Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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Reading the thread about Obama's preacher, I am seriously concerned. There are the usual conservative suspects spouting off, but there are also quite a few people you never see on the political threads saying how they cannot trust Obama now. If he gets the nomination (I hope not, but if), I think the Dems are dead in the water. President McCain here we come. :sad2:

Honestly I always said that if Obama gets the nod, McCain will become the next president. The GOP knows this too (thats why republicans have been voting for him in the open primaries)
 
Sorry, I missed it. :flower3:

but I agree with you 100%. This really looks bad to me. After this, the Jewish vote is gone from him completely. I think the white male vote is also in trouble. He'll be left with the black vote and the ultra-liberal guilty yuppies. That is not enough to carry an election.

At this point we can only pray the Superdelegates do their job and pick a viable candidate. :headache:

Oh man! Leave it to the Democratic Party to screw up an election that was all but handed to them and tied up with a pretty bow!
 
Honestly I always said that if Obama gets the nod, McCain will become the next president. The GOP knows this too (thats why republicans have been voting for him in the open primaries)

I thought Rush told them all to vote for Hillary?
 

Oh man! Leave it to the Democratic Party to screw up an election that was all but handed to them and tied up with a pretty bow!

We should have known it from the start. That seems to be our party's modus operandi.
 
I think this puts a fork in the whole "Dream Team" thing too. Do you think Pelosi knew about this? :)
 
I thought Rush told them all to vote for Hillary?
He said THAT after all the Open Primaries where done & finished. So much for that!

We should have known it from the start. That seems to be our party's modus operandi.

yuuuuuuup

I think this puts a fork in the whole "Dream Team" thing too. Do you think Pelosi knew about this? :)

Never was gonna happen anyway. :sad2:
I will put $$$$$ that Hillary will choose Wesley Clark.

Now you all know that Hillary is on :cloud9: tonight, and even mccain is doing :banana:
 
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This thread looks pretty good right now. I hope that it stays civil.

I see a double standard going on too and it's troubling. I know of a few good Liberals who just about went to pieces during the Ferraro thing and for some reason, this pastor seems different somehow. I personally don't like it but I expect that Obama will handle it right given a chance.
 
There is a double standard when it comes to Clinton and Obama.

I feel that the Obama supporters think that he has already won this nomination now - and because Hillary hasn't conceded - she is evil - the enemy so to speak.

The pastor's video will definitely be used against Obama in the general (should he get there) - and I fear it will turn off the independents. I can honestly see McCain winning this thing .........

unless the dream ticket becomes a reality.........

my two cents.....

Agreed.

One of the reasons i supported HC (after Dodd was a non-starter & Edwards fizzled out) was that she was the "devil i knew". Plus i knew she was tough & up to the long haul challenge.

I didn't want her to listen to those who wanted her to concede (before TX & Ohio) because:

1 - I like her.
2 - I didn't know Obama very well.

I'm glad she didn't concede. Let the vetting begin in earnest.

On to Penn, Mi, FL, NC, Indiana & the rest.

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I think this puts a fork in the whole "Dream Team" thing too. Do you think Pelosi knew about this? :)

This saddens me. It would be an historical ticket - and I think with her votes and his votes - a ticket that would be hard to beat in November.

If Obama doesn't get the nom - some of his supporters stay home. If Clinton doesn't get the nom - some of her supporters vote for McCain. This doesn't seem to bother people.......

Seriously folks - I can see McCain stealing this thing without the combined ticket.

I don't know what Pelosi was thinking when she said that it couldn't be........

And on a separate note - she's been such a disappointment to me on many levels since beoming the Speaker.......
 
From Politico.com

Don't discount a Clinton ticket's strength in Ohio

By: John Fortier
Mar 12, 2008 08:30 PM EST


It’s Nov. 5, 2008, in Ohio, and Barack Obama has just lost the presidency to John McCain. The result was confirmed when Columbiana County reported a 500-vote margin for McCain. Party leaders, heads in their hands, moan in unison, “How could this have happened?”

Then a voice from the back of the room chimes in. “I know,” says long-forgotten second-place finisher Hillary Rodham Clinton. “You should have nominated me. Did you see how well I did in Ohio and the 6th District? I would have had a chance with blue-collar voters, and I would be your president.”

A far-fetched scenario perhaps, but many Ohio Democrats are wondering whether Clinton might be more electable than Obama. Clinton dominated rural and blue-collar districts such as Ohio’s 6th in the March 4 primary. And lunch pail and breadbasket voters are key swing voters, concentrated in the competitive battleground states.

The 6th Congressional District gave Clinton, who won 70 percent of the vote, her widest margin of victory of any district in Ohio. The district starts in Northeast Ohio, on the Pennsylvania border in Mahoning County, just south of Youngstown. It continues along the borders of West Virginia and, ultimately, Kentucky, following the banks of the Ohio River. It is about 50 percent rural and 31 percent blue collar, according to The Almanac of American Politics. Clinton won every county easily. Only in Athens County, home of Ohio University, did she fail to break 60 percent.

The rural and blue-collar voters of Ohio are likely to be more important swing voters than those Obama courts. Obama appeals to independents, but to young, educated and upscale independents. Picture the guy consulting on his MacBook Air in Starbucks, not the cable guy. Take California, for example, which Clinton won but where Obama won independents by more than 20 points. A recent study by the Public Policy Institute of California found that the state’s independent voters were younger and more educated, and favored Democrats over Republicans by 13 points. These independents are Obama voters, but most would likely vote for any Democrat in a general election.

On the other hand, rural and blue-collar voters are more up for grabs. Whether you call them Reagan Democrats, Perot voters, NASCAR dads or security moms, they are not completely at home with either party. In some instances, economic populism might incline them to vote for Democrats, while traditional morals, patriotism or distrust of government can pull them into the Republican camp. Most importantly, these voters are concentrated in key Midwestern battleground states.

Ohio is ground zero for the November election, and Clinton won it impressively. In 2004, a switch of Ohio’s 20 electoral votes to John F. Kerry would have put him in the White House. Clinton should also play well in Michigan and Pennsylvania, two big states that lean slightly Democratic.

Obama can claim recent victories in Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri and Wisconsin, each with good chunks of rural and blue-collar voters. But even in those states, Clinton’s strength was among working-class voters who will be more up for grabs in the general election.

Ohio’s 6th is a swing district at the presidential level, but Democrats have held the House seat in recent years. President Bush won it with 51 percent of the vote, but Democratic Rep. Charlie Wilson took the district handily in his first run in 2006 and looks safe in 2008. Before Wilson, the district was held by now-Gov. Ted Strickland, a Democrat. Clinton won easily in other rural and blue-collar districts, but Strickland gave her an additional boost in the 6th District, which also ensures that he will be on the vice presidential short list. A Clinton-Strickland ticket would be formidable in Ohio.

Clinton at the top of the ticket would benefit a number of freshman Democrats whose districts look like Ohio’s 6th: Zack Space, whose district borders the 6th, and Christopher P. Carney, who represents Pennsylvania’s 10th District. Even Minnesota’s Timothy J. Walz and Wisconsin’s Steve Kagen, who have endorsed Obama, might find that a Clinton general election campaign would speak more to the concerns of their constituents. And Clinton’s appeal to working-class voters could help Democrats compete in rural, blue-collar Republican seats like Tim Walberg’s in Michigan. Of course, Obama’s campaign would play well in suburban districts, which would aid other candidates. But a large number of Democratic freshman and Republican open seats represent districts where Clinton’s appeal to white working-class voters would resonate.

Last week’s Clinton win has blue-collar Democrats grumbling that Obama might succeed in attracting more young, socially liberal and African-American voters but give an opening to McCain to appeal to the white working class.

That is the argument that Clinton is trying to make to her own party, a message that may have gotten through in Ohio but that will need to resound more strongly for her to win the nomination.

John Fortier is a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute
 
Reading the thread about Obama's preacher, I am seriously concerned. There are the usual conservative suspects spouting off, but there are also quite a few people you never see on the political threads saying how they cannot trust Obama now. If he gets the nomination (I hope not, but if), I think the Dems are dead in the water. President McCain here we come. :sad2:


I agree, if Obama gets the nom...the election is over McCain will be President. NO WAY would general America support Obama. You don't think there are more skeletons in Obama's closet! I think this is only the beginning.

I just pray the Supers also realize that Obama can not win the general election and support Hillary. I can't say she would beat McCain wholeheartedly, it will be a fight, but at least she would have a fighting chance.

Obama would be toast
 
I think this puts a fork in the whole "Dream Team" thing too. Do you think Pelosi knew about this? :)


The you will probably have to put a fork in Hillary winning. It's all going to come down to the numbers and getting every democrat to get out and vote democrat. If large numbers of Obama voters sit this one out we won't win this one.


Although Wesley Clark sounds good, he and Hillary together cannot beat McCain for military, CIC experience. If people are voting primarily for a strong CIC, they will vote for McCain.

We need to start looking at the big picture.
 
Well - how convenient. I am calling shenanigans. I gotta say that I just don't buy it. It is not like Wright said these things this week and Obama jumped all over himself to denounce the statements. I see time and time again where Obama has had the opportunity to stand up against this but does not until he is forced for political expediency.

One of the clips is from 9/16/2001! Even if that was the first time that Wright had said something like this - that still means Obama stuck with him for 7 years!

Louis Farrakhan received the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award a year ago but Obama did not speak out against that until this January. That relationship goes back to at least the mid-eighties.

We are not talking about a simple endorsement here. We are talking about a close, personal and long standing relationship here. Obama says he is qualified to run because he has sound judgment. This, along with the Rezko stuff shows that his judgment is not sound.

Oh and please - the whole 'even if he said it - I didn't know about it'. Even Wright knew his association would hurt Obama - how can Obama say that he was clueless? You look at the reactions of the members of that congregation - it is not the first time that they are hearing this stuff nor does it look like an unwelcome message.

I am looking at the big picture. Even if this blows over for now and all Dems let it slide - I can guarantee you this will all be back front and center in the general election. Louder and larger. How many military votes will Obama hold onto when the GOP starts running the inevitable "God Damn America" ads? How much of the Jewish vote with stick with him when they unearth (or doctor) photos of Wright, Farrakhan and Gadaffi and then pair it with the smiling photo of Obama and Wright? And so on and so forth.

I am sorry but there is no way Obama will get elected in the general election. I do not take any joy in this because for all the supposed support for Hillary should she be the nom - I really see that if Obama drops out over this or the Supers sway with the wind and she becomes the nom - all that support will dry up and fall away as the disenchanted Obama supporters take their ball and go home.
 
I am sorry but there is no way Obama will get elected in the general election. I do not take any joy in this because for all the supposed support for Hillary should she be the nom - I really see that if Obama drops out over this or the Supers sway with the wind and she becomes the nom - all that support will dry up and fall away as the disenchanted Obama supporters take their ball and go home.

That's the way I see it. Additionally, there are many Obama supporters that liked him because he wasn't a "regular" politician. When they seen all this dirt and he responds like every other politician, they will be rather disappointed, so even if he is the nominee, they may take their ball and go home.
 
Whatever. Just know I'll have all your backs if Hillary gets the nomination and the cons turn on her like they are on Obama right now. And the vitriol they have for Obama now will be no less than the vitriol they will have for Hillary.
 
Whatever. Just know I'll have all your backs if Hillary gets the nomination and the cons turn on her like they are on Obama right now.

Of course, they'll turn on her. That was never in doubt.
 
The you will probably have to put a fork in Hillary winning. It's all going to come down to the numbers and getting every democrat to get out and vote democrat. If large numbers of Obama voters sit this one out we won't win this one. .

No doubt this is a huge problem for both candidates. Huge problem for the DNC!

Although Wesley Clark sounds good, he and Hillary together cannot beat McCain for military, CIC experience. If people are voting primarily for a strong CIC, they will vote for McCain.

We need to start looking at the big picture.

It not just Clark.

From Hillary's website

"More than thirty former admirals and generals, including two former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and five retired officers at the four-star rank have endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next Commander-in-Chief. Eighteen of these esteemed flag and general officers and other senior national security officials took part in a rare conference call with reporters earlier this month; eleven met in person with Senator Clinton last week in Washington for a private conversation about ending the war in Iraq and winning the war in Afghanistan; and to testify publicly for her leadership ability. In these testimonials below, these great Americans who have given so much to our country, say why they believe Senator Clinton is the best candidate of either party to be our next Commander-in-Chief. "

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6500

She has all the retired Military big wigs supporting her.:thumbsup2 The current Military people are not allowed to support anybody!
 
Of course, they'll turn on her. That was never in doubt.

Exactly. And what are they gonna pull out that isn't old news? Hillary has been as vetted as she could possibly be.

I know a lot of people subscribe to the whole "the Clintons are criminals or just corrupt at best". But she was never charged or convicted of anything. Bill got busted for being a stupid man and lying about his cheating - but not anything else. And I just have to wonder - either the Clintons are the BEST criminal minds ever or Ken Starr and his whole team were totally inept and incapable. Which do you think it is?
 
Exactly. And what are they gonna pull out that isn't old news? Hillary has been as vetted as she could possibly be.

I know a lot of people subscribe to the whole "the Clintons are criminals or just corrupt at best". But she was never charged or convicted of anything. Bill got busted for being a stupid man and lying about his cheating - but not anything else. And I just have to wonder - either the Clintons are the BEST criminal minds ever or Ken Starr and his whole team were totally inept and incapable. Which do you think it is?



Well, it is true we all know Hillary's dirt. Some more dirt on McCain would be helpful. Truly he is the one who has beneffited the most from the media.

But, I'm sure the clip of Bill saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" will be making the rounds again.

Hillary should run on the same theme as Bill, "it's the economy stupid."
 
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