Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[happygirl]

Jon shared, more than once, that he didn't like how Kate treated him ... one episode that come to mind is the Toys R Us show. But there were others.

Jon and Kate BOTH were very good at giving as well as they got.

I agree that Jon got as good as he gave.

I rememeber the Toy R US. Jon showed have been paying attention to what Kate was saying to him. She wouldn't have had to yell.

 

[kidshop]

I agree that Jon got as good as he gave.

I rememeber the Toy R US. Jon showed have been paying attention to what Kate was saying to him. She wouldn't have had to yell.

He was doing doing what she asked, then she screamed at him to do something else when she changed her mind.

Kate called them love taps too. Could a man hit a woman like that and then joke it off? Go ahead and share when Kate was kind. I'm sure you can think of one to name.

 

[madge]

I saw alot. There were many times on the interviewing couch they were flirting and love dovey. I think we all can agree that we have seen why Kate had to be the control force in that family. Jon isn't very responsible. I'm a Kate supporter so I can name lots of people who she was kind to.

Jon's is currently making poor choices, related to his social life .. absolutely. and I guess those choices could be seen as irresponsible. But if you're talking about things in the past, where you believe "Kate had to be the control force in that family" what was Jon doing then that wasn't responsible? He had a job, then quit the job to stay home and work with his family on the TV show .. made public appearances, stayed home while his wife went away on business. He played with his children, bathed them, traveled with them, etc. He wasn't out partying (that we saw) when he should have been somewhere else.

Jon and Kate had marital problems, and couldn't work them out. Unfortunately, it has played out for all the world to see.

 

[happygirl]

Jon's is currently making poor choices, related to his social life .. absolutely. and I guess those choices could be seen as irresponsible. But if you're talking about things in the past, where you believe "Kate had to be the control force in that family" what was Jon doing then that wasn't responsible? He had a job, then quit the job to stay home and work with his family on the TV show .. made public appearances, stayed home while his wife went away on business. He played with his children, bathed them, traveled with them, etc. He wasn't out partying (that we saw) when he should have been somewhere else.

Jon and Kate had marital problems, and couldn't work them out. Unfortunately, it has played out for all the world to see.

I think he was fired from his job and couldn't hold a job. He got fired from his job with Beth hubby.

 

[happygirl]

He was doing doing what she asked, then she screamed at him to do something else when she changed her mind.

Kate called them love taps too. Could a man hit a woman like that and then joke it off? Go ahead and share when Kate was kind. I'm sure you can think of one to name.

Are you saying he was physical abused with all those witness?? No one said anything

 

[madge]

I rememeber the Toy R US. Jon showed have been paying attention to what Kate was saying to him. She wouldn't have had to yell.

You commented that you never heard Jon mention he was humiliated .. and that is one specific episode where Jon shared that he didn't like how Kate treated him. Whether or not you think Jon should have been paying attention isn't really the issue, because it doesn't change the fact that on that particular show, Jon said he was embarrassed. at least that's how it was edited. LOL.

 

[Mom2Nick]

I think he was fired from his job and couldn't hold a job. He got fired from his job with Beth hubby.

When did they state he was fired from his job with Beth's husband?

 

[madge]

I think he was fired from his job and couldn't hold a job. He got fired from his job with Beth hubby.

he was fired from 2 jobs, and then went to work with Bob. the next thing we knew, he was staying home to do the show .. If he was fired from working with Bob, I missed it! She never mentioned that in her speech, only the 2 that fired him over the insurance issues.

 

[kidshop]

Are you saying he was physical abused with all those witness?? No one said anything

Nope. Not the point. Her treatment of him is the point.

 

[madge]

from JustJared:

Reality TV star Jon Gosselin moved into the Alexandria building on the Upper West Side of New York City on June 2, reports People.

Jon is staying in a two-bedroom non-penthouse apartment in the 25-story, 202-unit condominium on the northwest corner of Broadway at 72nd Street. His new pad is spacious enough for him and 22-year-old girlfriend Hailey Glassman!

A one bedroom in the Alexandria goes for about $1 million.

Yesterday, Jon was seen shooting new episodes for Jon & Kate Plus 8.


I wonder if Jon bought that apartment for the kids .... since that's the reason they give for everything else.

 

[DreaGirl]

I think he was fired from his job and couldn't hold a job. He got fired from his job with Beth hubby.

If I recall Jon stated in an interview that he quit his job to work on the TV show.
I cannot provide a link because I googled it but I don't have time to wade through all the links that came up.

I think when Kate was pregnant with the 6 he was fired from that job, I don't know of any others.

I always thought the "working for Bob" was to keep the viewer in the dark that neither of them was working outside the home.

 

[Buckalew11]

Isn't this true of the wife also? What did Kate give up in order to make Jon happy or their marriage stronger?

My comment wasn't about Kate. I could go on and on about Kate's treatment of Jon and how disrespectful she was and how her love was not Christ-like and once you lose respect for your DH it seems it all goes downhill. I've talked about that in earlier threads about Kate. She was definitely at fault. However, I was answering to another's post about Jon compared to the poster's selfish uncle and about how that poster thought Kate could have had it a lot worse than she did.

Does a Christian wife put her needs above all others? Does a Christian wife publically bash and humiliate her husband? Does a Christian wife nag at her husband for breathing too loudly or not doing things they way SHE wants? Does a Christian wife get to disregard her husbands unhappiness simply because she happens to be happy herself?

They are both poor examples of how a Christian couple shoud behave.

I agree. They both were. My post wasn't about kate's treatment of Jon. it was in answer to another poster's comment about her selfish uncle and how he treated her aunt. It was about how Jon declared himself a Christian and how if he was/is a Christian he was not showing it by putting his needs about his wife's or his kids. I wasn't addressing Kate's hypocrisy. She can take 50% of the blame for how badly the treated each other.

I mentioned Biblically because when we are talking about who people are and how they are treating others, we look at "why". Why should Jon think it was wrong to put his needs over his wife's needs (or his kids' needs?)Besides common sense, how should he know? Because the Bible tells him to love his wife as Christ loved the church.

That's the only point I was trying to make. It should not have OK with Jon deep down inside to be selfish. Likewise, if we were talking about Kate (which we weren't), I'd say the same thing. As a christian woman/mother it shuld not have been ok with her to trreat her DH with such disrespect.

But Jon did that. A LOT... at least, that's what TLC led us to believe was reality. He was shown as the parent who bathed the kids, got them up in the morning, played with them outside, etc. AND for some of that time, he worked outside of the home.



agreed. 100%


you mean things like running errands with your daughter?
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/12480



Agree with the Utah trip.

But, St. Tropez trip was taken on Jon's off parenting days ... and it was allegedly a work trip. He's separated from his wife and he's trying to get a job .. granted, he lived it up while he was there, with a horrendous choice of a companion .. but, the fact is it's a business trip on his off parenting days. Kate went to California last week for a business trip on her off days. I have a feeling we'll see a lot of that, now. from both of them.



that's been said about both Jon and Kate many, many times in the last several months.

I know Jon did a lot of the work around the house (at least that was what I saw). I saw them work as a team to get things done. And I believe that is what you do because it is what needs to be done.
You just can't wake up one day and say that it is the same ol' same ol' every day and I'm tired of it. So what??? That's what parent's do for their kids. So what if you were only 22 when you got married? So what if you had 8 kids at the time you were 28? So what?? It is your responsibility to bath them and meet their daily needs every day. And as they grow, their needs change and in some ways lessen and in some ways increase.

I just hope there isn't too many young people with this mindset (of either Jon or Kate) of "me, me, me" or else we're going to have a bunch of very trouble little ones coming up.

 

[madge]

I know Jon did a lot of the work around the house (at least that was what I saw). I saw them work as a team to get things done. And I believe that is what you do because it is what needs to be done.
You just can't wake up one day and say that it is the same ol' same ol' every day and I'm tired of it. So what??? That's what parent's do for their kids. So what if you were only 22 when you got married? So what if you had 8 kids at the time you were 28? So what?? It is your responsibility to bath them and meet their daily needs every day. And as they grow, their needs change and in some ways lessen and in some ways increase.

I agree, absolutely. Unfortunately, Jon Gosselin isn't the first or only husband to decide that enough's enough and want out of the marriage. I think that was going to happen to them, regardless of the show. IMO, they were on a crash course, and the spotlight accelerated it. Maybe not? We'll never know.

As far as we can tell, other than spending time with someone who is sets a HORRENDOUS example for the children, Jon hasn't shirked his parental responsibility. I don't think I've seen any reports of him not showing up for his time with the kids or anything like that. He's been with them when it's his turn. I'm hoping that this little fling with the doctor's daughter will burn itself sooner rather than later.

I just hope there isn't too many young people with this mindset (of either Jon or Kate) of "me, me, me" or else we're going to have a bunch of very trouble little ones coming up.

I think, generally speaking, this generation is full of entitlement issues. I don't even want to get started on that.

 

[DMRick]

IMO I think Jon tried to work it out with Kate long before it was apparent to the rest of us. Kate said in an interview that things had been bad for a long time (6 months?) and that she had tried to "fix" him.

Actually, I think she said she tried to fix things for him, not fix him (she mentioned he wanted to get the house and she tried to stay out of the house and was touring since that was what he seemed to want). Plus, as you said below, she got him help.

Jon had said that he didn't like not having a purpose and didn't enjoy being at home with the kids all the time. So Kate tried to "fix it" and got nannies, suggested jobs, etc. What she didn't do was take a break from her book tour and try to "fix" her marriage, she was having the time of her life living the life she wanted to live and if Jon wasn't onboard, then oh well.

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I think one of the problems was they were supposed to tour together and he didn't want to do that any longer either. By the time she was doing the book tour, I assume she was under contract and that coulo dbe very costly to stop in the middle.

Then Kate went to the press to tell her side and the saga began.

I thought it was after the first set of pictures that Kate told her side. It really had to be addressed, or we all would not have been happy...being told it was a happy family and job was out bar hopping and having such sweet pictures taken.

That said, good luck to her, thinking her kids don't see the magazines..unless she is no longer taking them to the store with her.

 

[DreaGirl]

I meant that she tried to "fix" him by buying him things. That didn't work. I know as a SAHM sometimes I need emotional support more than I need "things". Sometimes all it takes is my DH saying, I really appreciate you or I could never do what you do. It's the emotional support that is important as well as the financial support.

 

[DMRick]

IMO Kate isn't willing to give up anything. If you look at her past she no longer talks to her parents

Did Kate actually say in an interview that she doesn't speak with her parents? That's not the impression I got. I thought they didn't want to be involved in the show. I thought they weren't very involved with Kevin's children either. Back before her dad's church asked people to not give interviews, I thought one of the members said they were talking with Kate and Jon.

 

[happygirl]

Nope. Not the point. Her treatment of him is the point.

That is the point. It not as bad as you think. Do you really think so many people would stand around and watch her "abuse" him. I don't think so. How many adults would stand by and let another adult abuse another adult. Not many that I know.

 

[kidshop]

That is the point. It not as bad as you think. Do you really think so many people would stand around and watch her "abuse" him. I don't think so. How many adults would stand by and let another adult abuse another adult. Not many that I know.

so if Jon slapped her and giggled and called it a love pat, that would be ok with you?

 

[happygirl]

so if Jon slapped her and giggled and called it a love pat, that would be ok with you?

DO you think she really hit him hard. Did he cry?? Did he say ouch.

You never did answer my question. Is everyone plotting along with Kate for her to beat him and humiliate him?

 

[redrosesix]

And apparently that's what he wants, rather than working it out (and I have no idea if they did try for help, or how he treated her..I just know what TLC showed us), he becomes a party guy.

Can't wait to see how this plays out with the kids. If I were a betting person, I'd bet that once the show ends, and he blows his money, he might wish he had done things differently. I'd also bet that Kate will always be able to support her children, with or without a show. Jon? Not so much.

You have no way of knowing he didn't try to work it out -- he wrote his own vows for the renewal and Kate did what? Picked on him. And since it was Kate who said she wouldn't have married him again (in the People article and elsewhere) how do you know that it wasn't really her call. Either Jon had to be what she told him to be, or move on.

Far from it.

This thread has always had many more people criticizing Kate than anything. Recently Jon has been criticized more as people begin to see what Kate has had to deal with.

Well, I can't agree with this statement, and I find the tone quite condescending. I don't think Kate had it so bad -- all she had to do was cook and that was because she wouldn't let anybody else in her kitchen. Maybe he just didn't want to do everything her way -- there often is more than one right way to do things. Maybe sometimes he just wanted to take care of the kids, house, etc. his way, without being told he was doing it wrong. If I had somebody telling me that everything I did was wrong, I wouldn't lift a finger.

Jon doesn't seem too bothered about posing for them. In case you didn't notice, it was Jon who willingly gave the interview to People.

The paps aren't working that hard to get these photos.

No, he didn't give an interview to People. They wrote a story about him -- the Paparazzi asked him some questions, but he didn't give an interview. People is very much on Kate's side -- they do have an exclusive with her (and it likely works both ways)

IMO I think Jon tried to work it out with Kate long before it was apparent to the rest of us. Kate said in an interview that things had been bad for a long time (6 months?) and that she had tried to "fix" him. Jon had said that he didn't like not having a purpose and didn't enjoy being at home with the kids all the time. So Kate tried to "fix it" and got nannies, suggested jobs, etc. What she didn't do was take a break from her book tour and try to "fix" her marriage, she was having the time of her life living the life she wanted to live and if Jon wasn't onboard, then oh well.

After a while I think that Jon was probably just fed up and knew that he didn't want to be fixed and what he wanted he wasn't going to get. Then Kate went to the press to tell her side and the saga began.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jon is a total tool now. It looks like he is having a midlife crisis and it is all playing out in the press.

Although if you will remember Kate said the kids don't see or hear about the magazines so if this holds true (which I thought was a bunch of bull when she said it) then they wouldn't know a thing about the girlfriend.

I can't say too much about the age difference because my Dad is 9.5 years older than my Mom.

ITA!

I guess he isn't doing everything for his kids nowadays, is he? How is he going to attend sporting events and school functions when he is living in NY? Apparently he is not planning on being the parent to pick up a sick kid from school or to take them to the dentist.

But on his non-custodial days, he isn't supposed to be doing those things. Unfortunately, that's how divorce works. If a kid needs to be picked up, taken to a game, taken to the dentist, it's the parent who has custody that day who is supposed to go.

I don't have a wife LOL

I saw alot. There were many times on the interviewing couch they were flirting and love dovey. I think we all can agree that we have seen why Kate had to be the control force in that family. Jon isn't very responsible. I'm a Kate supporter so I can name lots of people who she was kind to.

You are a Kate hater it's on in perspective.

I never saw her hit Jon in the face LOL. I have love slap my hubby all the time.

No, we can't all agree on this. Like I said before, Kate was just controlling -- I don't think Jon had to be controlled -- he seemed perfectly capable of taking care of the kids. Yet Kate had to criticize everything he did, and in front of the kids (that's demeaning).

Just because somebody doesn't do everything the way that Kate wants it to be done, it doesn't mean they do everything wrong.