Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[Dolce27]

It's good to see that the people supporting their candidates roll pretty much inline with their candidates. Are there a lot of HC supporters going negative on the Obama thread? I know he's a new style of politician and won't go negative and that's one of the things his peeps like so much about him, right?

This thing is in the bag for your side right? Maybe if you say it enough you'll start to believe it. Better get back to those phone banks, though.

There aren't a lot – really, if any - HC supporters pulling this crap on the Obama thread. The Obama people just keep popping up over here to sir up stuff and then complain about us back on their thread. I've been lurking and they're all about how 'hateful' we are on the HC thread right now. Want to talk about hate? Many of the hateful things said on the Obama thread about Hillary make me go By far, I believe that to be the more hateful thread of the two.

We just need to ignore these types of people. We try to have a discussion here and they try to turn it into a fight. If we all ignore them than perhaps they’ll get bored and will leave. There are nice Obama supporters that have been on this thread that weren’t here to stir the pot or start a fight … but sadly it’s the ones who are on here to cause trouble that outshine the good ones and that’s just sad.

 

[DISUNC]

Hillary is ALL OVER the PA news today, she was in the Pittsburgh St Paddy's day parade this am, and then flew to the Scranton St Paddy's day parade this afternoon.

Obama is in Indiana!

Let him run with that for a while. He has just thrown out his own argument to not count the two states because that's what they agreed to. Prior to this statement he actually had a little bit of moral high road even though I never though you could go into Denver and not seat those states. Now he's suggested two options 1)split them, or 2) don't count them. Both of those options do not in anyway reflect the will of the voters of the two states.

This just is another example that Obama wants to be President to fill his own ego!

If they DONT do 'do overs'...the GOP will have a field day with 'illegitimate candidate" come the General election.

I believe they can go anywhere. I think Edwards has 21 or something like that. If he endorsed a candidate, they usually fall in line I think.

 

[Planogirl]

Let him run with that for a while. He has just thrown out his own argument to not count the two states because that's what they agreed to. Prior to this statement he actually had a little bit of moral high road even though I never though you could go into Denver and not seat those states. Now he's suggested two options 1)split them, or 2) don't count them. Both of those options do not in anyway reflect the will of the voters of the two states.

What?!!! No way!

I would agree that the party messed this one up big time but the solution is not to disenfranchise voters. The voter's right to have a say in the election process supercedes the party's rules IMO.

 

[JARNJ3]

Hillary is ALL OVER the PA news today, she was in the Pittsburgh St Paddy's day parade this am, and then flew to the Scranton St Paddy's day parade this afternoon.

Obama is in Indiana!




This just is another example that Obama wants to be President to fill his own ego!

If they DONT do 'do overs'...the GOP will have a field day with 'illegitimate candidate" come the General election.

Obama's new strategy is that if he doesn't lose PA by more than 10 points - it was successful for him.

He's trying to sit on the delegate lead gained by winning in red states that won't turn blue in the general.

I just have a bad feeling he'll be trounced come November........ (if he's the Dem candidate).

 

[DISUNC]

Obama's new strategy is that if he doesn't lose PA by more than 10 points - it was successful for him.

He is gonna loose by ALOT more than that!

More of a reason for a recount......DNC donors STOPPED giving $$$$$
I think Howard Deans days are numbered!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/u...&ex=1206158400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

 

[punkin]

He is gonna loose by ALOT more than that!

More of a reason for a recount......DNC donors STOPPED giving $$$$$
I think Howard Deans days are numbered!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/u...&ex=1206158400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

Not only did they stop giving, they want their money back.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

He is gonna loose by ALOT more than that!

More of a reason for a recount......DNC donors STOPPED giving $$$$$
I think Howard Deans days are numbered!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/u...&ex=1206158400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

I'm a Hillary supporter but Dean is in a no win situation. I think he's a good man for the job and will eventually do what is right for the democratic party...Why are you so negative on him? Who will we get to lead the party better?

 

[punkin]

I'm a Hillary supporter but Dean is in a no win situation. I think he's a good man for the job and will eventually do what is right for the democratic party...Why are you so negative on him? Who will we get to lead the party better?

Then he better do something about counting Michigan and Florida.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Isn't he? I mean this is negotiating and everybody wants what's best for "themselves" ... Doesn't he have to walk the line, try to appease the majority?

I too think MI and FL MUST COUNT but I don't blame Dean for trying to do his job as National Director. It clearly WAS NOT his fault that MI and FL did what they did.

 

[punkin]

I think there is plenty of blame to go around. It was a fiasco from the beginning. The states should not have rushed to have their primaries first and the DNC should not have disenfranchised so many voters. I do not dislike Dean, but he has not done anything yet other than say the DNC won't pay for anything. If he forks over some money for a real revote, I would like him better.

 

[DISUNC]

I'm a Hillary supporter but Dean is in a no win situation. I think he's a good man for the job and will eventually do what is right for the democratic party...Why are you so negative on him? Who will we get to lead the party better?

He is the one who decided not to count the Fl & MI votes. BAD move!

 

[Hound 109]

What?!!! No way!

I would agree that the party messed this one up big time but the solution is not to disenfranchise voters. The voter's right to have a say in the election process supercedes the party's rules IMO.

Agreed.

If BO doesn't support a redo in MI & a redo (or recognize the existing popular vote totals) in FL, than he is SUPPORTING DISENFRANCHISING the voters from these two swing states.

He's also trying to snuff out the popular vote. Thus he's guilty of the very thing that he's suggesting that he's been running against...cynical politics as usual.

HC needs to get out in front on this. Offer 20 Million & demand a redo (& drop the "count the original FL vote" option). Show BO as the cynical politico that he is & NOT "the pure as the driven snow" new kind of politician that he pretends to be.

The only way to have a legitimate Democratic Nominee is to determine who wins the popular vote (since the delegate count is irrelevent at this point). If they disenfranchise MI & FL, then they've neutered the eventual nominee & they've made it more likely that FL & MI could go republican. Both of these are unacceptible.

Any candidate or DNC leader who can't see this needs to look past their little fishpond. What good is having a "Chairman of the Democratic Party" if he can't ensure that democrats......get to vote.

He's talented & a good orator.....but I'm seeing hypocrocy in BO....in a new & shocking way each of the last 3 days.

 

[DISUNC]

I think there is plenty of blame to go around. It was a fiasco from the beginning. The states should not have rushed to have their primaries first and the DNC should not have disenfranchised so many voters. I do not dislike Dean, but he has not done anything yet other than say the DNC won't pay for anything. If he forks over some money for a real revote, I would like him better.

He already said that the DNC will NOT pay for it. They dont have the $.

Remember, after Super Tuesday, he had Kerry & Kennedy suggest that Hillary should drop out. If Hillary did drop out, then this problem would have went away!

Also I have been around a fair share of rich & powerful men in my day...The one thing that scares them more than anything is a Powerful woman. So I am not too convinced that the leaders of the DNC are all too happy with Hillary staying in this race. Me thinks there is ome in house struggles going on.

 

[punkin]

He already said that the DNC will NOT pay for it. They dont have the $.

Remember, after Super Tuesday, he had Kerry & Kennedy suggest that Hillary should drop out. If Hillary did drop out, then this problem would have went away!

Also I have been around a fair share of rich & powerful men in my day...The one thing that scares them more than anything is a Powerful woman. So I am not too convinced that the leaders of the DNC are all too happy with Hillary staying in this race. Me thinks there is ome in house struggles going on.

I know that's what he said and that's precisely why I am blaming him. I am sure they will find the money somewhere if enough big donors demand their money back!

I don't think the DNC should pay for the entire thing, mind you, but some portion since it was in large part their fault. Fla and Mich should kick in some money and so should Clinton and Obama. There has to be a revote or whoever does not get the nom will be screaming "illegitimate" candidate and so will the Republicans.

 

[chobie]

He is the one who decided not to count the Fl & MI votes. BAD move!

Yes, but he also helped in major way to turn the House and Senate back to the Democrats. If he can keep that up, then he has earned my respect.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Yes, but he also helped in major way to turn the House and Senate back to the Democrats. If he can keep that up, then he has earned my respect.

Rahm Emmanual (Il) was in charge of going around and hand picking the candidates who could win in places they've never won before. He's one of the few people in Il that hasn't backed Obama because he wouldn't be where he was without the Clintons.

 

[DISUNC]

Yes, but he also helped in major way to turn the House and Senate back to the Democrats. If he can keep that up, then he has earned my respect.

The house & senate went back to the democrats because of the former republicans who had those positions. People had ENOUGH of them.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

He is the one who decided not to count the Fl & MI votes. BAD move!

Sure but hindsight is 20/20 ... When FL and MI were posturing and threats were being made no one atually thought this would be such a dogfight. In retrospect he (Dean) certainly should have taken it more seriously but that, again, is hindsight.

Dean has done much for the dems and I'm saddened by the proliferation of so much 'us or them' infighting. From my perspective both sides have too many supporters who want 'my way or the highway' and that attitude has precluded an open mind and it's bitten both camps in the behind to the point that we now we need to be scared of McCain, which was nothing but a joke just a few short months ago.

 

[DISUNC]

Sure but hindsight is 20/20 ... When FL and MI were posturing and threats were being made no one atually thought this would be such a dogfight. In retrospect he (Dean) certainly should have taken it more seriously but that, again, is hindsight.

IMO I have posted this before, Never trust any Government, Political party or Person who takes votes away from anybody! Always, Always ALWAYS a horrible thing. The fact that he took the votes away and people said OK. Is a scary thing in my book.
So this hindsight is 20/20 is bogus too me.

Dean has done much for the dems and I'm saddened by the proliferation of so much 'us or them' infighting. From my perspective both sides have too many supporters who want 'my way or the highway' and that attitude has precluded an open mind and it's bitten both camps in the behind to the point that we now we need to be scared of McCain, which was nothing but a joke just a few short months ago.

Absolutely correct!!! Again I put this problem on Deans doorstep, along with Edwards dropping out before Super Tuesday. However, I have no idea what is going on behind closed doors at the DNC...BUT I do know whatever it is...they are making some really bad decisions.
The fact that Edwards has been soooooooo quiet since he dropped out, is a 'tell tale" sign to me the something aint 'kosher' at the DNC.

However as of today there is no going back (except for the Fl & MI do overs ).
Also i see no problem with letting the primaries play out till the end. I'd rather we get it right, then get it fast!

We wont even start going against McCain until this is resolved.

 

[Planogirl]

The fact that Edwards has been soooooooo quiet since he dropped out, is a 'tell tale" sign to me the something aint 'kosher' at the DNC.

Could you expand on this? I'm a fan of his and I can't quite figure out why he's been so quiet. I thought that maybe he's hoping for spots in someone's Cabinet but I wonder...