How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[Gumbo4x4]

Well, that says a lot that you don't care "two flips" where stuff you share on the DIS comes from. I'll remember that in the future when I read what you post. FTR, it took me about 5 seconds to find the original source.

It was obviously an opinion piece. And it didn't even contain any relevant info in this case, so I would agree the source isn't that important. Much like the blog I referenced earlier stating "none of us know what happened".

Had the story contained evidence presented as fact regarding this specific case, then yeah the source would be relevant.

 

[robinb]

Again, what does it matter where it came from? Got it through another outlet and did not post a link to a " bad website" so what is your argument? Really? What is it that your complaining about ? because I am not clear .. Is it that I posted something that does not fit with your views? I think its pretty telling that you felt the need to "track it down" its a very clear point, not even taking sides but reminding people that someone does not have to have a weapon to kill you.
While your keeping my posts in your memory bank I will make it clear ....
- im a Republican
- pro life
- do not believe in welfare ( unless strictly controlled)
- I like G.W. Bush
- oh heck, I like all the Bush's!

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Thank you for sharing, but I don't think that was neccisary.

Actually, I would agree. Adds nothing to the conversation & is walking a thin line politically.

 

[TLSnell1981]

It was obviously an opinion piece. And it didn't even contain any relevant info in this case, so I would agree the source isn't that important. Much like the blog I referenced earlier stating "none of us know what happened".

Had the story contained evidence presented as fact regarding this specific case, then yeah the source would be relevant.

 

[livie1205]

Thank you for sharing, but I don't think that was neccisary.

You being rude was not NECESSARY, one of the things being talked about was him being unarmed, this was a viewpoint on if that matters.This opinion was not speaking about the facts of this case just about how not having a weapon does not matter. I figured I would give you some truthful info about me since you thought you knew something about me already by trying to to ask why I didnt post the link to where I got it on soldier of fortune ( not even sure i know what that is).

 

[robinb]

It was obviously an opinion piece. And it didn't even contain any relevant info in this case, so I would agree the source isn't that important. Much like the blog I referenced earlier stating "none of us know what happened".

Had the story contained evidence presented as fact regarding this specific case, then yeah the source would be relevant.

Did you provide a link or a name of the blog with your post? the thread was moving really fast and I have been away from my computer quite a bit so I missed it. You're right, livie's cut and paste was an opinion piece, but I judge opinion pieces as a whole of the author's work. I try to look up every blog quoted without a source on threads I'm interested in. PLUS, it's simply good manners to give credit to the original author ... especially if you agree with the blog post .

 

[OceanAnnie]

I am just astounded at how far this case has gone without all the facts.

 

[livie1205]

Did you provide a link or a name of the blog with your post? the thread was moving really fast and I have been away from my computer quite a bit so I missed it. You're right, livie's cut and paste was an opinion piece, but I judge opinion pieces as a whole of the author's work. I try to look up every blog quoted without a source on threads I'm interested in. PLUS, it's simply good manners to give credit to the original author ... especially if you agree with the blog post .

I have no clue who wrote it, saw it on facebook news and made a point to make it clear I did not write it, its been shared over and over and over ect ect It was a opinion and if you dont agree you dont have to but dont play online games trying to be cute.congrats to you that you found it on a certain blog.. I didnt look.
But now you have real true facts about me so if your going to play games or give backhanded insults do it about something that is true.Have a great day!

 

[Procrastinate]

I noticed a lot of discussion on the Normandy school district that Mike Brown attended and the economic demographics of Ferguson. I don't know if it is pertinent or worth noting, but I don't believe Ferguson residents attend Normandy schools. I believe they attend Ferguson-Florissant district, which is accredited.

 

[skylizard]

It was obviously an opinion piece. And it didn't even contain any relevant info in this case, so I would agree the source isn't that important. Much like the blog I referenced earlier stating "none of us know what happened".

Had the story contained evidence presented as fact regarding this specific case, then yeah the source would be relevant.

The point is a valid one in that unarmed does not equal not dangerous.
Hopefully something good can come out of all of this and some positive changes can be made.
I heard on the news that they are now installing the dash cams in the Ferguson police cars thanks to someone providing the funds for the installation (money was lacking before this).
I think it should be a requirement that every police vehicle in the US have an operational camera. That way there is transparency in every situation and both parties are held responsible for their actions.

 

[OceanAnnie]

The point is a valid one in that unarmed does not equal not dangerous.
Hopefully something good can come out of all of this and some positive changes can be made.
I heard on the news that they are now installing the dash cams in the Ferguson police cars thanks to someone providing the funds for the installation (money was lacking before this).
I think it should be a requirement that every police vehicle in the US have an operational camera. That way there is transparency in every situation and both parties are held responsible for their actions.

It is a valid point.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Did you provide a link or a name of the blog with your post? the thread was moving really fast and I have been away from my computer quite a bit so I missed it. You're right, livie's cut and paste was an opinion piece, but I judge opinion pieces as a whole of the author's work. I try to look up every blog quoted without a source on threads I'm interested in. PLUS, it's simply good manners to give credit to the original author ... especially if you agree with the blog post .

I do not judge an opinion by the source. It doesn't sway me one way or the other. I read it to gain insight to other's thoughts and viewpoints. A factual article is different . Although, I still research the information. A statement can be accurate, but not true.

 

[sam_gordon]

Did you provide a link or a name of the blog with your post? the thread was moving really fast and I have been away from my computer quite a bit so I missed it. You're right, livie's cut and paste was an opinion piece, but I judge opinion pieces as a whole of the author's work. I try to look up every blog quoted without a source on threads I'm interested in. PLUS, it's simply good manners to give credit to the original author ... especially if you agree with the blog post .

I'm confused about the bolded. Are you saying if an opinion piece is written by someone you disagree with (in general), you'll automatically disagree with the individual piece? I guess if that's the case, if someone you agree with brings up the same points, then it's "ok"?

I do think any copy/pasting, whether factual items or opinion pieces should have links back to the original. Or at least "I saw this posted on FB". I don't think it's too much to ask whoever copy/pastes to do the research to provide that information.

 

[design_mom]

I think it should be a requirement that every police vehicle in the US have an operational camera. That way there is transparency in every situation and both parties are held responsible for their actions.

Would a dash-cam have made a difference in this instance though? Every dash cam video I've seen on TV has just shown what was directly in front of the patrol car. (It doesn't even seem to give particularly good video of a traffic stop. You could tell if the car drove away, but you can't see the driver well. Even if an altercation occurred between the officer and the driver of the car, it would be unlikely you'd be able to tell who started it or whether the driver reached for something, etc. It would still be a major case of "he said, she said.")

It sounds like the Mike Brown incident mostly either occurred at the side window of the cruiser or after the officer exited the cruiser. Unless the cruiser/dash cam was pointed "just so," it doesn't sound like it would have made any difference in this particular case.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I am just astounded at how far this case has gone without all the facts.

I'm not. This isn't even about Michael Brown or Ferguson police. It's a PR game. Reportedly, most of the arrests this week were NOT residents, but

 

[skylizard]

Would a dash-cam have made a difference in this instance though? Every dash cam video I've seen on TV has just shown what was directly in front of the patrol car. (It doesn't even seem to give particularly good video of a traffic stop. You could tell if the car drove away, but you can't see the driver well. Even if an altercation occurred between the officer and the driver of the car, it would be unlikely you'd be able to tell who started it or whether the driver reached for something, etc. It would still be a major case of "he said, she said.")

It sounds like the Mike Brown incident mostly either occurred at the side window of the cruiser or after the officer exited the cruiser. Unless the cruiser/dash cam was pointed "just so," it doesn't sound like it would have made any difference in this particular case.

Hmmmm, good point. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how dash cams work. I think it'd be a good idea to have one both filming inside and outside of the car. Don't they have cams on hats/helmets too? I think that'd be a good idea as well.
In this case, if the cam had been pointing out, it would have at least given some clarity on whether or not Brown had his hands up or was charging the officer. So it would've been better than no cam at all.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Due process simply isn't an option 100% of the time. Sometimes it's kill or be killed. And if that's the case here, then justice was served. That's why they call it "justifiable homicide".

If Wilson denied Brown his due process, that is one thing. If Brown denied it to himself because of his own actions, that's another.

And Wilson is currently the one who is owed due process.

Wilson is getting due process. Brown did not. Even assuming that the use of deadly force was totally legal and justified, there was not due process.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I do not judge an opinion by the source. It doesn't sway me one way or the other. I read it to gain insight to other's thoughts and viewpoints. A factual article is different . Although, I still research the information. A statement can be accurate, but not true.

"Stolen" from an interesting source . . . Verifiability, not truth. ETA: I stole it, not any pp.

"To say it in a few words: there are no universal truths in social sciences. As said earlier, there are facts, opinions, facts about opinions and opinions about opinions. Only facts have a truth value, and even then, it's much weaker than for maths and logics."

 

[livie1205]

In regards to the name of this thread from THE WASHINGTON POST



According to the Washington Post, a looter in Ferguson, Missouri, expressed pride and admiration for looters and said their actions are justified.

“I’m proud of us. We deserve this, and this is what’s supposed to happen when there’s injustice in your community,” said DeAndre Smith, whom the Washington Post says was “fresh from looting the QuikTrip.”



THIS is so sad for the people that live here and the people that follow the law, some people will use anything as a excuse to act this way. Its sad they are using this young mans death as a reason to steal!

 

[Luvchefmic]

Unless anyone here is an attorney, the " due process " term is being thrown around freely here. It would take quite a bit of time to read the actual LEGAL definition and there are two definitions. Understanding it takes time also. Might want to put on a pot of coffee and sit for a bit.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Due+Process+of+Law