How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[TLSnell1981]

There are countless legal exceptions made, including government contracts themselves. Just as an example - For the 2nd time in my life, I'm working for a "disadvantaged business". We receive special privileges because the owned is female and 1/32nd Cherokee.

Okay, she grew up on the res...or at least, an immediate family member?

BTW..thought you had to be 1/16th or more?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Okay, she grew up on the res...or at least, an immediate family member?

BTW..thought you had to be 1/16th or more?

She didn't even know it was in her blood until a few years ago. Thinking back to when it happened, I am trying to remember the exact cutoff again.

It was either that she is 1/16 and 1/32 is the cutoff.
Or, she's 1/32 and 1/64 is the cutoff.

I apologize on that one.

 

[CPT Tripss]

What have white males had to overcome? How about diversity programs? I have been told flat out I was the best candidate for a job, but I didn't fit the company's diversity goals.

Oh, and the discrimination among various shades of black has been going on in Africa longer than any white man has even known about the existence of Africa.

GUMBO, Federal law prohibits discrimination based on race and gender. So being passed over because you are a white male would be illegal. Of course, proving that was why it happened is always tough (just like when it happens to other races).

I'm sure that life would be sooooo much easier on a lot of us if we were black, or some other minority, rather than having to deal with a little of the white privilege we have had "forced" on us.

I hate to break it to you all, but way back in the good ole days before AA, jobs didn't go to the best qualified white person for the job. Nope - gender, school tie, fraternal organization and family connections all were much more important.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I'm sure that life would be sooooo much easier on a lot of us if we were black, or some other minority, rather than having to deal with a little of the white privilege we have had "forced" on us.

I hate to break it to you all, but way back in the good ole days before AA, jobs didn't go to the best qualified white person for the job. Nope - gender, school tie, fraternal organization and family connections all were much more important.

The point isn't that I somehow have it worse than anyone else. The point is that (a) two wrongs don't make a right. And (b) even if the grass is greener over here, it's not as green as you imagine.

As to the second part, no kidding. All those things still play a part.

 

[TLSnell1981]

She didn't even know it was in her blood until a few years ago. Thinking back to when it happened, I am trying to remember the exact cutoff again.

It was either that she is 1/16 and 1/32 is the cutoff.
Or, she's 1/32 and 1/64 is the cutoff.

I apologize on that one.

It depends on which tribe, but I think, the minimum is 1/16 for federal money. Some tribes do not require a minimum, but you must be a direct descendant of an original enrollee.

 

[OK!]

Saw also the STL Rams have invited the 3 local HS football teams to use their practice facilities

Very cool!

As a former St. Louisan now living in Orlando, it's killing me, watching this BS play out on the news every night.

 

[rickybobby]

How often has that happened? Have you been repeatedly denied jobs because you were white? Now, imagine how all of those black people that STILL get passed over for jobs feel. Imagine what it's like to be in Ferguson and not be able to protect and serve the very place that you grew up in. Majority black community with a majority white police force. And no, it was not only whites that applied.

I took the postal exam for mailhandlers, made a 92 while a black friend also took the test, making a 75. He was hired immediately, I got called to come work there after being on the waiting list 2 more years.
If you ask the postal service for their policy on hiring, they tell you it is private.

 

[Disneychick75]

Lol! The Italian mobster stereotype is only in a small percentage of the country. Same for the Irish. Not many mobsters in Louisiana. But, black people have these issues all over the world. Black soccer players get bananas thrown at them, etc.... It's NOT excuses. It's oppression. It's so bad that Blacks hate other blacks based on skin color. There is a perception that the lighter you are, the prettier you are. The straighter your hair is, the "better" it is. So if an Italian, an Irishman, and a black man all applied for a job, do you honestly believe that the black guy would be at the top of the list?
How about if the police stopped all 3, who's more likely to get arrested or harmed? Also, how many Irishman were killed because people thought they were drunks?


I wholeheartedly disagree. From my experience, whites are more likely to "speak up" in most cases. I have seen countless videos of white people questioning and even cursing police during all types of interactions with police. The problem is that black people are viewed as a threat. 2 black men are killed by police every week in America, yet white males are their biggest threat. Cops are killed mostly by white men.

Yes, there are lots of them. Pretty much the only one people heard about was Uncle Carlos.

The first night our 15 yo son got his driver's license, he was pulled over by a policeman for not coming to a full stop. The officer made him raise his hands and lean on the hood of the car. He was treated like a criminal for a relatively minor infraction. It was 11 at night( this was before curfews for new drivers) in our subdivision. The officer pulled a pistol on our son. Luckily, he had a partner with him who calmed him down. We had to go to the jail to pick up our son. The partner said he didn't know why the other guy had acted that way because our son was very polite. The mean officer was black. We did call the chief of police to let him know about the officer. None of us held a grudge and you can believe our DS has come to a complete stop ever since.

How often has that happened? Have you been repeatedly denied jobs because you were white? Now, imagine how all of those black people that STILL get passed over for jobs feel. Imagine what it's like to be in Ferguson and not be able to protect and serve the very place that you grew up in. Majority black community with a majority white police force. And no, it was not only whites that applied.

These are the minimum requirements in St. Louis County for attending the academy:
MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS FOR OPEN ENROLLMENT APPLICANT
AGE REQUIREMENT: Must be at least 21 years of age, or applicant must reach their 21st birthday by the time of completion of the Academy training course.
RESIDENCY: Must be a citizen of the United States.
EDUCATION: Documentary proof of high school education or presentation of a “State High School Equivalency” certificate, with accompanying score sheet.
VISION: Vision in each eye must be correctable to 20/20.
ARREST RECORD: Must be free from conviction of a Felony. A Class “A” Misdemeanor conviction will be cause for immediate dismissal, unless otherwise directed by the Chief of Police.
DRIVER’S LICENSE: Must possess a valid Operator’s License by date of employment by a police agency and
have five (5) or less points charged against his/her driving record at the time of application for the program.
MILITARY: Must have an Honorable discharge, or Under Honorable Conditions discharge if having served in
the military.

The most important requirement is applying. If children are brought up not to respect police, then it isn't likely they will apply for the job. It's kind of like people complaining that white people hold most of the offices in that area yet a Think Progress article, reported that many blacks in the area don't vote. It's usually 3:1 whites voting compared to blacks lacks in local elections.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rguson-can-enact-to-prevent-another-standoff/
There is voter registration booth on the street where Brown was shot which is good. If people want more blacks representing them both in the police dept. and in local gov't, they need to participate in the process.

 

[Geoff_M]

We can play she said he said all day long. So because you claim to have seen it play out first hand that's it case closed. You're right I'm wrong. Sorry I have lived on this earth almost 60 years. I have seen much too.

Debating this statistic or that, doesn't tell anything about what transpired in the death of Michael Brown. You cannot apply group statistics to any given incident. If someone wishes to imply, due to research that concludes that overall police are harder on African American youths than white kids, that it's likely that racial profiling was at work when Wilson decided to engage Brown & Johnson or when Wilson decided to consider Brown a threat to his life and overreacted... then should be also use the statistic that a large majority of investigations into police shooting determine that they were "justifiable" as the basis to believe that Officer Wilson's actions were warranted???

 

[luvsJack]

Yes, there are lots of them. Pretty much the only one people heard about was Uncle Carlos.

The first night our 15 yo son got his driver's license, he was pulled over by a policeman for not coming to a full stop. The officer made him raise his hands and lean on the hood of the car. He was treated like a criminal for a relatively minor infraction. It was 11 at night( this was before curfews for new drivers) in our subdivision. The officer pulled a pistol on our son. Luckily, he had a partner with him who calmed him down. We had to go to the jail to pick up our son. The partner said he didn't know why the other guy had acted that way because our son was very polite. The mean officer was black. We did call the chief of police to let him know about the officer. None of us held a grudge and you can believe our DS has come to a complete stop ever since.

So you were ok with the way your son was treated for no reason? There was no excuse for that behavior and what happens when the officer loses it the next time and his partner can't stop him or isn't there?

I believe that you can respect without allowing that kind of behavior.

In cases like yours and with my own son, it doesn't matter whether the officer is black or white. Some black officers are just as prejudice as any white officer can be. Some more so.

 

[Disneychick75]

So you were ok with the way your son was treated for no reason? There was no excuse for that behavior and what happens when the officer loses it the next time and his partner can't stop him or isn't there?

I believe that you can respect without allowing that kind of behavior.

In cases like yours and with my own son, it doesn't matter whether the officer is black or white. Some black officers are just as prejudice as any white officer can be. Some more so.

I posted that we called the Chief of Police to report the officer.

 

[luvsJack]

I posted that we called the Chief of Police to report the officer.

Sorry, I went back and re-read. Missed that.

 

[Disneychick75]

Sorry, I went back and re-read. Missed that.

No problem

 

[MrsPete]

I can only guess if a cop pumped 9 bullets into your unarmed child's head that you wouldn't be against these so called riots. There are MANY eyewitnesses who have the same story - the boy ran, stopped, and put his hands in the air and then executed. First the cop car had a dash cam then it didn't. Now the officer is on paid vacation. Welcome to the 1960's again, except more cities were on fire then.

This is disgusting.

I don't think anyone's made positive comments about the police or the way they've handled the incident . . . nor has anyone said these people shouldn't be protesting -- Peaceful protest and peaceful assembly are the type of things protected by the Constitution.

But rioting by definition is violent, and more violence doesn't fix what's happening.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I can only guess if a cop pumped 9 bullets into your unarmed child's head

Of course, except for the unarmed part, none of this is correct.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I don't think anyone's made positive comments about the police or the way they've handled the incident . . . nor has anyone said these people shouldn't be protesting -- Peaceful protest and peaceful assembly are the type of things protected by the Constitution.

But rioting by definition is violent, and more violence doesn't fix what's happening.

Actually posters have said those things.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Of course, except for the unarmed part, none of this is correct.

And the poster is probably unaware--most any time any officer shoots any suspect--they go on paid admin leave or maybe a desk job for a short period of time. Shooting someone is a big deal. It switches to non paid if wrongdoing is suspected. The officer that threatened he would shoot a protestor is on unpaid leave at the moment as it was not an appropriate action.


That there is that semantics issue of "riot".

No riot on Salt Lake City that I am aware of.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't think anyone's made positive comments about the police or the way they've handled the incident . . . nor has anyone said these people shouldn't be protesting -- Peaceful protest and peaceful assembly are the type of things protected by the Constitution.

But rioting by definition is violent, and more violence doesn't fix what's happening.

Actually posters have said those things.

Pretty sure general consensus is that no posters have said the violence is okay. I have seen where they "understood" it which is not the same as approving of it. Personally, I don't get the difference. But they were making it clear they were not approving it.

And no one has said positive things about the police department. Mostly folks holding out for the PD's investigation and giving benefit of the doubt. That is not the same as a positive stamp of approval on the fabulous job Ferguson PD has done this far. Being patient with the process is not the same as blowing sunshine and rainbows and celebrating the efforts or lack of effort.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Prettier sure general consensus is that no posters have said the violence is okay. I have seen where they "understood" it which is not the same as approving of it. Personally, I don't get the difference. But they were making it clear they were not approving it.

And no one has said positive things about the police department. Mostly folks holding out for the PD's investigation and giving benefit of the doubt. That is not the same as a positive stamp of approval on the fabulous job Ferguson PD has done this far. Being patient with the process is not the same as blowing sunshine and rainbows and celebrating the efforts or lack of effort.

I don't remember anyone saying violence is Ok (it wouldn't completely surprise me if someone did though). Posters have certainly said people should not be protesting and see no difference between protestors and the looters. There has also been many posts defending the way the police have been handling the situation. I'm not talking about the shooting but the aftermath.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

I don't remember anyone saying violence is Ok (it wouldn't completely surprise me if someone did though). Posters have certainly said people should not be protesting and see no difference between protestors and the looters. There has also been many posts defending the way the police have been handling the situation. I'm not talking about the shooting but the aftermath.

I have said they should wait until all facts are out to protest. Right now, it looks like a lynch mob.