Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[redrosesix]

That doesn’t mean she had physical possession of it. Security may have had it.

It doesn't matter who you are. When you go through security in Canada and most other countries (I'm guessing the US too) you have to present yourself to immigration by yourself or with your family and with your passport -- unless you're the Queen (see the article attached). This is even more important for anyone with diplomatic immunity. the members of the security team would each have to show their own passport.

https://ca.hellomagazine.com/travel/2020040287382/secrets-of-how-the-royal-family-travels-abroad/

Meghan lied about this, just as she lied about a lot of things. My thought was she was trying to look like a Saudi princess requiring rescue and refugee status. Sadly, they do take the passports there.

 

[redrosesix]

People in general announce weddings and pregnancies and so on. However they don’t usually announce the details of family squabbles to others. Harry seemed fine with what he was born into before his marriage but then I don’t actually know his thoughts and shouldn’t. If he has family issues then he should handle them with his family as any of us would.

I detest the paparazzi so they are of no interest to me if that matters. They are ridiculous but without a nosy public they wouldn’t even exist.

In the Anglican church you have to announce the wedding in advance -- it's called Reading the Banns, and must be done twice a week apart. The wedding can take place a week after the second bann is read. Technically it only has to be announced in the church but lol I think word would get out.

 

[NotUrsula]

BTW, I found a wee foreshadowing nugget of press from Elle Magazine, dated 12/10/2018. Regarding the planned departure of Meghan's Private Secretary Samantha Cohen, we have this:

While Cohen was only in the job temporarily, she was well-liked, and Meghan had been "keen" to keep her in the position permanently. But Cohen is ready to move on.

“Sam will be a huge loss,” a source with ties to Meghan told the outlet. The source then suggested Meghan may need a less traditional hire for the role as she carves out her place in the royal family. “Going forward, Meghan might need someone cut from a slightly different cloth to traditional courtiers, who is not a career civil servant or royal insider," the source said. "Meghan needs someone with reserves of energy and patience to help her define her future role."

Cohen had been the Queen's Assistant Private Secretary for several years, and in October of 2017 had resigned in solidarity after her own boss, longtime Private Secretary Christopher Geidt, was forced out of the job by Prince Charles and Prince Andrew. (Geidt, btw, was counseling the Queen to go much harder on Andrew over the Epstein business. In the UK government, the Private Secretaries are equivalent to what Americans think of as a Chief of Staff; in the Royal Households, they are responsible for everything related to the official governmental roles played by Family members. The Queen, Prince Charles, and Prince William each have one, and the ouster of Geidt (who was very defensive of the Queen's authority) was apparently led by Prince Charles' PS, Clive Alderton. The Queen's current PS, Edward Young, is seen as bit of a pushover in conflicts with Alderton, which is how Charles wants it, and the Queen has conceded because she accepts that she is unlikely to live all that much longer, and feels it appropriate to give more internal authority to Charles at this point, to ease the transition when it happens. FWIW, Princess Anne and the Earl of Wessex apparently think that Edward Young is a really poor manager who does not do enough to guard the Queen's interests; they preferred Geidt.) Anyway, back to Cohen ...

The Queen appointed Cohen to work for Meghan in November 2017, just before the engagement was publicly announced. Her role was described as "easing Ms. Markle's transition", and tutoring her on protocol was one of the major official duties, along with managing Markle's government-paid staff of 12 people. Now, this is just my opinion, but when one has a staff of 12 at one's disposal, led by someone with 17 years of Palace experience, it would seem to me that instruction and advice on how best to get things done should be pretty easy to come by if one is willing to take it.

Cohen officially left as of the end of November 2019, so her "notice period" was an entire year long. That, to me, looks like a situation where she was trying to leave, but was continually asked to stay for just a little while longer. (Cohen now is the CEO of the Commonwealth Enterprise and Investment Council.)

 

[Karin1984]

I see the New York Post is reading the British newspapers/tabloids and reposting a lot of the articles about the claims made in the interview.
As I am not an American, how popular/well-read is this website? Is it of any significance?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I see the New York Post is reading the British newspapers/tabloids and reposting a lot of the articles about the claims made in the interview.
As I am not an American, how popular/well-read is this website? Is it of any significance?

Popular, but a conservative leaning tabloid paper.

 

[snappy]

It doesn't matter who you are. When you go through security in Canada and most other countries (I'm guessing the US too) you have to present yourself to immigration by yourself or with your family and with your passport -- unless you're the Queen (see the article attached). This is even more important for anyone with diplomatic immunity. the members of the security team would each have to show their own passport.

https://ca.hellomagazine.com/travel/2020040287382/secrets-of-how-the-royal-family-travels-abroad/

Meghan lied about this, just as she lied about a lot of things. My thought was she was trying to look like a Saudi princess requiring rescue and refugee status. Sadly, they do take the passports there.

Meghan’s passport case is a lot prettier than mine.

 

[redrosesix]

I think you flatter yourself that you might be part of the Royal Family's target audience!
As HM The Queen is head of state for the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries the announcements are to keep us up to date with what is going on in our "first family" and we very much appreciate being kept informed. The factirrel that many others in the rest of the world want to listen and pay attention to that information is interesting but secondary.

ford family

This is sort of true. I live in Canada and for a very long time the role of the English monarchy in our country has been questioned. Our constitution was re-written in 1981 so that laws no longer had to receive consent from the British monarch. But the Queen's role in the Commonwealth can't be overstated. It's an informal arrangement, more like a club, with no other benefits than belonging. The Commonwealth has become more and more important as colonies have grown up to be independent countries and are in a position to help each other -- something they used to depend more on the UK for, but that hasn't been the case recently. The only person holding this together, quietly telling the better off countries that they had to help those that were struggling, is the Queen.

So it's not just for the British public that the accusation of racism is important. I heard Piers Morgan say the other day "we can't have a racist as king". Well, we can't have a racist as head of the Commonwealth either. I can't speak for other countries but I know that the Queen and Prince Charles have been seen as very supportive of Reconciliation here ie. peace between indigenous and non-indigenous Canadians. If it turns out that Charles or William were racist, the line of succession will have to change.

 

[snappy]

She said she had no help on joining the royal family, well what about the six months of training on being a duchess and royal protocol she got when she married

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celeb...yal-training-queens-assistant-samantha-cohen/

After reading that story, it sounds like the palace did try to launch MM. Not sure how she went aground.

 

[Karin1984]

After reading that story, it sounds like the palace did try to launch MM. Not sure how she went aground.

Several articles claim, she got all the help she needed to become a duchess/member of the royal family, but she decided not to listen. One story is on one of the first engagements Meghan had with the queen, she was informed: The queen will wear a hat.
That is code for: You have to wear a hat as well. I can't imagine that her trainer didn't tell her this.
Meghan decided to go to the engagement without a hat.

Did the queen mind, who knows, maybe she did, maybe she didn't. It does show that Meghan wanted to follow her own path. If she wanted to do that over hats (and tights ;-) ) I can imagine she wanted to do this over bigger things as well.

 

[snappy]

Hats, hose, color on toes, off the shoulder clothes.

 

[snappy]

Well, one company in particular is very pleased about the interview.... the patio chairs are now sold out...

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ry-oprah-interview-patio-chairs-b1815912.html

Darn, I missed my chance!

 

[mom2rtk]

She said she had no help on joining the royal family, well what about the six months of training on being a duchess and royal protocol she got when she married

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celeb...yal-training-queens-assistant-samantha-cohen/

She must have been absent on "national anthem" and "curtsy" days.

 

[bcla]

I see the New York Post is reading the British newspapers/tabloids and reposting a lot of the articles about the claims made in the interview.
As I am not an American, how popular/well-read is this website? Is it of any significance?

Part of the Murdoch empire. Probably the 5th most read NYC newspaper if you don't count the Wall Street Journal. But they probably get a lot of support from other Murdoch news sources around the world. But NYC newspapers to some degree try to be national and international news sources.

 

[RamblingMad]

Several articles claim, she got all the help she needed to become a duchess/member of the royal family, but she decided not to listen. One story is on one of the first engagements Meghan had with the queen, she was informed: The queen will wear a hat.
That is code for: You have to wear a hat as well. I can't imagine that her trainer didn't tell her this.
Meghan decided to go to the engagement without a hat.

Did the queen mind, who knows, maybe she did, maybe she didn't. It does show that Meghan wanted to follow her own path. If she wanted to do that over hats (and tights ;-) ) I can imagine she wanted to do this over bigger things as well.

What an immature rebel.

 

[okeydokey]

I see the New York Post is reading the British newspapers/tabloids and reposting a lot of the articles about the claims made in the interview.
As I am not an American, how popular/well-read is this website? Is it of any significance?

It's a garbage paper, with no actual truthful news.

 

[EMom]

Several articles claim, she got all the help she needed to become a duchess/member of the royal family, but she decided not to listen....

...It does show that Meghan wanted to follow her own path. If she wanted to do that over hats (and tights ;-) ) I can imagine she wanted to do this over bigger things as well.

You can't whine that "no one showed/told you how to do anything" and then when someone DOES show/tell you, completely disregard it and/or hold a grudge that they showed/told you. When Kate told her it was the done thing for little girls to wear tights to formal (royal) weddings and MM ignored it and held a grudge, that shows the woman has issues. BTW, I'm Team Tights. The church floors are cold, little girls get blisters in dress shoes, and you don't want their undies showing. It's practical, plus it looks more polished. As for pumping in her favorite scent to the church, what did she think the place was? A Hollister?

 

[bcla]

It doesn't matter who you are. When you go through security in Canada and most other countries (I'm guessing the US too) you have to present yourself to immigration by yourself or with your family and with your passport -- unless you're the Queen (see the article attached). This is even more important for anyone with diplomatic immunity. the members of the security team would each have to show their own passport.

https://ca.hellomagazine.com/travel/2020040287382/secrets-of-how-the-royal-family-travels-abroad/

Meghan lied about this, just as she lied about a lot of things. My thought was she was trying to look like a Saudi princess requiring rescue and refugee status. Sadly, they do take the passports there.

Well - the way I'm reading her claims, she didn't have direct custody of her passport - i.e. it was held by her security personnel traveling with them. Whether or not she "saw" it might be splitting hairs. When I was younger I travelled internationally and I never got to see my passport until someone else pulled it out for me.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

Just curious, (I am way behind on this thread, so this topic was being talked about yesterday) lots of people here thought that Megan should have reached out to her Mom for help with her mental health issues since they are "so close".

Personally, I am very close with my Mom, but at almost age 40, (I am 53 ) I wasnt reaching out to my Mom for any health issues.

The average age of Moms of 40 year old kids are 60-70 years old. I share a LOT with my Mom, but not really medical stuff as I don't want to worry her.

I totally agree that Harry should have helped Megan get the help she needed, but, again, many people contributing to this thread, suggested that she should have alerted her Mom.

I am super close to my kids and they often call me for advice etc. But, I am trying to picture being 60-70 years old and my 40 year old child calling me from another country and asking me to help them get medical help.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

Just curious, (I am way behind on this thread, so this topic was being talked about yesterday) lots of people here thought that Megan should have reached out to her Mom for help with her mental health issues since they are "so close".

Personally, I am very close with my Mom, but at almost age 40, (I am 53 ) I wasnt reaching out to my Mom for any health issues.

The average age of Moms of 40 year old kids are 60-70 years old. I share a LOT with my Mom, but not really medical stuff as I don't want to worry her.

I totally agree that Harry should have helped Megan get the help she needed, but, again, many people contributing to this thread, suggested that she should have alerted her Mom.

I am super close to my kids and they often call me for advice etc. But, I am trying to picture being 60-70 years old and my 40 year old child calling me from another country and asking me to help them get medical help.

We have no idea whether she did or didn't reach out to her mom or how her mom did or would have responded, so I'm not going to offer an opinion on that either way. As for the topic of your post, most (not all) people know mom is the one person that will always be there anytime you need her. Unfortunately, my mom is gone. If she weren't, I'd still be calling her, when I have difficult times. She was the only person, other than DH, that I would discuss something like that with. I hope my DS feels like he can call me for anything, regardless of how old I am.

 

[morgan98]

Just curious, (I am way behind on this thread, so this topic was being talked about yesterday) lots of people here thought that Megan should have reached out to her Mom for help with her mental health issues since they are "so close".

Personally, I am very close with my Mom, but at almost age 40, (I am 53 ) I wasnt reaching out to my Mom for any health issues.

The average age of Moms of 40 year old kids are 60-70 years old. I share a LOT with my Mom, but not really medical stuff as I don't want to worry her.

I totally agree that Harry should have helped Megan get the help she needed, but, again, many people contributing to this thread, suggested that she should have alerted her Mom.

I am super close to my kids and they often call me for advice etc. But, I am trying to picture being 60-70 years old and my 40 year old child calling me from another country and asking me to help them get medical help.

I am 51 for reference. When I was 40, my mom was 64 still working a full time job, taking students on international trips, travelling internationally in her spare time etc. Even today at almost 76 she is still very active (lives alone, drives for Meals on Wheels,, still travels). I would absolutely reach out to her if I needed something.

Being 60-70 is not on a deathbed in a nursing home. Heck, my husband is 61 and can run circles around most people. He absolutely can solve any problem and help in any way a 40 year old can.