Is this line cutting?

[DisneyFanUntilDeath]

I normally always lurk but this thread really hit home. Last September we were in line for TSM. DD was watching Mr. Potato Head and not paying attention. She tripped fell and was a bloody mess. One of the moms from the back must have saw what happened and try to come up and help. Unfortunately an older gentleman would not let her pass. I ended up standing off to the side with DD waiting for that Mom with extra tissues. BUT thankfully no one cut that day right!

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I got his point because I appreciated the subtlety with which he made it. The problem is, it isn't a point at all, becasue it has nothing to do with the discussion of whether a person can join or re-join a group. There is no "group". I pointed this out in a subtle reply. You missed it.



Do you really need a definition of multi-tasking from me? Ok, leaving the carousel queue, walking over the Mrs. Potts, getting an ice cream cone, re-joining your family.

As for you judging...judge away! Your original sentence I had a bit of fun with was just odd IMO and leads logically to the silliness of my post in reply to it. Again I used subtelty to make a point. You missed it.

Queue utopia is where people don't get bent out of shape because someone left the carousel line to get an ice cream and came back to their family.

We seem to be arguing two different points so you evidently have missed my points as well. I have stayed away from addressing leaving a queue and returning to the same point in any of my posts on this thread except to say that there are sometimes good excuses for line cutting. It's still line cutting IMO and we don't do it ourselves. So that's my opinion on that topic and I'll move forward.

I am STILL attempting to address the ORIGINAL question. Is it okay for family members who have never been in the queue in the first place to join up with their family. The OP never asked if it was okay to leave the line and rejoin. That seems to be inferred by a lot of posters who want to justify all line cutting as acceptable. I think it's rare for people to leave a line and rejoin it later. Yes, it happens (potty breaks, etc.) and I've seen it happen and am usually okay with it. What I usually witness are line cutters who were never in the line in the first place. (And yes, they could have slipped under a rope and I missed them leaving, but for the ones I've seen cutting, I do not believe it to be the case as there was no two year old in tow.)

I was trying to simply address your original comment when you said you could see the point of those who were holding a spot for someone who was never there in the first place, but you considered it not a big deal overall. You went on to say it was okay to come "to and fro" in queues. If this is not what you meant, I apologize. I was just trying to point out how this attitude can create utter chaos within any queue. Not only would those who had legitimate reasons to come and go be doing it, those who simply felt like they were above waiting would just cut in line as far as they could until someone decided to take a stand and block them. To me, allowing anyone to be able to go "to and fro" in lines is a silly concept as it would get out of hand. Where do the "potty break" exceptions stop and chaos begin?

We'll have to completely agree to disagree on the bolded part. Leaving a queue to get an ice cream cone is beyond rude IMO. Multi-tasking would be buying a cone before hand and then eating the cone while in line. Your definition of multi-tasking involves more than one person so to me that's collusion, not multi-tasking.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

The bold part is coming, it's called virtual queuing.

Yes, it is coming....to one attraction....that isn't even an E-ticket....one attraction out of hundreds of attractions.

Also, there has been no mention of "virtual queues" for The Little Mermaid or the Seven Dwarves Mine Train attractions.

So until the day when virtual queues exist, the same basic rules of lining up that we were taught in Kindergarten apply. You enter a line as an individual, occupying one space, if you leave the line, you forfeit your spot in the line.

This is common courtesy.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

I normally always lurk but this thread really hit home. Last September we were in line for TSM. DD was watching Mr. Potato Head and not paying attention. She tripped fell and was a bloody mess. One of the moms from the back must have saw what happened and try to come up and help. Unfortunately an older gentleman would not let her pass. I ended up standing off to the side with DD waiting for that Mom with extra tissues. BUT thankfully no one cut that day right!

I'm sorry your DD fell and got hurt. However, if you had proceeded forward through the line, even moving past others as you showed them your injured daughter, you would have found a CM, who would have been happy to help.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

The bold part is coming, it's called virtual queuing.

We finally agree on something! Now that's utopia.

I normally always lurk but this thread really hit home. Last September we were in line for TSM. DD was watching Mr. Potato Head and not paying attention. She tripped fell and was a bloody mess. One of the moms from the back must have saw what happened and try to come up and help. Unfortunately an older gentleman would not let her pass. I ended up standing off to the side with DD waiting for that Mom with extra tissues. BUT thankfully no one cut that day right!

Sorry to hear about your story. We've usually experienced quite the opposite from strangers at WDW.

If after being able to explain to the older "gentle"man what had happened and he still wouldn't let you pass, he was quite an inconsiderate man. I rarely see that occur and sorry you did. There are no absolutes in life IMO such as absolutely positively no line cutting for any reason whatsoever. If someone doesn't have the common sense to see what's going on around him, that's just a story of an incompassionate guest and shouldn't change anyone's mind on those who cut in lines just to save time IMO.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

This is common courtesy.

as is...in my opinion....allowing someone to join their family in a queue (within reason of course. I have always said jostling past hoards of people is annoying all the way around...more so for the jostler than the jostlee actually, since it repeats over and over)

I have my opinions....you have yours.....a straw poll would show most in this thread agree with you so congrats and viva la difference.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

We'll have to completely agree to disagree on the bolded part. Leaving a queue to get an ice cream cone is beyond rude IMO. Multi-tasking would be buying a cone before hand and then eating the cone while in line. Your definition of multi-tasking involves more than one person so to me that's collusion, not multi-tasking.

It's group multi-tasking.

Why is it rude to get an ice cream cone?

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

It's group multi-tasking.

Why is it rude to get an ice cream cone?

It isn't rude to get ice cream. It is rude to leave one line, get a snack and return, pushing through the line, and giving said ice cream to members of your party that "held your space" in line.

Why can't you get the ice cream before getting in line?

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

It isn't rude to get ice cream. It is rude to leave one line, get a snack and return, pushing through the line, and giving said ice cream to members of your party that "held your space" in line.

Why can't you get the ice cream before getting in line?

I don't need to push past anyone to get back in the queue at the carousel. No one is effected one iota. No ones wait and no ones physical space. It literally makes zero difference to you.

So what's the problem?

btw - have we done this dance before? I lose track of all the different Tinks on the DIS.

 

[DisneyFanUntilDeath]

I'm sorry your DD fell and got hurt. However, if you had proceeded forward through the line, even moving past others as you showed them your injured daughter, you would have found a CM, who would have been happy to help.

There was no proceeding through the line. And unfortunately no CM was near us. I just think people need to be a little more human. Not everyone is out to cut you or take away your time.

 

[kschafer]

in Soarin' instead of a glider they shoot you out of a cannon over an orange grove towards Seattle. Those who are thin will make it and those who aren't will land in Iowa (you pay for your return trip back to Florida). Problem solved.

This will save me a bunch in return airfare!! How much do I have to eat on my dining plan to land home in Iowa?

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

I don't need to push past anyone to get back in the queue at the carousel. No one is effected one iota. No ones wait and no ones physical space. It literally makes zero difference to you.

So what's the problem?

btw - have we done this dance before? I lose track of all the different Tinks on the DIS.

I'm pretty sure we have lol.

I'm not trying to change your mind, nor do I think you are trying to change mine. We both have very firm opinions on the matter though

 

[AmberHeartsDisney]

yup

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I'm pretty sure we have lol.

I'm not trying to change your mind, nor do I think you are trying to change mine. We both have very firm opinions on the matter though

agreed...a good is in order.

we can't take ourselves too seriously. Well I don't anyway.

now: back to wondering when the dessert party ADRs will open for August......

 

[KSDisneyDad]

It's group multi-tasking.

Why is it rude to get an ice cream cone?

I wasn't referring to the Carroussel when I was talking about it rude getting an ice cream cone. I've never waited more than one cycle for the Courrousel in the maybe two times I've ridden it so that's not a very good real life example IMO. I was referring more to those who leave a line that's 30 minutes or longer such as Soarin'; TSM; EE; etc. to go get an ice cream cone and then return. To me, that's rude. Leaving a line that practically doesn't exist most of the time is not really even leaving a line.

Personally, I don't care if you grab your ice cream cone and return to your family. WOuld I do it? No. I just don't want it becoming a wide-spread phenomenom or it could become a problem.

agreed...a good is in order.

we can't take ourselves too seriously. Well I don't anyway.

now: back to wondering when the dessert party ADRs will open for August......

I agree...this is all in fun. If anyone takes this too seriously, I might have to worry about their health. And thanks for reminding me that I have some real planning to do for our upcoming trip!

 

[DonDraper]

My personal opinion is that it's not really line cutting, if it's rejoining the line.

You may want to avoid the parks in Fenruary if this bothers you, as I will be travelling with my two young children, who do not always know they are going to have to pee an hour ahead of time, and my mother, who has health problems making it very painful for her to stand in line for long. It is likely that our family group will cut in line by some people's definition at least once in the 2 weeks we will be there. If I took my child to the bathroom and we then missed out on the ride altogether or she had to stand in the whole line over again, I'm guessing the next time she won't ask to go. Would you really prefer to be the person behind her who has to step around the puddle she leaves or have the whole ride stopped while a wet seat is cleaned rather than just let a little kid leave the line for a quick trip to the bathroom then rejoin her family?

I would say I've spent about 150 days in Disney World in life thus far and I've never once come across a pee puddle.

 

[Wadecool]

I would say I've spent about 150 days in Disney World in life thus far and I've never once come across a pee puddle.

A pee puddle? How to eliminate pee puddles at Disney World. Now there's a thread worth starting.

 

[DonDraper]

A pee puddle? How to eliminate pee puddles at Disney World. Now there's a thread worth starting.

lol

 

[GrillMouster]

Yes! It is cutting in line. Little bladders should use the bathroom before getting into long lines. After countless trips with young children, my family has never cut the line to meet up with each other.

I read the first page, saw where this was headed, and skipped to the end. A child (and accompanying adult) who were already in line that leave for a potty emergency should absolutely be allowed to rejoin the family in line. That's not cutting because they already reserved their place in line and returning to that spot in a reasonable time does not make the line or wait time any longer for the people behind them. Statements like the one above make me wonder if the people with similar thinking have children, have ever spent time around children, or were ever children themselves. The only way to please such a person is to take all your children to the restroom before every single attraction. And if we were to do that, the same people would complain about the lines to get into the bathroom. It's not uncommon for a small child to sit on the potty for several minutes, not have to go, then suddenly have to go really badly ten minutes later. "Tiny bladders" can fill up quickly when food that was sitting in the tummy finally makes its way down.

Now, I don't think that it's cool for someone who was not originally in line to join the rest of his/her group. For example, one parent shouldn't get in line with kids while the other parent takes another child to the restroom, then tries to rejoin the rest of the family in line. If they want to ride together and not get split up in the line, they should wait until the entire party is together, then get in line together.

 

[larryz]

Actually, if the person asking to get by is being polite (I'm sorry, excuse me, I got seperated from my family and I'm trying to catch up to them, thank you) and you become loud and obnoxious and make general comments about it rather than quietly directly address the person you're referring to, it's generally you that looks like a jerk (and actually very passive-aggressive, which most people find fairly cowardly).

I won't be passive-aggressive, nor will I be passive, nor will I be aggressive. I will simply state -- in the plainest English I can muster -- that I am not "excusing you" to pass me (unless I can obviously see that you've had to take care of a bio emergency).

What you do after that is on your own conscience (or lack thereof).