Introducing - The Cleveland Guardians

[White Cat]

Why is Christopher Columbus considered persona non grata?

ford family

Currently a hated man in N America. Can’t teach about him in school. Some areas doing away with Columbus Day and statues being removed.

 

[RedAngie]

Cristobal Colon never set foot in what is now the US. In the areas and islands he did “discover” he was always pretty much considered a pariah, introducing slavery, European diseases, even genocide in some cases. Yeah, i know some of those areas already had their own unsavory practices.

I understand why it’s still a Federal holiday in the US, but I won’t discuss here because it’s ethnic/political related.

I’m glad that an increasing number of counties and municipalities are spitting in his face by renaming the holiday.

 

[sk!mom]

Why is Christopher Columbus considered persona non grata?

ford family

i would encourage you to do some research. He was not the explorer we were taught in school.

 

[luvnwdwgal]

For the uneducated and emotionally distressed.

A brief history of Chief Wahoo and The Cleveland Indians
In 1947, Cleveland Indians owner Bill Veeck hired seventeen-year-old draftsman Walter Goldbach. Tasked with creating a mascot for the Cleveland Indians that "would convey a spirit of pure joy and unbridled enthusiasm", he created a smiling face with yellow skin and a prominent nose. The name "Indians" and "Chief Wahoo" were meant to honor Louis Sockalexis, an outfielder for the Indians' predecessors the Cleveland Spiders and one of the FIRST Native Americans to play Major League Baseball. Another Native American baseball player, Allie Reynolds, pitched for the Indians for five years beginning in 1942, mostly as a starter. He was later traded to the New York Yankees. On October 6, 1950, the Plain Dealer, under the title of “Chief Wahoo Whizzing”, stated “Allie (Chief Wahoo) Reynolds, the copper-skinned Creek” lost to Philadelphia, but “in the clutches, though, the Chief was a standup gent—tougher than Sitting Bull.” In subsequent articles, Reynolds was again called “Chief Wahoo”, “old Wahoo”, and just plain “Wahoo”.
The name Big Chief Wahoo is said to have originated from a 1937 newspaper comic strip called Big Chief Wahoo. Wahoo was a short Native American in a ten-gallon hat who was played for laughs but showed courage, loyalty, and common sense. It was whites who were often the targets of the jokes (Wahoo: "Paleface full of prunes!"), and of vigorous defenses of Native Americans.

It's sad to see such a positive Mascot of Baseball History be destroyed by the uneducated and overly emotional people of this Great Nation. Big Chief Wahoo and other Native American Indians will now be erased from the pages of history and be forgotten with each passing generation.

Rest In Peace Louis Sockalexis
Rest In Peace Allie Reynolds
Rest In Peace Walter Goldbach
Rest In Peace Chief Wahoo

 

[EACarlson]

So a white man drew a caricature of an indigenous person to be used as a mascot but it's ok. No, not going to happen. That was the the most disgusting logo in sports and needed to go for many years. The opening day protests about the logo started 48 years ago. The original version from 1947 was only slightly less insulting than the version used since 1951.

You're history seems a little flawed and missing some things. The team was named the Indians by newspaper writers in 1915, there are multiple stories about why it was named the Indians, according to research I've done, the most probably is that it was riding to coattails of the Boston Braves. I would find it very hard to believe that it was named for a player that played three years in Cleveland 16 years earlier and was run out of town for being a drunk.

 

[JimMIA]

Cristobal Colon never set foot in what is now the US. In the areas and islands he did “discover” he was always pretty much considered a pariah, introducing slavery, European diseases, even genocide in some cases.

That's why if I were Native American I would find glorification of the word "Padre" offensive, lol.

 

[JimMIA]

Cristobal Colon never set foot in what is now the US. In the areas and islands he did “discover” he was always pretty much considered a pariah, introducing slavery, European diseases, even genocide in some cases.

But the English, French, Dutch, Portuguese, etc were faultless, of course.

Also, Colon didn't introduce either slavery or genocide. Native populations had practiced both for centuries -- as had every other population on the planet.

And the disease thing was a fair trade. Europeans brought European diseases to the Americas, and the natives gave them something to take home to remember them by!

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Jamie I feel so sorry for you...... nothing but peace and love

No need to feel sorry for me. I’m good - and on the right side of history.

 

[JimMIA]

Interesting bit of mostly useless information. Do you know where the Seminole Indians got their name?

It came from the Spanish -- specifically, the evil Spanish "Padres."

The Spanish word applied was "cimmarones." In Spanish at that time, the word was pronounced "theem-ah-rone'-ees."

Cimmarones meant "wild ones" or "uncivilized" and was applied to all non-Christian people including the African slaves the Spanish brought with them.

Uncivilized. That's offensive to me.

Later English settlers couldn't begin to pronounce "theem-ah-rone-ees," so they called the Indians "sim-ah- something-something" -- which eventually morphed to "sim-ah-nole'-ees."

Hence, Seminoles, which the Indians themselves adopted. The name the good Fathers gave them. Uncivilized.

 

[sk!mom]

For the uneducated and emotionally distressed.

A brief history of Chief Wahoo and The Cleveland Indians
In 1947, Cleveland Indians owner Bill Veeck hired seventeen-year-old draftsman Walter Goldbach. Tasked with creating a mascot for the Cleveland Indians that "would convey a spirit of pure joy and unbridled enthusiasm", he created a smiling face with yellow skin and a prominent nose. The name "Indians" and "Chief Wahoo" were meant to honor Louis Sockalexis, an outfielder for the Indians' predecessors the Cleveland Spiders and one of the FIRST Native Americans to play Major League Baseball. Another Native American baseball player, Allie Reynolds, pitched for the Indians for five years beginning in 1942, mostly as a starter. He was later traded to the New York Yankees. On October 6, 1950, the Plain Dealer, under the title of “Chief Wahoo Whizzing”, stated “Allie (Chief Wahoo) Reynolds, the copper-skinned Creek” lost to Philadelphia, but “in the clutches, though, the Chief was a standup gent—tougher than Sitting Bull.” In subsequent articles, Reynolds was again called “Chief Wahoo”, “old Wahoo”, and just plain “Wahoo”.
The name Big Chief Wahoo is said to have originated from a 1937 newspaper comic strip called Big Chief Wahoo. Wahoo was a short Native American in a ten-gallon hat who was played for laughs but showed courage, loyalty, and common sense. It was whites who were often the targets of the jokes (Wahoo: "Paleface full of prunes!"), and of vigorous defenses of Native Americans.

It's sad to see such a positive Mascot of Baseball History be destroyed by the uneducated and overly emotional people of this Great Nation. Big Chief Wahoo and other Native American Indians will now be erased from the pages of history and be forgotten with each passing generation.

Rest In Peace Louis Sockalexis
Rest In Peace Allie Reynolds
Rest In Peace Walter Goldbach
Rest In Peace Chief Wahoo

White-splaining… If you have to work so hard to convince that it’s honoring. You should consider that it is not

But the English, French, Dutch, Portuguese, etc were faultless, of course.

Also, Colon didn't introduce either slavery or genocide. Native populations had practiced both for centuries -- as had every other population on the planet.

And the disease thing was a fair trade. Europeans brought European diseases to the Americas, and the natives gave them something to take home to remember them by!

and Whataboutism… two wrongs, three wrongs, ten wrongs don’t erase one. We change what we can, when we can. Know better- do better.

 

[JimMIA]

White-splaining… If you have to work so hard to convince that it’s honoring. You should consider that it is not

and Whataboutism… two wrongs, three wrongs, ten wrongs don’t erase one. We change what we can, when we can. Know better- do better.

Buzzwords...LMAO.

 

[RedAngie]

But the English, French, Dutch, Portuguese, etc were faultless, of course.

Also, Colon didn't introduce either slavery or genocide. Native populations had practiced both for centuries -- as had every other population on the planet.

And the disease thing was a fair trade. Europeans brought European diseases to the Americas, and the natives gave them something to take home to remember them by!

Whataboutism. Yawn.

 

[penn19]

Buzzwords...LMAO.

Exactly. Whitesplaining. Mansplaining. Micro aggressions. . Yawn.

 

[RamblingMad]

Currently a hated man in N America. Can’t teach about him in school. Some areas doing away with Columbus Day and statues being removed.

I'm waiting for Matrix Day. When we all come to terms with living in a simulated reality, where you can't even find chips to build simulated cars.

 

[EACarlson]

It’s call educating someone. Something you seriously seem to be lacking. Know better-do better.

No, educating would be showing your sources and looking at an issue from more than one angle. Your bias filled assertions did cause me to look further into it, if for no other reason than to verify the Bill Veeck in your story is the same one I'm familiar with. You do know his son, who owns a AAA team now, has been calling for the end of the logo for decades right?

 

[PollyannaMom]

I still have an Indians sweatshirt with a Chief Wahoo logo on it. Bought it back around 1988 when we went to a game at the Mistake by the Lake stadium and it got windy and chilly after sunset.

That will probably be a collectors item now.


As for the change, I like the new name. Guardians is waaaaay better than Spiders!!

All in all, whether the name offended enough people to qualify as "officially offensive" or not, I think it was time to change it when it started consistently taking the attention away from the actual game.

 

[Darklord77]

Yep, their white fragility is showing.

Isn't this statement a "micro aggression"? Someone said if we let a bunch of micro aggressions go, we end up with big problems. I hereby declare myself the Micro Aggression Chief of Police. Now we must all come together and do our part to defund micro aggression policing, then we will "reimagine" it while people loot in the name of micro aggression injustice!

 

[Darklord77]

I'm waiting for Matrix Day. When we all come to terms with living in a simulated reality, where you can't even find chips to build simulated cars.

I'll do you one better. I am confident that at some time in late 2019 our reality collided with another parallel but slightly skewed reality and we got intertwined. Lets just say, to put it nicely, that our alternate reality was stocked full of lunatics. Like a mixture of a Stranger Things and Man in the High Castle plot. My evidence: people were ripping down or trying to rip down statues of Honest Abe and US Grant.

 

[mousefan73]

This whole name thing just made me realize that different professional soccer teams have a completely different naming concept ( no mascots, animals, types of person )

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

It’s call educating someone. Something you seriously seem to be lacking. Know better-do better.

Yeah, it’s not educating somebody - especially when you leave out half the facts.