How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[Geoff_M]

They should BOTH be protected from character assassination, but in fairness since that isn't going to happen the video is fair game and should be out there to show why the officer may have been justified.

If the store video had been from a time period prior to that day, I could agree that it's value would be questionable. But I still think that the fact that it was taken 20 or so minutes before the fatal shooting and likely speaks to the state of mind of Brown at that time and makes it important.
To those that decry its release, I wonder how they would feel if it turns out that video exists that appears to show Wilson abusing a citizen of the town at some time in the past... would they insist it too should not be released? I know some were more than happy to point to past examples of problems with the FPD when buttressing their feelings that Brown was profiled/murdered.

Now why he shot so many times is what makes no sense.

I think we should wait to see that the coroner's report says, but with regard to the number of shots fired, I'm not a police officer, but I don't think they're trained to pause before each round to assess if another one is warranted before firing again. It's also quite easy to fire off seven rounds with a semi-automatic pistol, so I don't think that number tells us anything in and of itself. Again, I don't know if the killing was warranted or not, I just prefer to wait for all the information first.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Transparency does not equate to immediacy. It does more harm than good for the public to receive information piecemeal.

 

[CPT Tripss]

How about I show him the same kind of respect that has been shown to the police chief? Or to the officer involved in the shooting?

Any police officer that marches with protesters and sides with looters deserves no respect.

Do you also think that of the cops that show up on You Tube and tea Party protests disagreeing with and disparaging elected officials and our laws? Or does it only apply when the protests involve what some here refer to as "thugs?"

 

[RadioNate]

The "good people" of Ferguson need to step up then, because I haven't seen any.

Then you are not looking because there were pictures all over twitter last night of peaceful protesters blocking people who were trying to loot.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Do you also think that of the cops that show up on You Tube and tea Party protests disagreeing with and disparaging elected officials and our laws? Or does it only apply when the protests involve what some here refer to as "thugs?"

If they are showing up in their uniforms, then yes, I think the same thing of them.

And like it or not, Michael Brown was a thug - the video proves that.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Then you are not looking because there were pictures all over twitter last night of peaceful protesters blocking people who were trying to loot.

I don't do twitter, so I wouldn't have seen that.

 

[RadioNate]

I don't do twitter, so I wouldn't have seen that.

Then you are missing a whole lot of information. Nearly every journalist in Ferguson is live reporting, with photo and video, the nightly events.

But as a CNN fan you should have seen the 1st sentence of the second graf on their lead story which reads "Some protesters tried to stop the looting, at times standing in front of one convenience store and preventing others from doing more damage."

There is a large gap between police doing NOTHING and police using strong armed militarized tactics.

No one agrees with the looting. But I'd bet those people are opportunists rather than citizens concerned with actual justice and change.

 

[brunette8706]

Then you are not looking because there were pictures all over twitter last night of peaceful protesters blocking people who were trying to loot.

Oh I looked alright. There were twitter accounts telling folks to burn and LOOT "white owned businesses".

Now to be fair my understanding is that some of these looters and thugs are not from Ferguson, some are coming into the community to do more damage. It's a disgrace.

 

[OurBigTrip]

There is a large gap between police doing NOTHING and police using strong armed militarized tactics.

No one agrees with the looting. But I'd bet those people are opportunists rather than citizens concerned with actual justice and change.

Capt Feelgood is the one that made the decision to do nothing - that can't be blamed on the local police force.

As for justice...the protesters aren't interested in justice, they're interested in revenge. To them, the only justice will be if Officer Wilson is tried for and convicted of murder.

 

[sunshinehighway]

. Meanwhile, Friday's release of the store-theft video by Ferguson police occurred over the objections of federal authorities, a law enforcement official told CNN on Saturday.

Ferguson police had wanted to release the video Thursday but held off when the U.S. Justice Department asked them not to, arguing that doing so would increase tensions in the community, the source said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/16/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=3

 

[RadioNate]

Capt Feelgood is the one that made the decision to do nothing - that can't be blamed on the local police force.

As for justice...the protesters aren't interested in justice, they're interested in revenge. To them, the only justice will be if Officer Wilson is tried for and convicted of murder.

Because you live in Ferguson and know these people personally so you know what each and every one of their motivations are?

 

[sunshinehighway]

CNN has a video taken from a cell phone off the shooting aftermath. It's graphic so I won't pay a link but it's easy enough to find if your are interested. Browns body is just in the street, uncovered while a crowd watches. There's no ambulance or anything s people can be heard discussing the lack of an ambulance and a woman is yelling about it. I don't know how long after the shooting the video was taken but it's long enough that a crowd had gathered, many officers are there and police tape is up. The reporters who introduced the video said Browns body was in the street uncovered for hours.

 

[brunette8706]

CNN has a video taken from a cell phone off the shooting aftermath. It's graphic so I won't pay a link but it's easy enough to find if your are interested. Browns body is just in the street, uncovered while a crowd watches. There's no ambulance or anything s people can be heard discussing the lack of an ambulance and a woman is yelling about it. I don't know how long after the shooting the video was taken but it's long enough that a crowd had gathered, many officers are there and police tape is up. The reporters who introduced the video said Browns body was in the street uncovered for hours.

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I saw that. I saw his body in the middle of the street.

 

[Suger Mag]

Because you live in Ferguson and know these people personally so you know what each and every one of their motivations are?

LOL... I am starting to suspect OurBigTrip works for the Ferguson Police dept...

 

[brunette8706]

Because you live in Ferguson and know these people personally so you know what each and every one of their motivations are?

I was flipping through the news channels and FOX was showing people cleaning up the Quick Trip. FOX also reported that Mike Brown's parents were cleaning up also. They are saying these thugs/looters are mostly coming from towns outside of Ferguson.

 

[Geoff_M]

CNN has a video taken from a cell phone off the shooting aftermath. It's graphic so I won't pay a link but it's easy enough to find if your are interested. Browns body is just in the street, uncovered while a crowd watches. There's no ambulance or anything s people can be heard discussing the lack of an ambulance and a woman is yelling about it. I don't know how long after the shooting the video was taken but it's long enough that a crowd had gathered, many officers are there and police tape is up. The reporters who introduced the video said Browns body was in the street uncovered for hours.

More importantly than what the crowd thinks, I'd ask if it's standard practice to call an ambulance if the person is determined to be deceased at the scene? I think the more appropriate call would be to the ME's office. As for covering the body, again, what's the standard practice? How long did it take for those needed to collect any forensic details to show up and complete their work? Do they want the scene left alone in the mean time?

 

[OurBigTrip]

LOL... I am starting to suspect OurBigTrip works for the Ferguson Police dept...

That's funny, because I'm beginning to suspect that you work for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

 

[OurBigTrip]

More importantly than what the crowd thinks, I'd ask if it's standard practice to call an ambulance if the person is determined to be deceased at the scene? I think the more appropriate call would be to the ME's office. As for covering the body, again, what's the standard practice? How long did it take for those needed to collect any forensic details to show up and complete their work? Do they want the scene left alone in the mean time?

Exactly.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Because you live in Ferguson and know these people personally so you know what each and every one of their motivations are?

No, because it's the same thing every time.

If there are no charges, people complain that justice wasn't served.
If there is a trial but no conviction, people complain that justice wasn't served.

The protesters are only happy when there is a conviction.

 

[RadioNate]

More importantly than what the crowd thinks, I'd ask if it's standard practice to call an ambulance if the person is determined to be deceased at the scene? I think the more appropriate call would be to the ME's office. As for covering the body, again, what's the standard practice? How long did it take for those needed to collect any forensic details to show up and complete their work? Do they want the scene left alone in the mean time?

SOP according to Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies guidelines for an officer involved shooting would be to "render aid" to the victim. IMO that means calling qualified medical personnel even if you believe the victim is dead.

I'm trying to get confirmation from a source but I believe in Chicago, paramedics are called even if the victim appears to be dead...they make that determination & the ME is called.
I've reached out to the Tribs overnight crime reporter as well as an area paramedic to verify.