Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[neverlandsky]

As was the part where Harry told Oprah it wasn't the Queen or Prince Philip who made the notorious comment. Looks like a few things ended up on the cutting room floor. without those bits, the interview is much more scandalous.

I wonder what else is missing. the original interview was 3 hours 20 minutes.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...winfrey-meghan-harry-archie-skin-color-racism

lol even the website address bothers me. these people are making a lot of money because they got all the right buzzwords in there.

Not only that just about every news outlet and talk show are talking and even arguing about it. It's practically ratings gold. With more interview material left on the cutting floor, it will be revamped and rebroadcasted as a new special aka extra scenes never seen before.

Makes me wonder in going forward towards the future if there will be NDAs with the RF for all newly spouses who marry into the RF.

 

[mom2rtk]

Not only that just about every news outlet and talk show are talking and even arguing about it. It's practically ratings gold. With more interview material left on the cutting floor, it will be revamped and rebroadcasted as a new special aka extra scenes never seen before.

Makes me wonder in going forward towards the future if there will be NDAs with the RF for all newly spouses who marry into the RF.

They're already doing an encore airing of the original interview tomorrow night.

 

[neverlandsky]

They're already doing an encore airing of the original interview tomorrow night.

LOL Oh jeez

 

[snappy]

They're already doing an encore airing of the original interview tomorrow night.

Think of all the $$ from commercials. Is it going to mental health non-profits?

 

[redrosesix]

I don't necessarily take what she said that literally. It sounded to me that she was trying to portray how different life was where an adult would be expected to hand over ID or travel documents for safekeeping. For some people that might be considered routine, while for others that might be disconcerting.

The President of the United States has his passports held by staff. Someone wrote a question to the Obama White House and there were a couple of answers by his personal secretary as to who held them, and then by a travel coordinator who pulled it out of the safe where it was stored.

re the bolded part: the problem is that this is what she actually said, and now that is what people actually believe. She wasn't a Saudi princess locked in her room and unable to leave the castle let alone the country, but she portrayed herself that way.

I don't think it's our role to decide she didn't actually mean what she actually said, and therefore excuse the fact that it was a lie.

 

[snappy]

If your mom is a mental health social worker and you’ve got suicidal thoughts, and nobody else will help you, calling her seems like a no-brainer to me.

I have wondered whether MM’s mom only heard about the suicidal thoughts with the rest of the 50 million people who watched.

 

[Cheburashka]

Here is a great round table discussion: A Royal Beat Special: The Oprah Interview. It was filmed at night, right after the interview, so the speakers were uninfluenced by other media opinion. Four royal experts discussing the interview very incisively.

 

[Disneylover99]

I have wondered whether MM’s mom only heard about the suicidal thoughts with the rest of the 50 million people who watched.

Yeah. I wonder.

Meghan was very pregnant when she was going through this and her mom was there for Archie’s birth so you’d think she would have at least mentioned her problems or the fact that she had no one to turn, to her mom.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

When someone is truly suicidal, help comes from wherever you can get it, even from someone like a stranger on a bridge.

People were responding to Meghan’s claim that no one was there to help her during this crisis she had where she felt like she didn’t want to live anymore. Desperate times, for sure. It was also as if she was locked up in The Tower of London with feeling isolated in her home for so long - in a new country, with people she was still getting to know, who she felt weren’t treating her right, etc. Even her husband wasn’t exactly helping her find help for her mental illness. So naturally, the question arose where Doria was during all this? She seemed to go back and forth between the US and the UK fairly often, she is a social worker, has an extremely close relationship with her daughter, and would likely have been a lifeline for Meghan during a time in which she was apparently contemplating killing herself! I think it’s completely natural to reach out to her mother. Doria is only 64 now, she was probably closer to 61 or 62 back then. (Today’s 40!) We can’t compare this situation to an everyday situation, it was quite extraordinary given her circumstances. To me it felt like there were just a couple of people Meghan could really trust, and one was her mother.

 

[redrosesix]

Here is a great round table discussion: A Royal Beat Special: The Oprah Interview. It was filmed at night, right after the interview, so the speakers were uninfluenced by other media opinion. Four royal experts discussing the interview very incisively.

I'm not even half way through it but this is a great link.

but they came up with a lot of the same things we did...dang we're good

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

So I’m curious how all of you know who she did and didn’t reach out to? Do you all know for a fact she didn’t reach out to her mom? It would appear she did get help. She did say she reached out to Diana’s friend. It doesn’t sound to me like she gave up seeking help. Just that within trying to keep things proper, she started with the BRF and didn’t get the help she needed there. But nowhere did she say she (or Harry) just gave up after that.

And again, I’ll caution anybody using a broad brush to discuss mental health. Just because somebody would reach out to their mom, doesn’t mean everybody would, even with a close relationship. Especially when you’re in a dark place.

 

[Disneylover99]

So I’m curious how all of you know who she did and didn’t reach out to? Do you all know for a fact she didn’t reach out to her mom? It would appear she did get help. She did say she reached out to Diana’s friend. It doesn’t sound to me like she gave up seeking help. Just that within trying to keep things proper, she started with the BRF and didn’t get the help she needed there. But nowhere did she say she (or Harry) just gave up after that.

And again, I’ll caution anybody using a broad brush to discuss mental health. Just because somebody would reach out to their mom, doesn’t mean everybody would, even with a close relationship. Especially when you’re in a dark place.

That’s just it. We don’t really know. And that’s the problem with the Oprah interview. We’re left speculating. Did she get the help she needed? I hope so.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

That’s just it. We don’t really know. And that’s the problem with the Oprah interview. We’re left speculating. Did she get the help she needed? I hope so.

I totally agree that we don’t have all the answers. I know many don’t believe she was depressed and I do have issue with anybody dismissing somebody else’s mental health. So given that I’m going to believe her and she’s still here, I have to assume she got help somewhere/somehow. Clearly acknowledging it’s an assumption on my part.

I think there are many here who can’t see past their hatred for her to look at things even the littlest bit objectively. And understand that a lot was left out of what we saw. So yeah, I question how many think it’s fact she didn’t ask for help elsewhere.

 

[snappy]

That’s just it. We don’t really know. And that’s the problem with the Oprah interview. We’re left speculating. Did she get the help she needed? I hope so.

A big part of the problem with the interview is that there were lots of bombshells, few details.

Maybe they thought, let’s leave them wanting more?
I don’t really get it when you have a couple who say they are desperate for privacy. Guess what, doing a gender reveal for your baby to 50 million of your new BFF’s isn’t too private.

Making an allegation about a senior family member but Harry saying, I‘ll never go there. Passive aggressive at its finest.

 

[snappy]

I'm not even half way through it but this is a great link.

but they came up with a lot of the same things we did...dang we're good

The phrase in the video that stuck with me was the lady in the video who described the interview as washing the family’s dirty laundry in public. I guess that is what a celebrity tell all is.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Thanks r

A big part of the problem with the interview is that there were lots of bombshells, few details.

Maybe they thought, let’s leave them wanting more?
I don’t really get it when you have a couple who say they are desperate for privacy. Guess what, doing a gender reveal for your baby to be to 50 million of your new BFF’s isn’t too private.

Making an allegation about a senior family member but Harry saying, I‘ll never go there. Passive aggressive at its finest.

But none of this addresses the allegations made here about her mental health or that she (or Harry) didn’t get it elsewhere for her.

 

[Cheburashka]

Just one example of how recollections may vary...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...n-markle-interview-prince-charles-sandringham

 

[redrosesix]

I totally agree that we don’t have all the answers. I know many don’t believe she was depressed and I do have issue with anybody dismissing somebody else’s mental health. So given that I’m going to believe her and she’s still here, I have to assume she got help somewhere/somehow. Clearly acknowledging it’s an assumption on my part.

I think there are many here who can’t see past their hatred for her to look at things even the littlest bit objectively. And understand that a lot was left out of what we saw. So yeah, I question how many think it’s fact she didn’t ask for help elsewhere.

I made the same assumption -- she's here so she obviously didn't commit suicide.

But they made some excellent points in that video link. Diana, Charles and Harry have all received help and they work with many organizations that focus on mental health so there is obviously no stigma to getting help. Plus any therapy she received would be confidential. We only know those three got help because they themselves said so. She says they wouldn't allow her to get any help because that wouldn't be a good look and I just don't buy it.

She said she went to HR, but the problem is they only represent the staff -- which is fair since there needs to be some separation between upstairs and downstairs these days and workers deserve protection even in Buckingham Palace. They can't represent her and the family has their own office that does things like scheduling doctor appointments. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, I would have to say she went to HR and they said they weren't allowed to book appointments for her -- that doing so wouldn't be a good look for them, it would be overstepping. And she got confused and took that out of context. Just a speculation.

She said she went to Harry pretty much last, and that to me doesn't even make sense. She would have been having private appointments with her doctor pretty regularly since she was pregnant at the time. I just don't see how it was impossible to get any counselling when she needed it.

 

[redrosesix]

Just one example of how recollections may vary...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...n-markle-interview-prince-charles-sandringham

oof. like someone was quoted in the article: "Harry, when you tell a lie, make sure there are no photographs to prove otherwise"

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I made the same assumption -- she's here so she obviously didn't commit suicide.

But they made some excellent points in that video link. Diana, Charles and Harry have all received help and they work with many organizations that focus on mental health so there is obviously no stigma to getting help. Plus any therapy she received would be confidential. We only know those three got help because they themselves said so. She says they wouldn't allow her to get any help because that wouldn't be a good look and I just don't buy it.

She said she went to HR, but the problem is they only represent the staff -- which is fair since there needs to be some separation between upstairs and downstairs these days and workers deserve protection even in Buckingham Palace. They can't represent her and the family has their own office that does things like scheduling doctor appointments. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, I would have to say she went to HR and they said they weren't allowed to book appointments for her -- that doing so wouldn't be a good look for them, it would be overstepping. And she got confused and took that out of context. Just a speculation.

She said she went to Harry pretty much last, and that to me doesn't even make sense. She would have been having private appointments with her doctor pretty regularly since she was pregnant at the time. I just don't see how it was impossible to get any counselling when she needed it.

I was with you until the last sentence. She never said it was impossible. She said she didn’t get it where she originally asked. And when you’re in that dark a place, there is a very good chance you need more than counseling.

And there are plenty on here questioning why she didn’t go to her mom. We don’t know that she didn’t. And there is a good chance she tried within HR first, even if it was the wrong place, because she was trying to follow what she thought was protocol.

I don’t find it odd she didn’t go to her husband first. I fell into PPD with my first and I didn’t know how to tell my DH I was struggling. And society has created this super mom mentality that there was shame that came with the way I was feeling. Now clearly that is anecdotal and would be just as wrong to assume my experience was at all hers.

I am not wading into anything else that was said during that interview here. I am strictly talking about mental health. And that we (me included) have to stop assuming that because we would handle it one way, it means that everybody else would. So people can rip her apart for everything else if they wish. But it is REALLY dangerous to judge somebody else’s mental health journey. None of us know.