Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[MerryPoppins]

Again for our Obama lurkers....I really don't dislike the man. I'm intending to vote for him in November if he gets the nod. So I'm not attacking. I'm just concerned, okay? I get tired of feeling like I have to say things like this and they still fall on deaf ears.

He sounds like a very scary man and appears to be full and full of anger and hate. Not a healthy way to live, not to mention this is not a man I would seek spiritual guidance from! He seems to have a deep hatred for America and it sounds like he would be better off moving back to the "mother land" where he would feel more at home. My person opinion is that, yes, Christians should preach against social injustice but at the end of the day it is about Salvation, not health care.

I agree. I don't think church is the place for politics. Social injustice - yes. The rest of this belongs somewhere else. It's certainly not what Christianity as I know it is about.

You'll hear that Obama isn't responsible for what this man says and I agree.

Right, but this is his mentor and the man he turns to for spiritual guidance. I'd align myself with a spiritual leader who was less strident and vocal of his views since they're a little "out there" if I planned to run for president. If my priest said some of the things he has said , I certainly wouldn't ask him for spiritual advice or call him my mentor. I'd be looking for another church. Don't think for a minute that the Republicans aren't taking notes for future reference. We'll be hearing more about this if he gets the nomination.

 

["Got Disney"]

Again for our Obama lurkers....I really don't dislike the man. I'm intending to vote for him in November if he gets the nod. So I'm not attacking. I'm just concerned, okay? I get tired of feeling like I have to say things like this and they still fall on deaf ears.



I agree. I don't think church is the place for politics. Social injustice - yes. The rest of this belongs somewhere else. It's certainly not what Christianity as I know it is about.



Right, but this is his mentor and the man he turns to for spiritual guidance. I'd align myself with a spiritual leader who was less strident and vocal of his views since they're a little "out there" if I planned to run for president. If my priest said some of the things he has said , I certainly wouldn't ask him for spiritual advice or call him my mentor. I'd be looking for another church. Don't think for a minute that the Republicans aren't taking notes for future reference. We'll be hearing more about this if he gets the nomination.

I agree and even though I dont think that Obama is racist it does seem odd that a man like Obama would asociate himself with a rev like that
If I went to a church where my preacher was doing that I would not go back ....

I posted on a new thread that was full of Obama supporters tonight and spoke my mind for the first time in a long time...it is the thread on Keith Ob. and that he in there words blew out Hillary and they hope she listened to what this great man had to say and leave before it is to late

I let them know that for a man that is for uniting the people he is not doing a great job of it is he...

 

[DISUNC]

Interesting article about BO and his memoirs.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/how_does_obama_feel_about_amer.html

"Barack Obama's words are often attractive but oddly concealing. His speeches are all balm and mood. It's all very well to seek, as Obama claims, to transcend old categories, to reject the "old politics." But then what? This graceful rhetorician leaves you wondering: Who is he really? What does he want for himself and for his country?.....
One suspects that beneath the soothing talk, there is bitterness in the man that we'd best learn more about before voting. "

...and more

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4430817

Time on Her Side: Obama Maintains Lead, but Clinton Might Have the Edge


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/849oyckg.asp

"...In his short time in the Senate, Obama has voted against a half-dozen federal appellate-court nominees. Most tellingly, he was the first senator to join in the left's mendacious attack in 2007 on Fifth Circuit nominee Leslie Southwick--an attack that managed to drag the judicial-confirmation process to a new low....

...Nevertheless, when left-wing activist groups launched their attack on Southwick, Obama jumped right in. Relying on gross misrepresentations of Southwick's record, Obama recklessly alleged that Southwick "has shown hostility towards civil rights and a disregard for equal rights for minorities, women, gays and lesbians" and that his nomination even "threaten[ed] the very basis of our freedom and democracy." Fortunately, some Democratic senators--most prominently, Judiciary Committee member Dianne Feinstein--had the courage to stand up against these lies from Obama and others, and Southwick was ultimately confirmed....

....Obama often cloaks such extreme positions in sweet-sounding rhetoric....

....In the end, an examination of Obama's record and rhetoric discloses the stuff he is made of--his own constitution. Beneath the congeniality and charisma lies a leftist partisan who will readily resort to sly deceptions to advance his agenda of liberal judicial activism"

 

["Got Disney"]

Interesting article about BO and his memoirs.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/how_does_obama_feel_about_amer.html

"Barack Obama's words are often attractive but oddly concealing. His speeches are all balm and mood. It's all very well to seek, as Obama claims, to transcend old categories, to reject the "old politics." But then what? This graceful rhetorician leaves you wondering: Who is he really? What does he want for himself and for his country?.....
One suspects that beneath the soothing talk, there is bitterness in the man that we'd best learn more about before voting. "

...and more

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4430817

Time on Her Side: Obama Maintains Lead, but Clinton Might Have the Edge


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/849oyckg.asp

"...In his short time in the Senate, Obama has voted against a half-dozen federal appellate-court nominees. Most tellingly, he was the first senator to join in the left's mendacious attack in 2007 on Fifth Circuit nominee Leslie Southwick--an attack that managed to drag the judicial-confirmation process to a new low....

...Nevertheless, when left-wing activist groups launched their attack on Southwick, Obama jumped right in. Relying on gross misrepresentations of Southwick's record, Obama recklessly alleged that Southwick "has shown hostility towards civil rights and a disregard for equal rights for minorities, women, gays and lesbians" and that his nomination even "threaten[ed] the very basis of our freedom and democracy." Fortunately, some Democratic senators--most prominently, Judiciary Committee member Dianne Feinstein--had the courage to stand up against these lies from Obama and others, and Southwick was ultimately confirmed....

....Obama often cloaks such extreme positions in sweet-sounding rhetoric....

....In the end, an examination of Obama's record and rhetoric discloses the stuff he is made of--his own constitution. Beneath the congeniality and charisma lies a leftist partisan who will readily resort to sly deceptions to advance his agenda of liberal judicial activism"

Morning everyone
There is a lot about him I am sure that we don't know. The problem is that Hillary and McCain cant bring it all out because it will be viewed as negative campaigning, or racist. That is where the media is failing to do there job..

The media is suppose to dig up stuff and research it and find the facts from fiction and sort it out and put it out in press or news...but they are not doing that...they are just hearing stories and than running with them to be the first to break the news, and adding most of the article or news cast to opinion and not facts.

The only one out there that I know of that is trying to dig stuff up is Hannity and that is not saying to much because he adds a lot of spin on things also and he is a Republican. So whats a reader to do...

At least with Hillary we know what we are getting and know who she is....same with McCain. Most of there skeletons have been shown. As for her not bringing out her taxes report I think she is doing that purposely because she does not have to bring them out till taxes are due and that they are working on them...

I am glad Obama is starting to stop with all the speeches the way he had been and is starting to talk normally about what is up. When he has his speeches all I here is BLAH BLAH BLAH because I don't need to be inspired about change I want to here about it and here how it will be brought about.

Call it being my age and been there done that with other politicians talking "I will do this and I will do that with a great speech...does nothing for me anymore.

however if it was MLK there giving a great speech like that I would listen because I remember him when i was 10 years old and my mom just loved him and we watched him all the time on TV....know that was a great man

You can hear it when you are reading or watching all the opinion thrown in

 

[MerryPoppins]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23776231]...however if it was MLK there giving a great speech like that I would listen because I remember him when i was 10 years old and my mom just loved him and we watched him all the time on TV....know that was a great man
[/QUOTE]

To me the difference is that MLK was a minister. He wasn't running for president. He was fighting against social injustice, but not running for office. I expect that kind of speech from a minister, but not from a candidate...or at least not all the time. Just my personal preference, I guess.

 

["Got Disney"]

To me the difference is that MLK was a minister. He wasn't running for president. He was fighting against social injustice, but not running for office. I expect that kind of speech from a minister, but not from a candidate...or at least not all the time. Just my personal preference, I guess.

I agree 100% and the preachy stuff that obama was doing was annoying me. I felt like I should jump up and scream Hallelujah...or AMEN....and when he started comparing himself in ways to Martin Luther king...that turned me off more because MLK he is not...

I cant figure out why the Hillary voters have not caught the Obama bug....maybe it is because more of the Hillary supporters are older that 28 years old and like me that have been around for many a election and have heard his kind of promises before and there are sooooo many that it all seems like a ploy just to get elected as so many in the past have done and than they get in and do nothing....

I will vote for him and for the first 4 years he will be learning and doing and asking questions and being molded by the ones that want to be in his shoes ( Kennedy and Kerry) and making mistakes as he has said he will do..but that's okay because if Hillary were to say she was going to be making mistakes that would not be acceptable because she is held on a higher standard.

The problem with all this is we are not in a situation for on the job training....that is what worries me. As VP he would be great because he can get on the job training and come back even a stronger candidate than on just hope and change......

 

[Dolce27]

Perhaps this means that the Obama supporters are true Democrats and realize how bad McCain would be for the country.

There is an article saying that some Republicans are voting for Clinton because they think she will be easier to beat. That could explain why they are saying they will vote for McCain.

If that's the case... the wrong message came to Texas for when we had our election. I've been speaking with many Republicans here (easy thing to do in this state) and I was told that it was Obama that they were all told to vote for - they all believe that he'll be easy prey once they get ahold of him for the general election. Hound also stated that he stood in line for early voting with some Republicans who were there to vote for Obama.

 

["Got Disney"]

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[punkin]

To me the difference is that MLK was a minister. He wasn't running for president. He was fighting against social injustice, but not running for office. I expect that kind of speech from a minister, but not from a candidate...or at least not all the time. Just my personal preference, I guess.

Yes, that's it precisely. That's something that's been bothering me but I never put it into words.

 

[JARNJ3]

To me the difference is that MLK was a minister. He wasn't running for president. He was fighting against social injustice, but not running for office. I expect that kind of speech from a minister, but not from a candidate...or at least not all the time. Just my personal preference, I guess.

I feel the same way too. Perhaps that is my aversion also.

 

[MerryPoppins]

It seems all hell is breaking loose in regard to Obama and his mentor/spiritual advisor. I've been seeing things about this for weeks, but hesitated to post anything. I don't like to give more reason for his followers to say we're bashing him. But now that it's out there, it scares me a little. This is going to be a huge issue for the Republicans to use against him.

I don't care how much he says he doesn't agree with these views, he chooses to attend the church and has remained for 20 years and he calls him his advisor and spiritual leader. I would not stick around if the minister's views differed that much from my own. And I certainly wouldn't ask him to direct my "moral compass".

I also find the talk about "whites" to be very racist and the whole congregation seemed to be cheering him on. How sad. I'd much rather have heard that Obama attended a church that wanted to bring people together rather than tear people down. Where was the unity and love? I don't know. Scary stuff and I hate to say that.

 

[DISUNC]

It seems all hell is breaking loose in regard to Obama and his mentor/spiritual advisor. I've been seeing things about this for weeks, but hesitated to post anything. I don't like to give more reason for his followers to say we're bashing him. But now that it's out there, it scares me a little. This is going to be a huge issue for the Republicans to use against him. .

It really is like walking on eggshells!

 

[punkin]

I don't care how much he says he doesn't agree with these views, he chooses to attend the church and has remained for 20 years and he calls him his advisor and spiritual leader. I would not stick around if the minister's views differed that much from my own. And I certainly wouldn't ask him to direct my "moral compass".

Makes you wonder what Obama's true "moral compass" is, doesn't it?

 

[Fitswimmer]

With all this talk about churches and pastors I thought I'd ask you guys-Where does Hillary go to church-or does she? I never researched it, but I thought maybe someone here might have.

Religion of candidates is a non-issue for me, but I'll admit to being curious since it's such a big deal to everyone else. If there was a McCain supporters thread-I'd ask them too, but interestingly enough-there is no McCain supporters thread on the DIS.

 

[punkin]

With all this talk about churches and pastors I thought I'd ask you guys-Where does Hillary go to church-or does she? I never researched it, but I thought maybe someone here might have.

Religion of candidates is a non-issue for me, but I'll admit to being curious since it's such a big deal to everyone else. If there was a McCain supporters thread-I'd ask them too, but interestingly enough-there is no McCain supporters thread on the DIS.

Religion is also a non-issue for me. The thing with Obama's pastor that is different is that Obama is the one who considers him his "moral compass" and that makes him important.

If Hillary did not make her religion an issue, I am perfectly OK with that; if Obama said he was atheist, I am perfectly OK with that too. However, if anyone says "Jerry Falwell is my moral compass" I get worried.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Religion is also a non-issue for me. The thing with Obama's pastor that is different is that Obama is the one who considers him his "moral compass" and that makes him important.

If Hillary did not make her religion an issue, I am perfectly OK with that; if Obama said he was atheist, I am perfectly OK with that too. However, if anyone says "Jerry Falwell is my moral compass" I get worried.

Fair enough-but if it's important who a candidate's moral compass is-then shouldn't Hillary be telling us that?

 

[MassJester]

Fair enough-but if it's important who a candidate's moral compass is-then shouldn't Hillary be telling us that?

I go to a church where the pastor is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and in favor of the US staying in Iraq. Those don't (even come close) to representing my positions, and yet his positions on those issues have no impact on why I go to that Church.

Truth be told, I have little interest in the political point of view of my priest.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I go to a church where the pastor is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and in favor of the US staying in Iraq. Those don't (even come close) to representing my positions, and yet his positions on those issues have no impact on why I go to that Church.

Truth be told, I have little interest in the political point of view of my priest.

Me too, and I really don't care either. The only reason I'm asking is because all the fuss over Obama is making me wonder who her moral compass is. It's not a make or break voting thing-I'll still vote for whichever one gets the nomination-I'm just curious.

 

[disney4us2002]

I go to a church where the pastor is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and in favor of the US staying in Iraq. Those don't (even come close) to representing my positions, and yet his positions on those issues have no impact on why I go to that Church.

Truth be told, I have little interest in the political point of view of my priest.

May I ask why? Of course, it's none of my business but I am curious as to why you would go week after week if your priest speaks about his/her beliefs about such topics as you mentioned. Apparently, he/she must've discussed it as some point if you know his/her personal opinions. I don't know the many denominations there are but since you specifically state priest, I'm going to guess Catholic or Episcopal. If correct, there are many other churches you could attend with a different priest who may have different beliefs or at the least chooses not to bring them to the pulpit, so I'm curious as to why you'd continue going to hear a message you vehemently disagree with?

(Sorry to the Hillary supporters for butting in with this off-topic post. I had two windows open and thought I was reading the "Obama's preacher" thread when I posted.)

 

[MassJester]

May I ask why? Of course, it's none of my business but I am curious as to why you would go week after week if your priest speaks about his/her beliefs about such topics as you mentioned. Apparently, he/she must've discussed it as some point if you know his/her personal opinions. I don't know the many denominations there are but since you specifically state priest, I'm going to guess Catholic or Episcopal. If correct, there are many other churches you could attend with a different priest who may have different beliefs or at the least chooses not to bring them to the pulpit, so I'm curious as to why you'd continue going to hear a message you vehemently disagree with?

Fair question.

I am Catholic, and many (if not most) priests hold similar political points of views on these topics. I don't go for their point of view, I go to receive the sacraments. Their political points of view are as uninteresting to me as their taste in TV shows, and thoughts about baseball.