Interesting -- diplomats want Bush voted out

[Van Helsing]

No trace of WMD in Iraq, no link between Saddam and Osama, terror gets worse in Iraq from day to day, transfer of control without being in control, nearly 1000 GIs dead, etc.

Yes insread of getting better, its just getting worse

News from today

Car bombs have killed at least 41 people in and around the Iraqi capital, with 35 dying in a single attack on an army recruiting centre in Baghdad. A car packed with artillery shells was reportedly driven into a crowd of about 100 people queuing to volunteer outside the Baghdad centre.

Debris littered a four-lane road and at least one unexploded shell could be seen lying on the blood-stained road.

A second bomb killed six Iraqi troops north of the city, a US spokesman said.

Four other members of the Iraqi Civil Defence Corps were wounded when the car bomb went off near the town of Balad, about 80km (50 miles) from Baghdad.

 

[Aristocath]

Thanks, Arabella. For some reason your didn't show up on my screen. But you have a true believer in Mickey88

Cathy

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by Aristocath
Mickey88, I don't think anyone has been terrorized into not voting for Bush. I like to think people are finally seeing what a mess he got us into and finally are coming to their senses. I'll only be terrorized if he IS re-elected.

you're missing the point...yes it is different than expected, but it's not the generl Iraqi people fighting us...it is insurgents/terorists from other countries who don't want western influence/democracy........ if the American people had the same attitude during world war 2, wanting us to bring home the troops after a few hundred or even a thousand deaths.....Hitler would have won, the world would be much different today, the swiftness and low casualty count of the first gulf war spoiled us.... we think victory should happen instantly or we should give up..

go back to the early days of the iraq war..the people were happy to be free...they still are, but they fear for their safety because of the insurgents......l


look at history..and all the facts...not just the ones that support your candidate...

 

[Saffron]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
the Iraqi people aren't fighting us..terrorist insurgents are, because they don't want us in the Middle East....if we run from Iraq..or vote Bush out becaause of that war..it will be a moral victory for the terrorists because they have weakened the resolve of the American people...it will prove that all anyone has to do is kill a few hundred American soldiers and we will withdraw our troups. that is their goal..they know there is no way they could actually defeat us..but if they terrorize us into withdrawing and changing our leader...

YES they have won

Who are these insurgents anyway?

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by Saffron


Who are these insurgents anyway?

well from everything I've seen on the news they would be Taliban and al quaida...

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by Aristocath
The terrorists will win if Americans don't travel, or fly, or attend sporting events, or go to the mall, or go to July 4th events, or WDW, or anything else that we like to do. That's when the terrorists will have won.

Cathy

and Americans will be afraid to do these things if we have a President that doesn't have the courage to take the fight to them..rather than waiting for them to attack again in the USA



JUST for the record..I'm not a Bush supporter, but I'd rather have a president who has the courage to make the tough decisions and stick to them, rather than a president who changes his point of view with every interview, just to please whatever group he's talking to..

for everyone who buys into Kerry's viet nam record as he tells it these days...search the net for the story as told by the people he served with...

 

[cati]

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Keeping Bush as our President is letting the Christian Right win, IMO.

And what is wrong with that.. sounds pretty good to me!!! One day we are all going to have to face God, and I am proud to say I am a Christian and take the Bible for what it says - WORD FOR WORD

if we run from Iraq..or vote Bush out becaause of that war..it will be a moral victory for the terrorists because they have weakened the resolve of the American people...it will prove that all anyone has to do is kill a few hundred American soldiers and we will withdraw our troups. that is their goal..they know there is no way they could actually defeat us..but if they terrorize us into withdrawing and changing our leader...

ITA!!!!

 

[faithinkarma]

JUST for the record..I'm not a Bush supporter, but I'd rather have a president who has the courage to make the tough decisions and stick to them, rather than a president who changes his point of view with every interview, just to please whatever group he's talking to..

And many would prefer to have a president making the right decisions. "Stay the course" is a motto, not a plan....so far, if there is a plan, it has gone terribly awry.

I have already posted at length as to how the president changes his mind over and over and over again.....it is plain to see if you read beyond the headlines....and yet, his supporters persistently ignore this side of him.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
And many would prefer to have a president making the right decisions. "Stay the course" is a motto, not a plan....so far, if there is a plan, it has gone terribly awry.

I have already posted at length as to how the president changes his mind over and over and over again.....it is plain to see if you read beyond the headlines....and yet, his supporters persistently ignore this side of him.

Well Kerry's not offering much of a solution beyond "We need France to like us again"

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Perhaps because they realize the U.S. policy in Iraq is failing miserably, that the U.S. cannot be trusted to uphold human rights as outlined by the U.N., and because they feel the Iraqi people would be better off without the U.S. appointed governing counsel.

I think U.N. member nations understand that turning their back on Iraq is not an appropriate course of action even if they disagree with the U.S. pre-emptive attack on the nation.

Ah, the human rights canard. Didn't take long for that to come up.

Either way, the vote was 15-0, so it can't be said they aren't on our side regarding the transition.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
Yes insread of getting better, its just getting worse

News from today

Car bombs have killed at least 41 people in and around the Iraqi capital, with 35 dying in a single attack on an army recruiting centre in Baghdad. A car packed with artillery shells was reportedly driven into a crowd of about 100 people queuing to volunteer outside the Baghdad centre.

Debris littered a four-lane road and at least one unexploded shell could be seen lying on the blood-stained road.

A second bomb killed six Iraqi troops north of the city, a US spokesman said.

Four other members of the Iraqi Civil Defence Corps were wounded when the car bomb went off near the town of Balad, about 80km (50 miles) from Baghdad.

And who was responsible? Do you really think this would stop if we left?

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by dmadman43
Ah, the human rights canard. Didn't take long for that to come up.

Canard? Really? Did you miss the pictures? The stories?

Or do such things just not matter to you?

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Canard? Really? Did you miss the pictures? The stories?

Or do such things just not matter to you?

I must have been too busy reading stories and seeing pictures and videos of Nick Berg's butchering and four Americans being killed, burned, drug through the streets and hung from a bridge to be paying attention.

 

[Van Helsing]

And who was responsible? Do you really think this would stop if we left?

How do you know it won't ???

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
How do you know it won't ???

how do you know that the Presidents plan won't work unless it's carried thru without caving in to the insurgents....

how do you know that it won't bring Peace to the middle east and Pres. Bush won't be credited with doing what , others have failed at....



I remember another President who was crazy because he dared to stand up to the Soviet Union,, he ignored the critics because he believed in the cause....now he is credited with the fall of communism in Europe..

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by dmadman43
That's relevant, how? That'd be like saying Katie Couric is finding fault with Kerry. I'm not seeing how that matters.

As for Bill O'Rielly, if there is a more pompous, self absorbed, arrogant, condescending blowhard on the air I've yet run across them.

Yes, bill O'Reilly is all of those things. I think thats why I enjoy watching his show so much! I guess Rush beats him in some of those areas, though?

I guess it matters because it seems as if he is losing faith in Bush's ability as a leader. Like it or not, these people have an influence on how the rest of us vote!

 

[Eeyore1954]

Just because a talking head disagrees or criticizes some aspect of the Administration's actions or policies does not mean the individual is "losing faith" in President Bush as a leader. Limbaugh has been a vocal critic of many of President Bush's policies and decisions, but he completely supports his reelection. I can't speak for O'Reilly. But I think it's a bit of a stretch or projected desire to say they are losing faith with the Administration.

As for their influence on how people vote, I think you are giving them credit for way too much influence. There may be some people who are easily swayed by clever rhetoric, just as there are those who staunchly support their party come what may. I choose to believe that the vast majority of Americans have sufficient brain capacity to make intelligent, informed decisions on Nov. 2nd, without depending on a talking head to tell them who to vote for.

 

[Nancy]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel


I guess it matters because it seems as if he is losing faith in Bush's ability as a leader. Like it or not, these people have an influence on how the rest of us vote!

Not me, I vote the way I decide. I don't put much faith in what people on TV shows (whether news or otherwise) say. I have my own mind and it is not easily swayed because someone makes a few comments on TV.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
how do you know that the Presidents plan won't work unless it's carried thru without caving in to the insurgents....

how do you know that it won't bring Peace to the middle east and Pres. Bush won't be credited with doing what , others have failed at....

I remember another President who was crazy because he dared to stand up to the Soviet Union,, he ignored the critics because he believed in the cause....now he is credited with the fall of communism in Europe..

Yeah....Next thing you know, they'll be calling Dubya the Great Communicator



Ok, I couldn't even type that with a straight face

I also like this theory of how none of the Iraqi people are fighting us, just those durn foreign terrorist types....Not sure where that came from, considering the leader of these "terrorists" is an Iraqi shiite and the "insurgents" are all his people.

It's become commonplace for people to label anyone fighting against us as "terrorists", just as it is (obviously) popular to call anyone who wants to give Shrub a one-way ticket back to Crawford "unpatriotic" or say that they support terrorism

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Nancy
Not me, I vote the way I decide. I don't put much faith in what people on TV shows (whether news or otherwise) say. I have my own mind and it is not easily swayed because someone makes a few comments on TV.

You and Steve do bring up good points.

Well everything is on a sliding scale in my book. I was for the war in the beginning. Now that a lot of the news programs have shed light on how botched everything has been, I'm against it. Especially since we went to war under false pretenses. No WMD's were found.

If you don't listen to the news how will you know how things have changed? What is new? Especially with the hearings now? Is what you are basing your opinion on, things that happenned in the past? How do you stay current, or informed then?