Inappropriate topic 420?

[Luv2Roam]

We have at USO. But never Disney. Although DH did see a drug sale in the MK bathroom one time! No security around when you need 'em.

 

[eeyoregirl]

There have been several times in the past when I thought "hmmm... could it be?" but then thought again, "nah, who would do that? I must be imagining it!" Maybe not, then, huh?

 

[bicker]

If laws were black and white there would be no need for courts, lawyers, etc...When you are considering the human factor there are always too many variables to make things absolute.

I was vague, earlier, when I said what I said. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify what I meant. The courts are there to arbitrate when there is a difference of opinion about what the law is, or when there is a difference of opinion as to what the facts are. While that is true, no one in this thread has suggested that it is legal to smoke illegal drugs at WDW, and no one in this thread has challenged the assertion by posters in this thread that what they smelled was pot. You are correct that these are both valid positions to take -- but no one has taken either of those two positions yet in this thread.

So while the law itself isn't black-and-white (because reasonable people can disagree about what the law actually is and what the facts of any specific case is) compliance with the law is a black-and-white issue.

 

[DepCor0311]

compliance with the law is a black-and-white issue.

There are those that would argue that point with you...But I ain't one of 'em ...Great clarification

 

[ReggieB]

There have been several times in the past when I thought "hmmm... could it be?" but then thought again, "nah, who would do that? I must be imagining it!" Maybe not, then, huh?

That would be me too! My DH pointed it out, and I'm "ooh maybe it's those clove cigarettes" My DH rolled his eyes and said "yes dear, sure it is"

 

[slug]

"So while the law itself isn't black-and-white (because reasonable people can disagree about what the law actually is and what the facts of any specific case is) compliance with the law is a black-and-white issue."




Why? And where do people get the qualifications to judge others?

So let me get this straight: During prohibition it was "wrong" to drink because that's what the law said. But the day after the 21st Amendment was passed it was not wrong because the law had changed? That's ludicrous.

By that logic, those who ran and participated in the underground railroad were "wrong" because it was illegal to steal, release, or hide slaves then?

The law is far too subjective and evolving to make blanket statements about compliance.

That being said, there are certain things that have no business being done in the presence of children, and smoking pot is absolutly one of them. So fundamentally, we're probably in agreement about the pot smoking, but for different reasons.

But what people do in the privacy of their rooms is none of my business so long as it doesn't have a negative impact on me or other guests.

 

[DepCor0311]

Good point Slug...I'm not gonna speak for bicker, but I think the point is, whether or not you agree with the law, it is going to be enforced. If enough of the people don't believe the law is fair...it will eventually be modified (for example: prohibition and slavery).

 

[bicker]

"So while the law itself isn't black-and-white (because reasonable people can disagree about what the law actually is and what the facts of any specific case is) compliance with the law is a black-and-white issue."

Why?

Because it is a foundation of civilized society.

And where do people get the qualifications to judge others?

No one is judging anyone.

So let me get this straight: During prohibition it was "wrong" to drink because that's what the law said. But the day after the 21st Amendment was passed it was not wrong because the law had changed? That's ludicrous.

The law was ludicrous (perhaps). Respect for the law was not.

By that logic, those who ran and participated in the underground railroad were "wrong" because it was illegal to steal, release, or hide slaves then?

Correct. Great injustice still takes place in our society today, and that injustice is fostered by today's laws. 100 years from now we'll look back on some of the illegal things people are doing today and wonder why they were illegal. We'll also look back at some of the legal things people are doing today and wonder why they were legal. Hindsight is 20/20 and only the most arrogant people would presume to know what the future morality will be. What we do know now is what is acceptable and proper now.

The law is far too subjective and evolving to make blanket statements about compliance.

That's a rationalization for poor behavior, nothing more.

 

[BTown]

I've been to more concerts than I can imagine were this sort of thing goes around, but I've never seen it or smelled it at Disney World. Personally, I would have thought it virtually impossible due to the high level of security around that place, especially on the rides, but I guess when you are dealing with that many people every day, some are bound to slip through. I think its a terrible thing to do at Disney World. At a concert, sure, go for it if that's your thing, but Disney World? If you have to be high to enjoy Disney World, then I think there is a much larger, or serious problem at hand than the use of drugs.

 

[rie'smom]

That comment in itself is judgemental. And no I don't ever, ever drink and drive. Not even one. Too many friends lost to drunk drivers.

I wasn't being judgmental. What I meant was I'm not perfect. You know the saying,to paraphrase- before you talk about the splinter in your neighbor's eye,you should notice the log in your own.

Someone asked about snorting lines-well,I've seen that too,in the MK of all places. Why would it help if I ran and told someone? I personally don't do drugs.
Notice the personally and to me that's what it's about-personal responsibility.
Now if I saw someone trying to force drugs on someone else or carrying a weapon-in other words,doing something that could harm others,that's a different story. If people choose to do something that may cause harm to themselves,that,at least to me,is a personal decision.

 

[slug]

Because it is a foundation of civilized society.

Really? Define "civilized."

Is civilized the society we live in today? There are countless laws governing nearly every aspect of life, but I would consider our society quite uncivilized when compared to, for example, the society of Native Americans before colonization who weren't governed by an intricate system of laws but, rather, relied on nature and thier own moral compass to guide them through life in a very civilized manner.



No one is judging anyone.


Go back and read this post as well as any other post where there is a hint of violating a Disney rule. Then if you say that nobody is judging anyone I will concede the point.



Correct. Great injustice still takes place in our society today, and that injustice is fostered by today's laws. 100 years from now we'll look back on some of the illegal things people are doing today and wonder why they were illegal. We'll also look back at some of the legal things people are doing today and wonder why they were legal. Hindsight is 20/20 and only the most arrogant people would presume to know what the future morality will be. What we do know now is what is acceptable and proper now.


You couldn't possibly be more mistaken. Your mistake comes in equating "right" with "legal." And while the activity of running the underground railroad was almost certainly illegal at the time, at no point was it "wrong." There is a basic law of humanity which supercedes any man-made or society-made law. That's not hindsight. And it's not "future morality" -regardless of the customs at the time, morally it was as wrong then as it is today. Violating an unjust law is not wrong if a greater evil would persist in abiding with the law.


That's a rationalization for poor behavior, nothing more.[/QUOTE]


Poor behavior? Regardless of what any law said, freeing slaves was never poor behavior. There is a very real difference bewteen what is "illegal" and what is "wrong." I will agree to disagree with you on that.

 

[tmt martins]

But what people do in the privacy of their rooms is none of my business so long as it doesn't have a negative impact on me or other guests.

I can see it now at the front deck.

CM > you need to change your room because someone smoked in it.

DM > Yes thats what I just said.

CM > does someone in your family have a breathing problem.

DM > NO BUT KID HAS A CONTACT HIGH NOW

CM > I will have to go and check that room out for myself and I better take some others with me.

CM on NEXTEL GROUP PAGE > I have a 420 at the BWV room 2202

 

[bicker]

Violating an unjust law is not wrong if a greater evil would persist in abiding with the law.

I believe most reasonable people would agree that defending use of illegal drugs (which is, of course, what we're talking about in this thread) by calling such laws "unjust" would be a rationalization.

 

[slug]

That would only be true if you were happy to be apprehended and punished for doing so. Otherwise it is a rationalization.

Think about it: If anyone gets to determine what is right and wrong, with no formal input from society through it laws as monitor, you wouldn't have civilization; you'd have anarchy.

I agree with the first part.

The 2nd part is incorrect because "formal input from society" is completely unneccessary when determing if something is right or wrong.

Something is either right or it is wrong. Society doesn't determine that. Being a human being does.

A law may define what society deems acceptable and set a punishment for a given activity, but the act is not wrong because the law says it's wrong - You have the order backwards - Something is already wrong before a law ever said it was wrong.

So when the law is wrong, it is useless and goes against what is already morally right or wrong.

 

[CanadianGuy]

I've definitely smelled it at Epcot and MK.. can't recall smelling such a thing at MGM and the last time I was there AK wasn't open yet.

Moral compasses aside, it just seems like incredibly poor judgement to do it in a crowded area of the park - or an area of the park where people are nearby.

Ironically, the last time I smelled it at MK, I was walking the deserted walkway from Space Mountain (north-ish) that runs parallel the train tracks. Altho I couldn't see where it was coming from....

J

 

[slug]

Hey bicker, just for the record, this is nothing personal and I don't want this to come across as a personal attack - Just a difference of opinion - Just so you know where I'm coming from.

 

[DepCor0311]

So when the law is wrong, it is useless and goes against what is already morally right or wrong.

This really bears no relevance to the arguement. The law is the law, and will be used (enforced) regardless of the morality. You can argue that the law is useless, because it is superceded by what is morally "right" but that won't play out in the real world. Just because an individual's morals object to the law, doesn't necessarily invalidate the law. This is proven over and over again because people go to jail all the time, thinking that their actions were right at the time of the crime. Most of us would steal food to feed our starving family...but we would still be in violation of the law if caught. It makes good fodder for philosophical debate, but in the end it won't fly in the real world.

 

[bicker]

Something is either right or it is wrong. Society doesn't determine that. Being a human being does.

I'm human and I believe you're wrong. Does that mean you are wrong? Of course not. So formal input from society is necessary to determine right and wrong in cases where reasonable people disagree.

 

[mjgruber]

True, however, it is illegal in Florida, medicinal or not. I do agree that terming it "inappropriate," as wdwlvr629 did, is misleading: It's illegal, and anything illegal is inappropriate, of course. However, it isn't any more or less inappropriate than a second offense of reckless driving. (Both crimes are misdemeanors in Florida, punishable by incarcertation of up to one year and a $1000 fine.)

Not especially, no. Drug use is a serious violation anywhere, but it would only be especially objectionable on the premises of a school, workplace, or government office, where recreational activities are proscribed.

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[LindsayDunn228]

ISomeone asked about snorting lines-well,I've seen that too,in the MK of all places. Why would it help if I ran and told someone? I personally don't do drugs.

Are you serious? You wouldn't report it if you saw someone snorting cocaine at WDW?