]

you are making a lot of assumptions. How do you know how he feels.

What assumptions am I making?

 

[happygirl]

What assumptions am I making?

That he was humliated. You can't make assumptions about how Christian act. WE aren't prefect. Even Christian make mistakes

 

[Mom2Nick]

That he was humliated. You can't make assumptions about how Christian act. WE aren't prefect. Even Christian make mistakes

He has stated himself on the show that she has humiliated him. It's not an assumption.

My comment was in regard to the other poster that was commenting on Jon's Christianity and I was pointing out Kate's faults in that area as well.

 

[happygirl]

He has stated himself on the show that she has humiliated him. It's not an assumption.

My comment was in regard to the other poster that was commenting on Jon's Christianity and I was pointing out Kate's faults in that area as well.

I never saw that I guess

 

[madge]

Ok, he doesn't like staying at home with the kids. Fine. When Kate comes off the book tour then go get yourself a job and go to work everyday. You go to work, you come home and you take care of your 8 kids. That means bathing, feeding, homework, lessons, games, whatever.

But Jon did that. A LOT... at least, that's what TLC led us to believe was reality. He was shown as the parent who bathed the kids, got them up in the morning, played with them outside, etc. AND for some of that time, he worked outside of the home.

That is what parents do. And when you have free time, you can ride your motorycle and play some. But you do NOT go out and hang with young women and co-eds and party. That is not what dads do. that is not what real, responsible men do.

agreed. 100%

Somehow, Jon didn't learn this life lesson. Once you are a dad and a husband, you do not "do your own thing". You have a family that depends on you for big things and little things. The daily grind. You crash at night and get up and do the same thing all over again. Is it always exciting? Heck no. Is it always fun? Heck no. Do we sometimes get bogged down by the monotany of it all? Heck yes. But it is called being a responsible parent/spouse.

you mean things like running errands with your daughter?
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At least when Kate was on the book tour she has a purpose for her absence. Jon's absences have been out having fun with young women (Utah and St Tropez).

Agree with the Utah trip.

But, St. Tropez trip was taken on Jon's off parenting days ... and it was allegedly a work trip. He's separated from his wife and he's trying to get a job .. granted, he lived it up while he was there, with a horrendous choice of a companion .. but, the fact is it's a business trip on his off parenting days. Kate went to California last week for a business trip on her off days. I have a feeling we'll see a lot of that, now. from both of them.

I'm not saying Jon should not have any fun. We all should have some fun. But Jon was given trips, "field trips" and lots of fun by TLC itself. Most people do not get those types of opportunities. He really had no idea of how good he had it IMHO.

that's been said about both Jon and Kate many, many times in the last several months.

 

[kidshop]

you are making a lot of assumptions. How do you know how he feels.

How would you feel if on national TV your wife belittled you and screamed at you in public, hit you in the face and told your kids not to listen to you? It's all on tape and last season it became perfectly clear how Jon felt about Kate. Name one time she treated him with kindness, love and respect that was filmed. Name one time she treated anyone kindly and with respect....

 

[Hollywoodhaha]

I believe that from the above comments we should stop talking about religion before this gets closed..

 

[happygirl]

How would you feel if on national TV your wife belittled you and screamed at you in public, hit you in the face and told your kids not to listen to you? It's all on tape and last season it became perfectly clear how Jon felt about Kate. Name one time she treated him with kindness, love and respect that was filmed. Name one time she treated anyone kindly and with respect....

I don't have a wife LOL

I saw alot. There were many times on the interviewing couch they were flirting and love dovey. I think we all can agree that we have seen why Kate had to be the control force in that family. Jon isn't very responsible. I'm a Kate supporter so I can name lots of people who she was kind to.

You are a Kate hater it's on in perspective.

I never saw her hit Jon in the face LOL. I have love slap my hubby all the time.

 

[madge]

you are making a lot of assumptions. How do you know how he feels.

Jon shared, more than once, that he didn't like how Kate treated him ... one episode that come to mind is the Toys R Us show. But there were others.

Jon and Kate BOTH were very good at giving as well as they got.

 

[madge]

I believe that from the above comments we should stop talking about religion before this gets closed..

agreed!!!

 

[mickeyboat]

Jon and Kate BOTH were very good at giving as well as they got.

ITA. Kate was a lot more aggressive with her Jon bashing, and Jon was a lot more passive - eye rolls, shrugging shoulders, etc.