John Edwards chosen by Kerry as VP

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by mudhen
All this talk about the Kerry/Edwards ticket being wealthy....
so what?? Look at who is in the White House now, those
2 won't exactly be standing in bread lines when they are done.

Besides, did Edward's law firm ever rip off our military for
millions of dollars??

I dunno. Possibly. I don't know how many "Agent Orange" or "Gulf War Syndromes" cases they have taken on.

The point is, it's the Dems that alway ***** about "the rich", yet now that have one of the richest tickets in history. Not really gives them credibility in "feeling people's pain"

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Brer_Papa
Yes FaithinKarma....it left me going "HUH?" when it was happening....

You see, Tom Ridge, a fellow Erie-ite, was Governor of PA then....and ALL the Erie media ...and other PA news outlets...kept reporting Ridge was on the "short list" for VP pick....

they were gushing about how someone from Erie PA could be in such a hgh position and with such National prominence...

so, when Cheney got hired to be the advisor, the media waited....probably had the stories written and the headlines made ready for print...with the expectation that Ridge was the natural selection...

then...Ridge was not selected...and the Erie media started eating crow and making excuses...sidesteppng the issue that Cheney selected himslef and Daddy Bush also Ok'ed it...

then, the Harrisburg media caught Ridge...i think it was October 2000....abd reported that Ridge was never on the "short list" for VP......and Ridge admitted he lied during this reporting period...

the main point to me...and still is...that Cheney got the nod...and he wasn't on the list either....but now President Bush didn't think enough about Cheney to put him on HIS list....
and didn't stand up for those he did have on his list....

no matter how I look at it.... a poor example of leadership

Ridge as VP? Boy! The country dodged a bullet there. I think Ridge is incompetent as Homeland Security Director.

 

[dmadman43]

What kind of a moron would commit troops to Iraq and not make provisions for any kind of insurgency?

Not sure how you predict the future, but if Kerry can do it, more power to him. Who says there were no provisions (sic) for insurgency? You believe what you wanna believe. I guess Truman was a moron, too.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Interesting bit of history sent to me by a friend:

A list of lawyers:


John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Andrew Jackson (That one surprised me- Old Hickory had no formal education, yet he became a lawyer; but then again, in those days you studied law by being apprenticed to a lawyer.)
Martin Van Buren
John Tyler
James Polk
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchannon
Abraham Lincoln
Rutherford B. Hayes
Chester Arthur
Grover Cleveland (he was president twice- separated by a term, hence the discrepency between 42 presidents and 43 presidencies)
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Calvin Coolige
FDR
Richard Nixon
Gerald Ford
Bill Clinton

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Seems to me that puts John Edwards in pretty good stead- considering the percentage- and considering that among the notable non-lawyers one finds:

US Grant
Warren Harding
Herbert Hoover
(not to mention Reagan and both Bush's).

I don't think any of those were ambulance chasers. Most were not trial lawyers. Many were not even practicing lawyers. "A" for effort, though.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Tossing insults is easy, but the facts are that he didn't have to convince anyone with lies to "get" the cases. As you know if you read the article, he had more cases than he could handle and only accepted a tiny fraction of the cases he was offered.

As I said before, I hope the powers that be in the Republican party do just what they did in his Senate race. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

The more right wingers concentrate on the fact that Edwards is a lawyer the more I know they don't have a single valid complaint to use against him. Kerry's choice is looking better and better!

How did I insult you? Please tell me where? I agree he had more cases than he could handle, so he chose the ones with the biggest payoff for him.

Oh, there are plenty of issue to bring up about Edwards beyond his ambulance chasing. Like not having a clue who Itzak Rabin was. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a candidate in 2000 lampooned for not being able to name random world leaders? His support of the war in Iraq, with is contrary to Kerry's I think...I'm not sure though. What is Kerry's position today? Then there is the fact that Kerry had said Edwards was not qualified to assume the presidency.

Here's more: http://edwardswatch.com/judge.cfm

 

[Galahad]

Your comment was that he got rich off other's suffering...so do doctors. If people didn't get sick, doctors would go broke. I've never heard of a person who didn't suffer due to illness. Hospitals routinely let people die who can't cough up the bucks. Doctors refuse patients who can't pay at the time of service.

I just read this and I know this is OT....but this is B.S. Doctors do NOT routinely refuse patients that can't pay. More that 25% of DW practice is completely unpaid. She is not the exception, but the rule.

 

[Arabella Figg 2003]

Originally posted by dmadman43
I don't think any of those were ambulance chasers. Most were not trial lawyers. Many were not even practicing lawyers. "A" for effort, though.

dmadman, when I was in law school and taking trial advocacy classes, we were given a famous example of "don't ask a question unless you already know the answer."

here's the example (I'm paraphrasing):

The lawyer is questioning a witness who claims to have seen the murder take place in the dark woods. the lawyer represents the defendant, Mr. X.

lawyer: so you saw Mr. X hit Mr. W in the woods?

witness: yes, Mr. X hit Mr. W with an axe.

lawyer: and what time of day was this?

witness: 11:00 at night.

lawyer: and how did you see it?

witness: there was a full moon. the moonlight was shining on the blade.




(at this point all the students in the room think the lawyer's in really big trouble, but...)


the lawyer pulls out his copy of The Farmer's Almanac. after asking the judge to accept the Almanac as truthful (the judge does so) he opnes the book to the page describing the phases of the moon.

lawyer: it says here, that on the date in question, the moon set at 9:00 pm. how could you have seen the murder take place in the light of the full moon when the moon set two hours earlier?






Mr. X got acquitted.




the lawyer in question was Abraham Lincoln.


Honest Abe was (gasp!) a DEFENSE ATTORNEY!

 

[spearenb]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Your comment was that he got rich off other's suffering...so do doctors. If people didn't get sick, doctors would go broke. I've never heard of a person who didn't suffer due to illness. Hospitals routinely let people die who can't cough up the bucks. Doctors refuse patients who can't pay at the time of service. Taking 1/3 of a settlement pales in contrast.

I'm pretty sure it is against the law for a hospital to refuse treatment to any person. Whether they can pay for it or not. Wouldn't that be a nice tidy lawsuit if they did refuse in today's environment? 4 Mil for coffee in the lap, ohhhh, 100 Mil for letting someone die? Edwards would probably be all over that!



On another note, I find it interesting that the party whom claims to be helping the miniorities the most and fights for women's rights couldn't find a VP nominee who was:
1. of minority descent; or
2. a women.

Doesn't it seem odd that there was NO ONE in the DNP that could fit one of the categories above and had more experience than Edwards? Isn't it odd that a decent looking, trial lawyer, southerner, white man was chosen when there had to be someone, just someone who could fit the above criteria. Can someone say the Good Ole Boy network? I knew you could!

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by spearenb
Can someone say the Good Ole Boy network? I knew you could!

You're joking, right ? The current president has a VP that was in his daddy's friggin' cabinet, and you're going to give the Dems a hard time about the "good ol' boy" network ?



Gimme' a break

 

[cynsaun]

Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003

the lawyer in question was Abraham Lincoln.


Honest Abe was (gasp!) a DEFENSE ATTORNEY!

There is a HUGE difference between an ambulance chaser and a defense attorney.

 

[spearenb]

Originally posted by wvrevy
You're joking, right ? The current president has a VP that was in his daddy's friggin' cabinet, and you're going to give the Dems a hard time about the "good ol' boy" network ?

So, someone should be excluded because they were previously employed by a relative? How about he is employed because HE CAN DO THE JOB, was available, and probably one of the most qualified?

So, now that it has been raised, aren't you curious as to why someone else wasn't chosen?

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by cynsaun
There is a HUGE difference between an ambulance chaser and a defense attorney.

Where has this label of ambulance chaser come from? Do people actually believe there is never a need for a lawyer to take on a good fight and win? Has anyone anywhere cited one case that Edwards can be criticized for taking? the RNC has had since the beginning of the primaries to get"dirt" on this guy, and the best they can come up with is trial lawyers are bad?

 

[Arabella Figg 2003]

Originally posted by spearenb
I'm pretty sure it is against the law for a hospital to refuse treatment to any person. Whether they can pay for it or not. Wouldn't that be a nice tidy lawsuit if they did refuse in today's environment? 4 Mil for coffee in the lap, ohhhh, 100 Mil for letting someone die? Edwards would probably be all over that!

Hospitals are only required to provide emergency treatment ffor indigents. "treat and street".

I'm nt exactly a fan of the plaintiffs' bar, but ...

Edwards' most famous case was a $25 million award for a 5 year old who got caught in an open drain in a wading pool. the child lost most of her intestines and will need medical treatment for the rest of her life. Lakey case

Valerie Lakey - Swimming Pool Injury
Five-year-old Valerie Lakey of Wake County was horribly injured when she sat on a defective pool drain in a kiddie wading pool and was trapped by the powerful suction, which pulled out most of her intestines. We represented Valerie and her parents and the subsequent verdict and settlement were the largest products liability verdict and settlement in the state's history. The verdict also was the largest in the history of the swimming pool industry.

More importantly, our attorneys helped the Lakeys in urging North Carolina to pass laws to better protect children in swimming pools. These laws have become a model for the nation. The story of Valerie's case received international publicity. In 1997, John Edwards and David Kirby were awarded the Steven J. Sharp Public Service Award by the Association of Trial Lawyers of America for their representation of Valerie Lakey.


by the way, most lawyers do pro bono work. In fact, in some states, it's mandatory.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

I watched a documentary about Edwards last night, and he sounds like the kind of person that will attract a lot of votes. Nice family man who came from poor roots, and now he fights for the little guy. It all looks really promising. I bet the bushies are running scared?

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by spearenb
So, someone should be excluded because they were previously employed by a relative? How about he is employed because HE CAN DO THE JOB, was available, and probably one of the most qualified?

So, now that it has been raised, aren't you curious as to why someone else wasn't chosen?

No one said he should be excluded...what was said is that it is hard to toss the "good old boy" label at others given who was chosen as VP for the current administration.

As to why someone else was not chosen, you would have to ask Cheney that question , since he was the one who was given the assignment of chosing the VP and he chose himself.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Galahad
I just read this and I know this is OT....but this is B.S. Doctors do NOT routinely refuse patients that can't pay. More that 25% of DW practice is completely unpaid. She is not the exception, but the rule.

Maybe where you live, but not here. The only way a doctor doesn't get paid here is if the insurance doesn't pay. At that point the patient is already out the door.

So, for here it's not bs, it's fact.

 

[spearenb]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
As to why someone else was not chosen, you would have to ask Cheney that question , since he was the one who was given the assignment of chosing the VP and he chose himself.

You got me 'karma. Good one!

Oh course I am speaking of the DNP and Kerry as to why Edwards was chosen....

 

[cynsaun]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Where has this label of ambulance chaser come from? Do people actually believe there is never a need for a lawyer to take on a good fight and win? Has anyone anywhere cited one case that Edwards can be criticized for taking? the RNC has had since the beginning of the primaries to get"dirt" on this guy, and the best they can come up with is trial lawyers are bad?

I honestly don't care about John Edwards. He has let the people of North Carolina down with all the promises he made when he was running for Senate. It is clear that his only intentions were to get in the spotlight to further help his bid for the presidency. He hadn't even been in the senate a year before he abandoned all the "mill workers" he so badly wanted to help.

I take issue with the fact that he is being compared to Abraham Lincoln (among some the others mentioned.) Although both were lawyers, they were at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[wvrevy]

Lol....I just found this in an article on Salon and I thought fit pretty well here...Seems that Bush doesn't mind trial lawyers quite so much after all
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In 1999, Bush sued Enterprise Rent-A-Car over a minor fender-bender involving one of his daughters in which no one was hurt. Although his insurance would have covered the repair costs, making a lawsuit unnecessary, Bush sought additional money from Enterprise, which had rented a car to someone with a suspended license. In this case, Bush seemed to understand one of the most important functions of civil lawsuits -- to deter further wrongdoing. The case settled for $2,000 to $2,500.
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Hypocrisy, as usual

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by spearenb


Oh course I am speaking of the DNP and Kerry as to why Edwards was chosen....

Well, according to the overnight polls I heard cited on the news this morning 64% of people think Edwards was a good choice. This contrasted with 55% answering the same question about the choice of Cheney in 2000.....54% re Lieberman...and you don't want to know the numbers for Quayle LOL

And 87% of democrats approve this choice...unifying the party in a much needed way. There were many who supported another candidate, but they are willing to jump onboard and fully support the Kerry/Edwards ticket.