Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[WaltD4Me]

Exactly one that no longer lives under the iron fist of Kate.

It's about time he had some happiness & he lived life for John not the wants of Kate.

Maybe so, but the problem is that it seems that for Jon, happiness is a carefree life without children and he can't have that anymore. Yes, maybe when he is with the kids he is a GREAT dad, but how he acts when he isn't with the kids counts too. Taking into consideration who will be around his kids matters. Thinking about pictures the kids will surely see...matters. Well, apparently it doesn't matter to Jon, but you know what I mean.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I learned a long time ago that this thread was the man haters club

Far from it.

This thread has always had many more people criticizing Kate than anything. Recently Jon has been criticized more as people begin to see what Kate has had to deal with.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Far from it.

This thread has always had many more people criticizing Kate than anything. Recently Jon has been criticized more as people begin to see what Kate has had to deal with.

Because of the photos media has been providing to you?

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

Because of the photos media has been providing to you?

Jon doesn't seem too bothered about posing for them. In case you didn't notice, it was Jon who willingly gave the interview to People.

The paps aren't working that hard to get these photos.

 

[Buckalew11]

I agree with this, especially the bolded part. I've always felt like Kate runs things more like a daycare, with seating assignments, bib assignments, etc.

If they haven't sold their previous house yet, it seems like Jon would move there. It's familiar to the kids. And if they wanted to keep supplies at both houses, it wouldn't be that hard, they do have the money. (clothes, toothbrushes, shoes, toys, etc.)

I think with 8 kids and organization you have to have order. Of course, I only had one child and I ran an equally type ship.
I'm just not one who can stand chaos parenting.

 

[MichelleVW]

Not seeking sympathy. Just stating my thought & opinions.
I learned a long time ago that this thread was the man haters club

Of course I care for the children. I am also one of the few that believe Kate treating anyone the way she did around her children is teaching them that it is acceptable to be just as brutal as she is.

This show needs to be off the air to save these kids.

I think you have been reading a different thread because this thread has never been a man hater thread.

Because of the photos media has been providing to you?

Hmm...pics of him holding hands and smoking with his skanky girlfriend in France....not sure what else we can get from that other than he is a loser.

 

[DreaGirl]

IMO I think Jon tried to work it out with Kate long before it was apparent to the rest of us. Kate said in an interview that things had been bad for a long time (6 months?) and that she had tried to "fix" him. Jon had said that he didn't like not having a purpose and didn't enjoy being at home with the kids all the time. So Kate tried to "fix it" and got nannies, suggested jobs, etc. What she didn't do was take a break from her book tour and try to "fix" her marriage, she was having the time of her life living the life she wanted to live and if Jon wasn't onboard, then oh well.

After a while I think that Jon was probably just fed up and knew that he didn't want to be fixed and what he wanted he wasn't going to get. Then Kate went to the press to tell her side and the saga began.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jon is a total tool now. It looks like he is having a midlife crisis and it is all playing out in the press.

Although if you will remember Kate said the kids don't see or hear about the magazines so if this holds true (which I thought was a bunch of bull when she said it) then they wouldn't know a thing about the girlfriend.

I can't say too much about the age difference because my Dad is 9.5 years older than my Mom.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I learned a long time ago that this thread was the man haters club

This show needs to be off the air to save these kids.

I don't consider myself a man-hater although I have typically been pro-Kate from the beginning. I've always felt TLC filmed the worst moments to stir the pot. As I've said before, I have a lot of Kate tendencies especially when I'm allowed to operate unchecked so to speak. Years ago my husband learned just to tell me I had gone overboard and shut the h*ll up. I suspect if Jon had stood up to Kate years ago it would have nipped a great deal of the nonsense like Toys R Us and Crayola incident in the bud.

Anyway--my husband has pointed this out several times in the last few years as we are now at the age where some of our friends have divorced. DH's favorite line is "He knew that when they got married." He applied this to our first friends who got divorced and the husband whined that his soon to be ex-wife was spoiled. And he recently made the same comment when John was insinuating that he had been walked on.

Also, one more comment--open for flaming--but if people really think the show should be canceled then why be on this board gossiping about it?? It is only generating more interest, more discussion and more viewers. I mean I hadn't run across the other tups show until it was mentioned here. Of course, I immediately googled it!

 

[mfd25wife]

And if anyone at the moment is teaching their kids how not to behave it doesn't look like Kate.

Personally though, I'm hoping my son can one day grow up to be the type of man who decides to leave his wife and children and take up with a girl 10+yrs his junior who has a drug conviction in her past........every mothers dream.

 

[phamton]

Far from it.

This thread has always had many more people criticizing Kate than anything.

I think this just depends on what side of the fence you are on. You usually notice the postings which have opposite views than your own. I even stated several times how I felt ganged up on because I wasn't a Kate supporter. In my eyes, this thread has mostly been pro-Kate but I know that others see it as bash Kate thread. It's all in your perspective.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

IMO I think Jon tried to work it out with Kate long before it was apparent to the rest of us. Kate said in an interview that things had been bad for a long time (6 months?) and that she had tried to "fix" him. Jon had said that he didn't like not having a purpose and didn't enjoy being at home with the kids all the time. So Kate tried to "fix it" and got nannies, suggested jobs, etc. What she didn't do was take a break from her book tour and try to "fix" her marriage, she was having the time of her life living the life she wanted to live and if Jon wasn't onboard, then oh well.

I'm not sure if I buy this but in one of the early People articles, Kate said that she had tried a lot things to help Jon be happy. I got the impression that she wasn't willing to give up the book tour in hopes that it would make Jon happy only to find out six months down the road that it was the magic potion either.

I think it is interesting that both Jon and Kate said they valued one parent staying home with the kids, but he clearly meant when he didn't have to do it full-time. It is harder than people think! Sometimes I feel like my brain is turning to mush with three kids, 8 would be even harder.

 

[Buckalew11]

I don't understand why you think Jon tried to work on it. What makes you think he did?

A book tour doesn't last forever, it is a few months--even if it is 6 months, so what big deal. It isn't like this was what life was going to be day in and day for this man. And he was also reaping the benefits of the $$ rewards for the book selling.

Ok, he doesn't like staying at home with the kids. Fine. When Kate comes off the book tour then go get yourself a job and go to work everyday. You go to work, you come home and you take care of your 8 kids. That means bathing, feeding, homework, lessons, games, whatever.
That is what parents do. And when you have free time, you can ride your motorycle and play some. But you do NOT go out and hang with young women and co-eds and party. That is not what dads do. that is not what real, responsible men do.

Somehow, Jon didn't learn this life lesson. Once you are a dad and a husband, you do not "do your own thing". You have a family that depends on you for big things and little things. The daily grind. You crash at night and get up and do the same thing all over again. Is it always exciting? Heck no. Is it always fun? Heck no. Do we sometimes get bogged down by the monotany of it all? Heck yes. But it is called being a responsible parent/spouse.
At least when Kate was on the book tour she has a purpose for her absence. Jon's absences have been out having fun with young women (Utah and St Tropez).

I'm not saying Jon should not have any fun. We all should have some fun. But Jon was given trips, "field trips" and lots of fun by TLC itself. Most people do not get those types of opportunities. He really had no idea of how good he had it IMHO.

 

[DreaGirl]

I don't understand why you think Jon tried to work on it. What makes you think he did?

A book tour doesn't last forever, it is a few months--even if it is 6 months, so what big deal. It isn't like this was what life was going to be day in and day for this man. And he was also reaping the benefits of the $$ rewards for the book selling.

Ok, he doesn't like staying at home with the kids. Fine. When Kate comes off the book tour then go get yourself a job and go to work everyday. You go to work, you come home and you take care of your 8 kids. That means bathing, feeding, homework, lessons, games, whatever.
That is what parents do. And when you have free time, you can ride your motorycle and play some. But you do NOT go out and hang with young women and co-eds and party. That is not what dads do. that is not what real, responsible men do.

Somehow, Jon didn't learn this life lesson. Once you are a dad and a husband, you do not "do your own thing". You have a family that depends on you for big things and little things. The daily grind. You crash at night and get up and do the same thing all over again. Is it always exciting? Heck no. Is it always fun? Heck no. Do we sometimes get bogged down by the monotany of it all? Heck yes. But it is called being a responsible parent/spouse.
At least when Kate was on the book tour she has a purpose for her absence. Jon's absences have been out having fun with young women (Utah and St Tropez).

I'm not saying Jon should not have any fun. We all should have some fun. But Jon was given trips, "field trips" and lots of fun by TLC itself. Most people do not get those types of opportunities. He really had no idea of how good he had it IMHO.

That was just my impression by what we were shown on the show.

 

[mousey]

My aunt raised 8 children with a husband who put his own interests first. She had a a couple sets of multiples so they were close in age. Unlike Jon & Kate she did it herself and never received any donations or freebies. She also found time to volunteer at the kids schools and was a very good cook and baker. They had little money, but she made do with what they had.
Jon & Kate have a lot of help both financially and physical. Everyone thinks this is such a burden on Kate, but with all the paparazzi shots of her outside in her bikini and trips to Starbucks, someone in that house is doing the cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc..and its not her! Same thing with Jon, out playing on the tractor, driving his motorcycle around, etc....he's not doing anything either.
They are not the first large family to get a divorce and unfortunately they won't be the last. If the worse Kate has to put up with is his immature dating practices, she's lucky. Things could be a lot worse.

 

[DreaGirl]

I'm not sure if I buy this but in one of the early People articles, Kate said that she had tried a lot things to help Jon be happy. I got the impression that she wasn't willing to give up the book tour in hopes that it would make Jon happy only to find out six months down the road that it was the magic potion either.

I think it is interesting that both Jon and Kate said they valued one parent staying home with the kids, but he clearly meant when he didn't have to do it full-time. It is harder than people think! Sometimes I feel like my brain is turning to mush with three kids, 8 would be even harder.

IMO Kate isn't willing to give up anything. If you look at her past she no longer talks to her parents (They didn't know how to help us), her friends disappeared from the show, Kevin & Jodi are gone, and now Jon.

If you can't help her in some way that get out her way. Jon no longer knew how to help her so he was gone. JMO.

 

[madge]

It might be kind of nice for one parent to be able to take one or two kids back to his or her place every once in a while to have special time with the kids outside of the group.

that's all Jon can fit in his new apartment:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20291947,00.html

 

[DreaGirl]

My aunt raised 8 children with a husband who put his own interests first. She had a a couple sets of multiples so they were close in age. Unlike Jon & Kate she did it herself and never received any donations or freebies. She also found time to volunteer at the kids schools and was a very good cook and baker. They had little money, but she made do with what they had.
Jon & Kate have a lot of help both financially and physical. Everyone thinks this is such a burden on Kate, but with all the paparazzi shots of her outside in her bikini and trips to Starbucks, someone in that house is doing the cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc..and its not her! Same thing with Jon, out playing on the tractor, driving his motorcycle around, etc....he's not doing anything either.
They are not the first large family to get a divorce and unfortunately they won't be the last. If the worse Kate has to put up with is his immature dating practices, she's lucky. Things could be a lot worse.

Very well put, I agree. I just can't see Kate as a woman scorned when she was shown on numerous occasion dishing it out as well. Is Jon being an idiot now, you bet, but they are both at fault.

To say "Poor Kate" is just too much for me. I think they are both equally at fault for the divorce.

 

[Buckalew11]

That was just my impression by what we were shown on the show.

OK. I just thought you may have picked up on something specific that I did not.

My aunt raised 8 children with a husband who put his own interests first. She had a a couple sets of multiples so they were close in age. Unlike Jon & Kate she did it herself and never received any donations or freebies. She also found time to volunteer at the kids schools and was a very good cook and baker. They had little money, but she made do with what they had.
Jon & Kate have a lot of help both financially and physical. Everyone thinks this is such a burden on Kate, but with all the paparazzi shots of her outside in her bikini and trips to Starbucks, someone in that house is doing the cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc..and its not her! Same thing with Jon, out playing on the tractor, driving his motorcycle around, etc....he's not doing anything either.
They are not the first large family to get a divorce and unfortunately they won't be the last. If the worse Kate has to put up with is his immature dating practices, she's lucky. Things could be a lot worse.

Uh, you mean during the divorce or while they were married? Sounds like you mean while married and that is just absurd. Hopefully you meant now, while they are going through the divorce.

And I'm sorry your aunt raised such a large family with a selfish sounding man who put his wants in front of hers and kids.
Are you inferring that since your aunt did it, so should Kate? Or that anyone should and can? Not sure where that one is going.
Jon declared himself a Christian on the show. A Christian husband puts his wife's needs above his own. He is to love her as Christ loved the church. It is a biblical concept that comes with the territory of being a Christian husband. Putting your own wants and needs first is selfish and unchristian. However, if jon had not subscribed to Christianity, I'd see that part less important about who he was saying he was. Of course, there are good hisbands out there who aren't selfish who do better than a lot of proclaimed christians anyway.

 

[DreaGirl]

that's all Jon can fit in his new apartment:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20291947,00.html

If I were him, I would have gotten a one bedroom. The kids are always going to be at their home more space than that is a waste of money IMO.

Maybe he thought he could be more anonymous in NYC rather than in a small town.

 

[mickeyboat]

that's all Jon can fit in his new apartment:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20291947,00.html

I guess he isn't doing everything for his kids nowadays, is he? How is he going to attend sporting events and school functions when he is living in NY? Apparently he is not planning on being the parent to pick up a sick kid from school or to take them to the dentist.